kcmidlands

That's an interesting observation, a lot of us old folks (well, those who have children going through the education system) may remember going to school and having nothing but christian based assemblies with occasional "Asian" one thrown into the mix. I think that's a decision parents have to take individually, if they feel that a Sikh ethos school should only mean they teach Sikhi then they don't fully understand how the education system works, i think what they are looking for is a Sikh religious school. My kids go to a Sikh ethos school in the midlands (not Nishkam), they have and take part in Sikh assemblies and ones from other religions, the make up of that school is majority Sikh, I've never heard of a parent complaining about it. If by learning about another religion or taking part in an assembly somehow makes your belief in your religion less then that's something you need to work on, as i mentioned above, i grew up having to take part in Christian assemblies, my religion stayed resolute.

It could explain why we say "Maan neeva maat uchi" when doing ardaas.

I thin our conscious may go with us up until a certain point, the story i referenced earlier (that i can't find now), i remember the gentleman saying he slowly forgot about his earthly life as he entered a state of bliss and pure love. We also say "Aaatma" has left the body after someone passes, that would be your soul, maybe that carries some element of your consciousness with it. I've no idea what happens, there are a few like my Grandmother who got a peak behind the curtain, i think all we can do is be decent human beings and remember his name.

It's pretty difficult for a normal human being to comprehend that something like this might exist, you'll even get religious people who will brush it off even though the religion they believe in say's it's what happens. I'm not sure of I've spoken about this on this forum before (if i have i apologise for the repeat telling), my Grandmother passed away at the tale end of last year, she was 95 and had a decent life, all she would ever do is paath, all the time, my mum told me she had darshan of Guru Nanak Dev Ji when she was doing paath once but refused to speak about it because it shook her up. About two week's before she passed she wouldn't wake up, he breathing had slowed to almost nothing, we called the paramedics, they worked on her and managed to revive her (her kidneys were operating at about 5% at this point so we knew that if she made it past 2019 she's be lucky), she was out for about 2 hours in total, a few day's later i ring my mum to see how she is, she starts telling me that you Gran's been telling me something weird, i spoke to my Bibi, she said she had died and was being taken away (she didn't mention Jamdoots by name), all she heard was screaming and people being beaten to a point that she was scared, he words were "Oothe Kuth De Bahut ya", she said she was told "Tera hor kam rehnde ya hale" by someone and was sent back, it freaked me out no end, she was unfazed by the whole thing, my mum and dad took it in their stride as well (they are both deeply religious amritdhari's). She passed away 2 weeks later, same day, Friday, she had her entire family around her, i'm thinking that was what she meant when she said "tera hor kam rehnde ya", she hadn't seen my 2 chache for a while and this made them come down, she heard everyone's voices and passed away peacefully. 10 months on I've not fully grasped what she told me, she was an integral part of my life and taught me pretty much everything i know about being a good human being, she was a good person and i hope she found peace with the amount of faith she had.

I know it sounds simple but just find another job and leave (i say this without knowing you specific situation so if i'm off the mark let me know). Nothing good ever comes of wishing ill on someone else, i'll come back onto you, trust me, I've had it happen to me, it's taken me a long time to learn not to wish negativity onto others and doing a negative ardaas, listen, we do ardaas for the betterment of everyone, if your going to wish on someone while doing ardaas you've already let yourself down and learnt nothing from your Guru's.

There was a story (audio recording i think) like this someone posted a while ago about a gentleman from India who was sat outside his house asleep and was taken by Jamdoots by mistake, he spoke of the bliss he felt and the amount of love before he was sent back, i'd love to find that recording, can't remember any more than that.

I've had Sukhmani Sahib Playing 24/7 in my house for many years, i've found that if it's not playing at night (it's on a spare ipod which tend's to have a mind of it's own sometimes so it decides it doesn't like repeating tracks) i tend not too sleep that well, i'll get up and turn it back on and i'll sleep well again. Another point is we used to play a Sehaj Paat (my parent's bought back those mp3 players from India with it pre-loaded onto it), i would make a point of putting it on once a month over the course of a week, the amount of fighting, bickering and arguing that would happen in our house when it was on was unbelievable, i used ring my mum and tell her and she would say if you put something positive on the negative in the house will fight it, so the arguing and bickering was all the negative energy in the house being pushed out by manifesting itself though us when we fought and argued. In Nottingham (UK) there's a pub called Ye Olde Trip To Jerusalem, above it on a hill is Nottingham castle, there are tunnels that lead up to the castle from the pub (they were used as an escape route from the castle) you'll see orbs like this there, i've seem them once or twice when i worked in Nottingham and we would go there for lunch (not suggesting Amritdhari folk actively go to pubs for lunch), they do a ghost tour there, the guy who runs the tour describes them as "energy" which is a fair description for most of these things spoken about on this thread, some of it is positive energy and some of it negative, it just manifests itself in different ways.

The crossroads thing is prevalent in a lot of societies, people believed it represented the space between worlds so you could communicate with the other side there, a lot of it centres around summoning the devil or it's cultural equivalent or making offerings to get rid of whatever your problem is, the whole thing is fascinating when you start reading into it (if your into that kind of thing). I've been to wedding's and photographed weddings where people get up to all kinds of nonsense, the main one is maha di daal (again) being put into the girsl Chola (the cloth where people put money) at sagan time, because of this the girls sister or aunt would sit next to her to keep an eye on what people give, there was one wedding where a lady deliberatly did mata tekh in front of the bride and groom as they sat before maharaj even though the giyani told her no to. It's all very saddening to see what people will do to get rid of their problems, the elder generation knew more about these things because it was "excess" baggage they ought with them to the west, maybe in India they had meaning behind them, i know the story that is told about not sitting under a tree between 12pm and 2pm because that's when ghosts sit there, when you look into it a bit deeper the reality is in the villages in India they would tell children that to stop them sitting under tree's in the mid-day sun because that's when animals would be looking for food in tree's (especially monkey's).

I see this kind of stuff all the time where i live, Gujarati's have an obsession with this stuff, you go out early enough and you'll see them throwing limes tied up with chilli's on every crossroad they can find, not so nice later on in the day when you have to drive over them, coconuts with red string and various things tied to them thrown in the river all the time, it's great fun calling them out on it and they run away with their heads held in shame. Punjabi people are just as bad, at one of the Gurdawara's here people have been caught leaving Mongi di Daal at various place as well as kids shoes and all type of other paraphernalia, people aren't even afraid of the house of god. I have a simple philosophy when it come's to stuff like this, i don't mess with it, i was taught from a young age to do mool mantar every time i felt something was wrong, whether it's an actual thing or a psychological thing that happens based on suggestion i don't know.

Every time i used to ask my Bibi questions like this her go to answer was simple " We know there is wind, can you prove it exists", I used to say you can feel it when it blows, her answer was "Don't you fell Waheguru when you say his name". Those were simple answers that worked on a young child.

The Punjabi film industry is just as bad, in the 80's and 90's it was run by drug runners and gangsters needing to launder money (some film's are still financed this way), the "casting couch" has always existed, you don't have too look far on a google search to find the stories, there's certain actors who females actress's won't work with (go look up some of the stories about Binnu Dhillon). Neeru Bajawa started her career in Hindi soaps, she's spoken of being typecast and producers wanting "favours", she's started her own production company because of this so she has control but she's in a position to do that because of her background and being able to financially do that, there a loads of actress's that can't and they get taken advantage off, look at all the stuff that's being going around of a certain Punjabi music video producer taking advantage of the models he hires for video shoot.

Didn't they fail in the one area that was a basic requirement, safeguarding children, of course they'll deny it and pull the "but we're Sikh and so are you so you should believe us and not ofsted" guilt trip, what's important is the education and safety of the children, if you're not providing that then it doesn't matter what kind of school you are, you've failed. I've never understood the hate against Nishkam Trust, I've got plenty of friends who's children go to their schools and are really happy, they were put forward to take over a school in Coventry and there was loads of hate there as well, the idea that it is a non-Sikh trust is ridiculous, oh well, each to their own.

I'd love too see how this will play out considering his elder brother is a Chief Superintendent with the met police.

Completely agree with you, when i was in college a good friend of mine told me he was gay i had no issue with it, what i did take issue with was the way he decided to tell me, on a Friday he asked me what i was doing on Saturday, i had nothing planned so we met up in the city centre, we're say there having a coffee, up walk's this other guy, my mate get's up and gives him a hug and introduces him as his boyfriend, i said okay, cool, then he goes off with his boyfriend saying they had made plans leaving me sat there, i met up with him on the Monday back at college and ripped into him, he thought i had "issues" with him coming out as gay, i didn't, i had issues with him wasting my Saturday morning to tell me something he could have just told me at college or over the phone. I think it's probably an issue with acceptance, people feel the bigger song and dance they make about it the more people will be forced into accepting their lifestyle.

I've said it on another thread on these forums, Twitter, specifically "Brown Twitter" is something you should avoid at all costs unless you want to destroy your remaining brain cells. That post about the "Lesbian Sikh" is pretty mild compared to some of the stuff I've seen, there's no limit to the amount of stuff people will post just for some re-tweets, i really do feel sorry for that generation.

What she wore to me is irreverent, this stuff happened back in the day when girls were covered from head to toe, i just find it ridiculous that it's a family matter, deal with it internally, there are families out there with genuine cases where there children have gone missing and are knocking on doors begging for help, these lot had people like Diljit Dosanjh putting their daughters picture up in Instagram asking for help, they took it to new levels. Anyway, it's all done now, whatever the reason, i understand they want privacy but you know what our people are like, they'll want something in return for helping out, even if all they did was re-tweet a message, you know what us pendu's are like..... Also, Sikh Youth would get involved if your cat went missing, Deepa needs all the positive PR he can get after his sister and him got caught fiddling the books.

There's no point, anyone with half a brain can see it's probably a family problem, this stuff happens all the time, you have to wounder how many stories her family are going to have to make up to cover for this.

A friend of mine on Instagram went on a rant about this today, but yeah, probably best to just be quite about it, glad she's safe whatever the circumstances were.

We need to look at the bigger picture here, the idea that there are hundreds of not thousands of Sikhs willing to convert to Islam is what people like this want you to believe, the actual truth is probably the opposite, they are 2 bit operations who are trying to make a name for themselves by claiming they have converted people from other faiths. If you scroll through the comment's on that video there's a part where they guy who's meant to have converted comments it's pretty apparent that it's fake, he claims to be from the UK I've never heard someone from a Sikh background speak Punjabi Urdu the way he does. I'm not saying this kind of stuff doesn't happen but you can't get triggered every time some loony overly religious <banned word filter activated> posts something. At the moment we should be more concerned with what Christian missionaries are doing in Punjab where they are targeting poor families by offering them basic amenities in return for them converting over to Christianity.

To be fair it is a pretty good disguise.

There is no evidence that the person was a Sikh in the first place, just because a YouTube channel with less than 2000 subscribers posts a video like this doesn't mean it's true, also, even if it is real, why get triggered by it, if the guy actually converted than maybe he wasn't really into Sikhi anyway, either way, it looks fake as hell to me.

That's probably a fight Mr Bittu isn't going to win, just sayin...

Yeah, i'm old enough to remember those things but not "LOL" old.... ?

I used to buy The Big Issue years back, it was a pretty good read and the the person selling it used to make about 70/80 % on it, now i think they buy for half the price they sell for so the money they make has gone down. On another note, the traffic light windscreen cleaners used to drive me nuts, i would take a 20 minute diversion when visiting my parents just to avoid them, that and they really didn't do a good job.

This bears some relevance to this topic, it's worth a listen, it's a Singh from back in the day (Shere Punjab era)