Kurbaan tere Naam noo

VAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA VAHEGURU JI KI FATEH!! First of all there were two seperate programs on the day-Biras Kirtan Darbar (5-10pm) and a Rehansbhai Kirtan in memory of Sant Baba Harbans Singh Ji Damelli Wale(10pm til late). The Gurdwara had informed the organisers that they wanted to do a rehansbhai on the same day and were willing to compromise with the Singhs. So the organisers decided that both Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj and Dasam Granth Maharaj will have prakash done and then the Dasam Granth Saroop will be put to Sachkhand after the Biras program finished. The rehansbhai had nothing to do with the organisers! For those who came to the start, a hukamnama was taken first from Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji (Dhanasari Mahalla 5: Ja Ko Har Rang Lago Is Jug Mein) and then Sri Dasam Granth Ji (Shastar Naam Malaa). After that kirtan, katha had commenced. Once the Biras Kirtan Darbar finished, Singhs got Hukam from Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji to begin the Rehansbhai Kirtan and that Sri Dasam Granth be taken to Sachkhand. Both Saroops were given the equal amount of pyar and satkaar, theres no doubt about that. For those idiots who have made ridiculous accusations need to have been there for the whole program before passing judgement. For the Chardikalla Singhs, who were dressed in Bana, blue Dhumalleh, shastardhari were simply representing the Akaal Roop that Dhan Guru Gobind Singh Ji gave the Khalsa. There was no-one showing off, just because Singhs were showing one another their Shastar doesn't mean they were trying to be superior. They had the same respect for Maharaj and their Bana (Khalsa Roop). The Program was a HUGE success and all jatheh represented, to show that there was no differences between us Sikhs. For the Singhs who were "chatting in the langar hall", they were eating langar and many were meeting one another with pyar because many chardikalla Gursikhs came from London and Glasgow. For those who wanted to make a fuss about it, why didn't they say something there and then??? People are deliberately trying to put others seva down and split the panth up, which is not what the Guru has taught us. Rather we should be in Ekta and have pyar for Baani and Baana! As GurSikhs say: Singh Singh te vaar na kareh! Personally i believe that the attack is on the stereotype that it was a "Nihang Bash", as people against the program have been calling it. Also perhaps the maryada for the program followed was Buddha Dal/Tarna Dal (Prakash; Aarti Aarta; Ardas; Jakareh). There will be more of these programs, but with the blessings of Dhan Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj, everything went well and i pray that all Gursikhs will put their differences aside and stop doing nindiya of one another and for the seva that is done.

Yes 'Kookar' means dog in terms of Gurbaani, but also the word 'swaan' is used, which refers to a dog too. Commonly used by Guru Arjun Dev Ji! Hope that helps!

Yeh from what i know of, i think that they do the full Anand Sahib within Rehras and before the Ardas! Hmmm...interesting!

But there is no actual evidence or rehatnama, which states that we should read 6 pauris of the Anand Sahib. In America, the white sikhs actually recite the whole of the Anand Sahib, as they were directed by Harbhajan Singh Yogi to do so...wel that's what i've been told. I just think Sikhs have shortened the baani either because of time or that they can't be bothered to do the full version.

I was listening to the Chardikalla Jatha's kirtan program and they came out with this really good point about Anand Sahib...why do we read 1-5 pauris and then jump to the 40th pauri? I don't see a short version of the Anand Sahib within Guru Granth Sahib Ji, does that mean we should actually read the full baani within Rehras Sahib? What are your views on this topic?

Hey guys thanx for all the replies, i didn't know every1 had so much to share... i just remembered one fing...there was this girl that used to go 2 skool wid me n she used to call herself a Hindu..one day she called me ova n sed she had 2 tel me summit. She revealed she really was a Nirankari and they have 2 tel ppl there Hindus...they worship dat guy, his mom and daughter!! However i fink dat they bribe the sangat wid materialistic fings cuz she went 2 india n sed that the baba ji gave everyone gold rings... where did they get the money froim i wonder????

thanx for info man!! Does that mean the guys a twat or what?

Has anyone watched this Singh on Aastha Channel 828 on Sky at bout 8:20pm? His name is summit like Tarlochan Das Ji. He wears all white and a tilak on his forehead. I asked my marsi n she sed he's probably a Nirankari. I don't fink he is cuz he refers to Guru Granth Sahib Ji as Guru. Maybe he's a radhaswami or namdhari...i dunno u guys watch it and see wot u fink. The things i've noticed is that he makes reference to Gurbaani and his vichaar s are really interesting and very Gurmat orientated. He doesn't say fateh 2 d sangat, instead says 'Nanak Naam Chardi Kalla...' has ne1 watched it yet? O yeh the place where it comes from is called summit like Sachkhand Nanak Dham

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh Happy Gurpurab to everyone at Sikh Sangat!!!

Yeh i'm 100% sure that there is a saroop at Ik Nivas, but a couple of years ago sedgley st Gurdwara took Guru Ji out of there cuz they had statues of Hindu gods surrounding Guru Ji and hindu worship was done towards guru ji!! u guys talk about Ik Niwas, you should c the other Gurdwara on the same street: 'Guru ravidass Temple'. Its all gud and they do consider Guru Ji as their Guru but also Bhagat Ravidass as Guru hence the name of the Gurdwrara, but when they do aarti its like watching aarti in a form of Hindu worship...they blow conch shells, ring bells, wave a thali around Guru Ji which is basically set on fire!! And they do 3 jaikare: one of them is Bole So Nihal: Guru Ravidass Maharaj Ki Jai?

Fateh Ji. There are 2 baani's i've come across about guidance in one's education, but only can remember 1. It's Asa mehalla 1 chaupde: 'Vidiya Vichaari tah purupkari'... you'll have to get the rest from sikhi2themax or hopefully sum1 posts the shabad...Hope this helps.

There's a sakhi about Guru Nanak Dev Ji going 2 the mandir and the hindus asked guru Ji 2 carry out the Aarti. Guru Ji sed that all this rituals that Hindus do are unnecessary and that God's nature itself is doing Aarti...hence why in the beginning of Aarti and it comes in Kirtan Sohila where Guru Ji comments on this. (Raag Dhanasari Mehala: Gagan meh taal rav...) Can some one find this and the translations plz for those who don't no bout wot Guru Ji sez bout Aarti plz!!

what's wrong with holding hands?? It's all gud, although if they have sweaty hands then mayb i wouldn't recommend it!! Have a luk at this pic of amritdhari couple holding hands and hugging. Pic 1: http://www.mrsikhnet.com/hello/1328287/700...26-18.42.39.jpg Pic 2: http://www.mrsikhnet.com/hello/1328287/700...26-18.43.05.jpg

Here's an ideal amritdhari wedding picture...its all simple..u can still luk gud without all the accessories...look at this bride!! http://www.mrsikhnet.com/hello/1328287/700...26-18.42.39.jpg

i still can't find anyone to help me tie my dastar - i'm sure shocked! The biggest teacher for me has been the internet... sad, just sad... Don't worry man, its all gud...maharaj will have kirpa on u one day and you'll cum with this massive dumalla!!! I was quite fortunate cuz i've been shown how to wear a dastar but i forgot and just worked it out myself... one tip on how i kinda learned how to tie my dumalla was examing pics on the net and looking at how each turn is made from the laar...it's turned out perfectly fine. i've bin in contact with some Gore Sikhs and they are going to teach the sangat on how to tie different styles so u can pic n choose!! It's coming very soon on Sikhnet.com Hope this helps!! Fateh

If you guys have got Sky Digital, there's this channel called Aastha, channel 828. Really its a Hindu channel cuz its all about the worshipping of Hindu god's and goddesses but everyday at about 1:30pm-3pm Rehraas Sahib comes live from Sri Hazoor Sahib. After Rehraas Sahib is done, aarti commences. This Singh comes out with this taali, basically set on fire and gives it to this Singh who does seva for Guru Gobind Singh's shastar...he waves the flame around the shastar and a picture of Guru Gobind Singh five times. During the Aarti, the part where it comes to 'Gopal tera Aarta' the other Singh waves the taali around Guru Granth Sahib Ji 5 times. Is this really necessary and seems totally Hindufied!!! O yeh not to mention bells are also rung during the Aarti. Wot u guys fing about it...watch it if u haven't.

Regarding wats inside mecca, i read that once the kazzi and mullas had asked questions and were happy with the answers given they accepted Guru ji as a man of God/Peer. Regarding the questions the Kazzi and mullas asked Guru Ji who was greater, a Hindu or Muslim and would find a place in God's Court. Guru Ji's reply was: 'Baba Ake Hajjia Shub amla bajo donor roe' and also Guru Ji sed 'Hindu Musalmaan doveh, Andar Durge lehn na toeh', which translates: 'Hey Hajji ppl without good deeds both Hindu and Muslim ppl will cry and will not find a place in waheguru's Kingdom' The Kazzi's were so pleased with this answer that they accepted Guru Ji as a Pir!! :doh: <_< Dhan Guru Nanak Tuhi Nirankar!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeh it was hardwar.... it is a tradtion in Hinduism that if you throw water towards the sun, especially towrds the east i think or is it the west? Newayz apparently the water reachers your ancestors. Guru Nanak found this funi and decided 2 throw it the opposite end. the brahmins were angry and sed 2 Guru Ji that he is insulting their tradition and should be throwing the water in direction of the sun. Guru Nanak sed his crops are probably dryin and need sum water just as ur ancestors need their water.... Guru Ji's teaching was that we can't cause anything to happen like throwing water to the dead as it's all in Waheguru Hukam what happens!!!!!!!

Is it also true, that in the centre of mecca there is a black box which contain His sandals? I ain't heard that b4 but heard that there's an inscription on a pillar that says 'Baba Nanak' ???? :doh: <_< Also i've heard that inside that Black Box...my brother thought it was a speaker that muslims walk around by the way:LOLz: and that inside it are hundereds of statues of Hindu Gods and Goddesses hidden???? In Particular Shiva has salot of connections wid this ...because He has many links to Islam....The black stone apparantly once belonged to Shiva because i've been told 'God' came out of it...Lol that theory so stinks but its probably y Hindus worship idols!!! It was taken by the muslims and the cresent that's on Shiva's head is taken from him too. When Muslims do Hajj the men have to shave their heads and walk round the Kabaa 7 times again another thing taken from Shiva.

the singh in the 3rd pic... i love his dastar/dhumalla.... looks wekked..!!! Totally agree wid ya....looks amazing....i fink i'll have tie one exactly the same

I got this email and thought i share it wid all u guys...enjoy!!! >• Jedi’s don’t believe in Material Attachment (Moh), Greed (Lobh), Lust >(Kaam), Krodh (Anger), (Hankaar)Egotism or false pride. Jedi’s believe in >control of these basic carnal emotions and so do Sikhs. >• Always are armed with their lightsaber (Sikhs with their Kirpan), and >never parted. >• Sikh’s believe in a code of conduct and a code of dress, as do the >Jedi’s; >• Sikh’s believe in protecting the weak and poor and always standing up for >Justice. So do the Jedi’s; >• Jedi’s have women warrior’s , who are equals of men. So do Sikhs (Mai >Bhago etc) >• Sikh’s have a Council of the wise. Sikhs have a “Panchayat” and the Panj >Pyarey >• Sikh’s concept of God is formless, and is around us and within us. The >idea of the “Force” is essentially the same. may the force be with u! :TH:

Fateh Ji!!! Go 2 ektaone.com and you shud c a section where demonstrations are shown on how different types of dastara are tied, the dumalla is also shown but that one seems slightly confusing....i've seen easier ones but they are not shown on the website. :TH:

My cousins all fink i dye my dhari...i don't by the way!!! i have very multi coloured dhari...its black, brown, ginger and one or 2 blonde hairs in the moustashe.... lol...... no 1 els in the family has coloured hair like this but its all gud!!!!

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh!!!!!!!!!1 My mama ji is the pardaan in Oxford and he sorted all this out.....plz don't make judgements if you dnt no the full situation.......the Oxford sangat have to use a community hall on Sundays and have only 2 hours to do sukhmani sahib d paath cuz a granthi outside of oxford has 2 cum down just 2 read baani 4rm Guru Ji!! The fact is there is no Gurdwara. Yes the couple were going to have Guru Granth Sahib Ji in the hall but my mama had told them 2 show sum respect and have it in the community hall....its reli dinghy and small...bin there not very nice!!! There's bin attempts to buy buildings in Oxford but the council sed that it can't b used as a religious place cuz of the noise pollution....Southall Gurdwara were asked 4 there support n they sed we got other projects of our own....we need to help the sangat of Oxford and try n raise money 4 them 2 have a place of worship insted of gettin granthi's 4rm another Gurdwara 2 cum down every week!!!! The sangat have to keep using different places just to do paath, so wot r ppl supposed 2 do...the sangat r <Edited> off with other sikh communities cuz no 1 helps them 2 get a gurdwara and the sangat keeps gettin shorter n shorter!!!!!! By the way the couple that were gettin married were both police officers!!! Bhul chuk Maaf!!!!

:doh: :doh: :doh: WOW!! That story's wicked and so powerful!!! Good one Singh!!!