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People are not jumping over each other to get out of Surrey. Lots of migration within Surrey. The city is probably the fastest growing in the Vancouver region. South Surrey is nice, but it is not the only nice area in the city. If you want to move to Vancouver area, just be prepared for the expensive cost.

Bro, I discussed that in the sentences below what you quoted.

Is there more? Or a clearer version?

Yes, that's him. He himself ran from the battlefield, so spends his time badmouthing who didn't. I don't understand the agenda of Makhu, Sikhri, Udoke etc. These folks are actively involved in bringing the injustices of 80s 90s to the forefront. To the point they clearly have some love for Sikhs. Yes, I understand some who speak for Khalistan are paid, but they usually spend more time riling up folks, not engage in intellectual dialogue. Its possible these individuals are just misguided.

Up until late 80s, Punjab was not that violent indeed. Afterward, it was entirely different. You also have to consider UP has 100s of millions of people. As per the discussion of Khalistan, if it was given to us right now, it would crumble within a year. We are so far away from even discussing it as a reality. There are 0 logistics in place, and no one to organize these logistics even. As soon as someone did try to organize it, anyone who doesn't agree will label them a "RAW agunt." Khalistan, for now, needs to put on back burner, there needs to be ground work done, we need to build the leaders of tomorrow first. Do we really need a Khalistan that will become an "old boys club" essentially?

The only point I can think of is ethnicity. Kashmiris may be muslim, but they're also a different ethnic group from the countless other ethnic groups within Islam. They probably want their home land for their ethnic group.

Sure thing, we will be getting around to it eventually.

No, where can I find it?

Very true, I'd like to think some of the descriptions are outright exaggerated, or at least don't apply to every individual. Udoke, Makhu do tons for teaching Sikhs of our modern history, to associate them with Neki? I don't agree.

The issue with the organization/direction was "to many chiefs, not enough Indians." Although there were definitely a lot of rank and file kharkus, there were to many at the top vying for their way or the highway. Each leader giving different direction (vote or no vote, negotiate or not, khalistan or autonomy, samaj sudaar or no, I could go on). The organization they had, but for strategic reasons they decided to operate cells independently, which led to some going astray, or were not on the right path from the start. Singh makes very good points for shaheed parivaars. We are lucky we have a few organizations like Ensaaf and YourSeva who do help those families. We should all donate.

I have been looking for Vangaar, Sikh Shahadat, Fatehnama etc myself. Sikh Shahadat does have a lot of archived ones. Fatehnama you can contact them from Facebook etc. Send me a DM, if I get further updates, I will let you know. In my family, we have dozens of old magazines, I will try to get them online one day.

Shut up man, you have zero anakh, as it is. This is disgusting though. They all deserve a bullet. Fudu sullay

Are you not the same Ajeet from Delhi or something who used to complain that his coworkers bullied him?

Really lol? Like India doesn't have their fare share of morons? Till day they burn Ravan, believe 8 legged gods, and kill people over gau raksha. I dont understand why some Sikhs chose one over the other, both nations are trouble.

Pakistans different regions also have their own spoken languages however, sindhi etc. People of those provinces do attach to their regional identity, which has also led to the militant movements there. That's a whole different issue though. I will admit they are losing Punjabi language. But, the anthem is not in Persian. Urdu as a language is quite hybrid, hence the similarities. Amritsar came to be a few centuries ago. Western Punjab had most of the early day settlements. If anything, Punjabi was from modern day Pakistan. I'm trying to say dividing their history is ludicrous. Their histories are very much tied in together. Their histories being tied, the border not having existed before the creation of Urdu makes it silly to say Urdu is foreign. It existed there for centuries prior. Areas such as Sind have their own legendary historical figures as well. Indians having pride in their region isn't quite Indian pride then, especially in you consider the conflicts it has created. In the end, yes Pakistan does have many issues. But, so does your India. Especially as they modernize, turn to English and Western culture.

Well Pakistani economy is growing as well...not as fast as India's, but its made significant progress. Long way to go (for both nations), however.

India has no one identity, culture, language either. Many outright refusing to speak Hindi etc. Sectarian movements are ongoing in both nations. Culture in India also has foreign influences. Both these nations share histories anyway, their history is one, until 1947. Pakistan is cozying up to the Saudis. India was on their knees for the Russians, now they idolize Trump. Giving Trump one giant ****job last year. As per the Urdu being foreign to Pakistan. We can be sure Punjabi likely developed in Modern day Pakistan, so is Punjabi not our language now?

Besides economic, what progress is India making? Especially in relation to Sikhs.

I don't quite agree (nor do I agree with Islam), as other nations have shown they have found ways to progress even with Islamic roots.

Never is a strong word. I see no reason why they can't be upto par with India, especially considering they have made economic progress. Of course they're still significantly further behind. Many of your points can apply just as easily to India, by the way.

Pakistan doesn't want full fledged war, either. They showed that last year. Imran Khan is trying to make progress, not go to war. All 3 nations have to keep face amongst their citizens, all it comes down to really.

That is asking for a whole lot of trouble. We already see tons of young p.c SJW leftists idiots who do as they please (usually actions against Sikhi) and claim to be Sikh. They usually counter with Sikhi is all about ones own connection with God, nothing else matters, blah blah blah. If we start encouraging this view, Sikhi will very rapidly decline, no one will keep kesh etc. Example: Harnaam "Kaur."

Nuclear super powers of the world will not go to war anytime soon. They'll have a skirmish, battle here and then, chest thumping essentially.

In India such voices have legitimacy? In what world are you living? In Hindustan, such voices have a one way ticket to Nabha/Tihar Jail. Why would separation have to be bloody? Are we not in 2020 instead of 1947. Its possible and likely, but I don't see why you folks automatically assume it will be this or that. Whats the big deal if a few major historical places are outside of this Sikh nation? Are you saying Hindustani's would burn these places down? Not allow access? If so, that in itself is not a nation we should be apart of. Basically saying we are remaining with India out of fear. Nations aren't being "absorbed" left right and center in this world. Nor do I see the current Pakistani administration launching an attack, but we don't know what future regimes of either nation will do. FYI, I do not ask for Khalistan. I say we get more autonomy (won't happen) or at least some semblance of justice and a prosperous Punjab. All options seem like a long shot, Khalistan being the least likely. But, I wanted to pose questions to you, regardless. I see often subtle desh bhagats like you always pose the same old questions, as if you've seen through your magic ball that is exactly how a supposed Sikh nation will play out. They are literally the same questions, can you not think for yourself? Sheep.

We had no choice in 1947. Our "leaders" quickly realized that British wouldn't give Sikhs a home land due to demographics, and hence chose the Indians. The British wanted out asap, they didn't want to further complicate the Punjab issue with a 3-way split.