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why did she get shot?

agree with the above. its our offering to the Eternal Guru Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. it is also used to build wedding halls and clubs where meat and alcohol can be served openly. sorry to put a negative stance in this. but it is the reality. the money is used mostly for manmat purposes. not for the right reasons. the money should go to help our children, the poor and elderly. instead we build party halls. we dont use the money to tackle real issues such as extremist groups targetting our girls, or fake cults set up to dilute the Sikh way of life. we dont use the money to educate our kids. sorry if i spoke out of turn.

Well done to all those who helped. Again an example of a Gurdwara involved in beadbi. Shows how much respect they have.

I agree it is really good to see people pointing out beadbis that take place. Rina people like you need to approach your local Gurdwara and complain if you know of a beadbi. If you know of any beadbis with information please let the sangat know. One request please dont refer to Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji as a 'book.'

Glad someone metionned Guru Ji in all this. Main thing is Guru Maharaj Jis saroop were safe. We do need to encourage our Gurdwaras to have some security. We will get hated more in this country now. BNP vote is growing.

Our culture also dictates that we kill baby girls: should we start bringing them to the nagar kirtan and carrying out this inhumane act? Our culture dictates we drink alcohol: should we start drinking it at nagar kirtans? Our culture has the caste system inbred into it: should we have seperate nagar kirtans now? I could go on about our culture. I stopped being punjabi along time ago because the culture is sick. The nagar kirtan is led by our Guru. Our Guru tried to get rid of the above culture. So who should we listen to? Our Guru or some 'punjabi'?

Extreme? Does someone having more sharda for Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji make them extreme? I dont think so. There is a Hukamnama telling us not to take Maharaaj to such places. Is smoking banned at theatres? Is alcohol banned? I been there and it aint. Anyway, I cant remember any weddings for that note where the Gurdwara couldn't cater for the Sangat. Infact normally clsoe family come to the Gurdwara because the rest are only there for a party, alcohol, dancing etc etc. They may or may not travel to bless a couple. We the Khalsa have a duty to respect our Guru and we feel that it is disrespecting to take them to such a place. Sorry if that is offensive to anyone.

Good to see people around the world waking up and realising the importance of our Guru. The Singhs did the right thing.

But then Sikhi is hard. Sikhi Khandeo Tikhi.

Reading some of the posts and comments is making me ashamed to be a Singh. I kinda wish it aint true, but i know it is. "Sons of Guru Gobind Singh" wow, just stop and think about that. That is what we are supposed to be. How far short we are falling (and this marriage thing aint the only thing we should be accused of).

Devastating news. Please could you let us know when the Sanskar will take place of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji's Saroop. Obviously as soon as you have it confirmed.

I came across this today. http://www.amuthefilm.com/ Anybody know more about this? Shonali Bose has done something Sikhs couldn't do. Its interesting how she still doesn't think its too late to bring these things up. Yet we have our parents and committees who dont want to talk about these things. Shonali Bose says: "widows silently moving their lips." Everyone do me a favour and just imagine it was your mother silently moving her lips....how does it make you feel?

I agree there are not many Gursikhs around in reality. As has been stated we are not all perfect. We are all learning and hopefully all doing our best to try become better Gursikhs and keep our rehats. The ideal Gursikh doesnt exist. Everybody has faults. Be careful of the bf/gf thing. Too many of us are taking the 'getting to know eachother thing' toooo far. Have faith in your Guru. Take a risk/chance. No need to get too close. Maybe its time to bring back arranged marriages in there true form!! Our parents have made it work. But maybe i am a pindu and backwards. Remember staying in Hukam is what goes with us, so face whatever comes your way. Life is not easy, and marriage is one of the challenges. Most of us have easy lives and live sheltered lives and struggle when challenged. Sorry i'll stop as going off topic now.

can see how you must have uncomfortable with the first scene, but i think i agree with you it is good awareness for sikhs. sometimes these are the only ways to show the world. its unfortunate that we havent been able to tell the world who we are. yet we will start criticising people who try.

i have to agree with penji. i as a guy obviously am close to alot of Singhs. talking from personal experience i have found singhs to be very picky. not all, i must add. but some of them are complete jokes. i always wonder why they dont look at the girls jeevan. some of the picky ones fortunately do turn girls down because of their jeevan. but sometimes we must forgive people for their past and look forward. what i can't get my head around is: How long do we think we are here for? some of us act as if we aint ever gonna die. what happend to living sikhi? why is marriage such a big deal? do we have no faith in Guru Ji? they will make it work, and if it doesnt work out then that was in our Guru's hukam too and we have to accept it. we act like marriage is the be all and end all. Why do we care what she/he looks like? we judge a book by its cover. we dont even look inside. what a joke we have become. what about the persons sikhi? Gursikhs have become choosy because they are not following Gurmat. Their manmat takes over. When i was younger i remember uncles and aunties telling my parents that i wont be able to get married because i have a dastaar and kes. i used to think I dont care if i get married or not, as long as my Guru is happy its all good. please remember that Guru Ji is looking after us. improve your jeevans and leave it to Guru Ji. i look around and see 'Gursikhs' becoming absolute jokes. we have no morals, no standards, and no principles. I have seen both boys and girls change after marriage. and change for the worst. some cut their kes. some lose their principles. why? they put their partner before Guru Ji.

where are all those people now who always go on about doing things in the 'right way'? where are your good 'right' ideas now? lets hear them. why the silence now? i am starting to think that we are only concerned about slagging the next person off when they actually do something. there is only 3-4 people actually giving ideas on this thread. they have good intentions but somewhere along the line they will make a mistake and everyone will say they did it in the wrong way. maybe try talk to other Gurdwaras locally and see if they can help. contact local media. do a petition. do parchaar at the Gurdwara in question about how it is wrong to have alcohol and meat in the Gurdwara funded building.

its good to see people doing the right thing. :TH:

What i find interesting is how 'RS' are so big in Punjab. How come they are not as big in any other state? Seems like a focus on Punjab.

Gurdwara committees need to understand that they are in place to serve our Guru and Sangat. They all seem to think they are incharge and have power over the Sangat, but this is not how it should be. It is time Sangat united and stood up to committees. Point out their errors and correct them. The committees should realise and understand their role. They are there mainly to do Sikhi parchaar. They are in place to respect and serve our Guru. They are not in place to open up party halls for the punjabi community. They are not in place to make life easier for the punjabi community at the expense of their Guru's Sadkaar.

This is brillaint....good to see.

Why do we need to spend time discussing this issue? Regardless of whether the picture is Guru Ji or not, it is not right to allow people to use the paintings in a disrespectful way. We must remember the paintings are good to show our kids something visual, obviously no one really believes that is what Guru Nanak Dev Ji looked like. We have Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji to worship, we don't need pictures. Any fool who gave the website abuse needs to think twice in future. It does not give a good example of a Sikh. Lets stop discussing silly issues. Be constuctive. It seems the site has taken the pictures off. So end of topic maybe?

I agree lets give the Americans organisations a chance to resolve situation. Maybe 2 days?

Just emailed them. Can we have some Americans take interest please.

Always remember death. Its getting closer. Bhagat Kabir Ji: Day by day, hour by hour, life runs its course, and the body withers away. Death, like a hunter, a butcher, is on the prowl; tell me, what can we do? || 1 || That day is rapidly approaching. Mother, father, siblings, children and spouse tell me, who belongs to whom? || 1 || Pause || As long as the light remains in the body, the beast does not understand himself. He acts in greed to maintain his life and status, and sees nothing with his eyes. || 2 || Says Kabeer, listen, O mortal: Renounce the doubts of your mind. Chant only the One Naam, the Name of the Lord, O mortal, and seek the Sanctuary of the One Lord. || 3 || 2 || Ang 692

It is a mark of respect. Guru Ji taught us to always be prepared. What if Guru Ji wanted to give you darshaan and your head was not covered?