11 hours ago, Premi5 said:

Not quite

Anyway, I want to put another question

What are those that are promoting this, and the people who voted in favor, willing to sacrifice to attain their goals?

Are they ready to leave their prosperous and secure lives in the West ?

Are they ready to leave their careers/business?

Are they ready to live like fugitive/guerilla and be prepared for persecution and unfair torture and imprisonment from indian police?

Are they ready to sacrifice their lives, and the lives of their family ?

@Singh1989

@Jai Tegang!

@ipledgeblue

@proactive

@proudkaur21

First the question is why did we all leave in the first place? Is it because we as people cannot create functioning societies or are certain elements at play who see us sikhs as threat and try every possible thing to sabotage our living in our own land? I mean i would definitely want to have our own country because i know that our condition would be better than india. But truthfully right now i think we have no power and our own country is not possible. Our people back home think that okay things are not good lets just go to another country. What do you think about the future of immigration? You think the countries that we move to , their people will be happy with this? I mean im here sitting in the west becasue my dad had an engineering degree in punjab but was unemployed. And here in canada he got such a good job. The condition in punjab is really not good. But is it our own fault or are we being forced to be this way? We cant always just run away from our problems. We have to do something to build our own home. Cant always be running away to someone else's home. But the people who want khalistan well they say that the indian govt is purposefully doing this to punjab so we will just go away from there. What do you think,is it our own fault for punjab's condition or India just does not want us to prosper?

14 hours ago, proactive said:

This is the best way to bring them over to Sikhi. More and more are realising that their ancestors made the worst mistake possible in the 19th century becoming  part of the Manuvaadi society by joining the Arya Samaj. The Jats of Haryana has like the Jats of Punjab successfully resisted becoming the Shudars within the caste society that the Brahmins offered them. The Arya Samaj offered them 'equality' within their 'casteless' Arya society and they accepted this but all they really received was the exact same Shudar status that their ancestors had rejected over a thousand years ago. The Rajputs of their area still looked down on them as did the higher caste Brahmins.  They now also realise that the only religion that best suits their ethnic and cultural characteristics is Sikhi. It would be impossible to expect that they would all become Amritdhari in a few years, the best way is to increase their attachment to Sikhi with each passing day. The first step has already been taken, they have mentally become accustomed to feeling that they are not Hindus and that they want to become Sikhs. This is the biggest step because everything else stems from this first step, to stop going to the Mandir and to go to the Gurdwara instead, to change the rites of passage from Hindu to Sikh. To go from the Vedic marriage to the Anand Karaj, to go from having a Havan ceremony to having an Akhand Path or Sukhmani Sahib Paath. 

also these new converts will probably be way better sikhs than those low iq so called sikhs we have in punjab.Atleast these people are trying to learn. Honestly i have no hope in punjabis. Our people are so egoistic its insane. i have said it before and i will say it again. If you dont have the numbers then be clever and do prachaar like muslims and christians do. But no our lot just dont have the intelligence to be strategic. Not all wars have to be physical. Honestly sikhi would be much better if the majority of its followers are not punjabi. idk what it is about our people but we are just not it.We should try to do parachaar in areas adjoining punjab in himachal and haryana and rajasthan. We need to bring areas under influence of sikhi.

yup the amount of issues that we are surrounded by are too overwhelming. The future seems really bad. But its okay i guess, if people dont want to attain mukti its upto them. In the end everyone will have their own karma to face .Whether sikhi remains in the future or not , the truth will never change no matter what anyone else believes in. I think we all fear for the few sikhs that will remain in the future if things don't get better and how difficult life will be for them. Just look at our farmers and even though the protest is so large nothing is happening no one cares. If we keep decreasing it is going to be really bad for the sikhs that remain. The world is becoming horrible. But i guess that is bound to happen in kalyug.

when did this tradition of letting non sikhs marry sikhs in gurudwaras start? like ive yet to see catholic church or mosques allow inter religious marriages. I dont understand how did this start and how did we let this happen for so long.No wonder most of our people just go and marry people of other religions without a thought. They have never been taught the importance of sikhi or the sikh marriage. Like ive never seen muslims complain how evil it is that mosques dont allow interfaith marriages. They know its not allowed in their religions so when they usualy marry interfaith they do civil court marriages or something else. But no our lot think gurudwaras are a circus where anyone can go and eat free food, dance , marry whoever you like. Its all one love one humanity. Biggest mistake to ever let this interfaith marriages every happen in gurudwara. No wonder we are nothing now. Guru gobind singh ji said they would be with us as long as we live the khalsa way of life but no something went completely wrong and now we have all this mess because our useless low iq ancestors never set boundaries. So now so called sikhs dont even want to marry other sikhs because its one luv one humanity smh. Half of the sikhs in india think we are hindus cuz of the constant propoganda they are surrounded with. We should have clear set boundaries that we are not hindus or muslims .Such a big mistake so now our lot keep intermarrying with others because sikhi says we are all one. Smh whats the point of being a sikh if you dont even want to live the sikh way of life by marrying another sikh. Whats the point of being in love with your religion when you dont even pass it on? If being a muslim or christain is so great then why is the word such a shitty place. The word would be 1000 times better if sikhi was spread but no our lot are tooo low iq or self aware about how the world works. They literally dont know the value of sikhi.

10 minutes ago, Jassu said:

@dallysingh101It's ironically people like you that mention Jatts in every other thread that make issues between castes worst. The truth is that literally all castes (if they're a Sikh) are still very loyal to Sikhi. There are more important issues like our decreasing birth rate and the wannabe assimilation to western ideals. 

I think assimilation to indian ideals is way worse. 

Honestly I feel like sikhs should have adopted words from the Sri guru granth sahib ji as their last names instead of keeping these hindu last names. We wouldnt be in this mess if our last names were not associated with any caste.

Khatris arent any less though I mean Im khatri and see all these khatris marrying people from different religion and believing in one love one humanity type bs. I feel like our people on avg are low iq. Like they just want to be assimilated with others. They dont care about being distinct from others.  I mean I'm from doaba and there is always a new self styled god man that emerges every few years and then punjabi Hindus will start believing him and worhsipping him and our fellow brethren will just follow what punjabi hindus are doing without using their brains. Sorry but I feel like our people on avg are just low iq. I mean the gurus have given you all the answers but if you still want to beleive in nonsense and pakhand idk what to say. Like idk why people say india is a spiritual land. If you have lived in India even for a year you will know that there is barely any spirituality in india. They just believe in the most bs thing and do not use their brains. They will just follow what everyone else is doing.idk why waheguru would spread sikhi amongst our lot rather than a  disciplined group of people.

6 minutes ago, Premi5 said:

Autocracy can be just as bad towards minorities , no ?

I mean if we look at sikh theocracy it has always been just for the most part to people of all religions because we are not taught to subjugate people of other religions unlike certain global religions. I have full faith in sikhi and its rule because i know my people are not going out there kidnapping women of other religions, destroying places of worship of other religions, making life hell for people of other religions or letting people go hungry.

Just now, Jacfsing2 said:

We can’t compare to Jews as according to Goras, they are “God’s chosen people”, whereas no Hindus say we are “God’s chosen people”. 

facts we need to understand the world we are living in. We need to understand our position in the global environment and understand we have no support and start from here. We need to use sikhi to develop and build ourselves and our people and our homeland not follow these western people. We need to have faith in sikhi.

3 minutes ago, Premi5 said:

Jews are only around 2-3 % of USA population, and only around 0.5% UK population, but they have major influence in business, politics, and media. 

They get so much support from the christians of US. Why does israel get so much money from the US? We dont have anyone. Jews got israel from the support of British not because they fought for it. Even in the war against arab countries the US helped them. We need to understand we have no allies. We have to look for our own interests.

On 9/2/2021 at 4:13 AM, SSP said:

What people fail to understand is that there should be a difference between respecting someone who has guided you towards Gurbani, i.e. a spiritual person maybe a 'Sant' and following them rather than Gurbani.

Sikhi was colonised by the British and we are still following the colonised version rather than that given by our Gurus. We had no words like 'Priest for our Granthis, Holy book for the eternal Guru, Guru Granth Sahib ji l could go on.

From a theo-political perspective our Institutions and the general Sikh public have more faith in the Western concept of leadership, that is one person leads and all others follow, rather than the concept of collective leadership and panj pardani system. We believe in elections rather than selection. We believe in making decisions by voting rather than consensus.

We need to actively work to get back to basics.

yes but the thing is because we didn't get the chance to implement the sikh way of ruling most people dont know how it would be like and just assume they would be like the punjab politicians that we have currently. They also probably see the committee politics in gurudwaras and dont have much faith. I believe democracy is the biggest <banned word filter activated> because it gives power to the masses and then it causes issues for minorities when the majority dont have good interests for you.

35 minutes ago, Jacfsing2 said:

The best thing we can do is increase numbers, being only 2% of a population in the country we are most populated is not seen as a serious threat. I know a lot of people are “quality over quantity”, but in democracy, numbers are all that matters. 

YUP i hate those people who constantly say we are only 2% but 25% of the army or one of the richest community in india or blah blah as if <banned word filter activated> like this is an achievement? You literally have no voice because of your low population so how can u constantly celebrate being 2% wth like i just dont understand.

5 hours ago, Ranjeet01 said:

The SGPC must be transferred from Indian Govt control to the CCP.

The party will sanction that Bani be written in Mandarin script. 

We must have langar with chopsticks. 

We will not be able allowed to call each brother or sister, we must call each other comrade. 

Otherwise we will be sent to the re-education camp.

Its written in one of the sau sakhis that india will be invaded by china and russia and tbh seems like it might come true eventually seeing all the border fights lol.

5 hours ago, Kau89r8 said:

 

Omg this man has done nothing in the past 5 years other than bring misery to sikhs. If people of punjab give even a single vote to this useless pathetic pos then there is no hope for such stupidity.

11 hours ago, Kaurr said:

 

Yeah but who's sending those kurtay pajamay wallay. Punjab government and Indian government hate us. Punjab has potential, but it's not being used. 

I have plenty of family in Punjab that are jatts and well educated, they're just not getting the jobs. My cousin and her dalit friend applied for a job and they had to do this test thingy, my cousin got a score wayy higher than her friend but her dalit friend got the job because she was a lower caste. Both my parents who are jatts spent years working hard getting their degrees but they couldn't find a well paying job. Same with some other family. Yeah you have some idiots (like some of my second cousins) that are obsessed with bhangra and that sh1t but that's because they're jobless. For me, recently it's always been that we've lacked in good leadership recently.

I agree . We have been brainwashed into believing that we cannot stand on our own and cannot control punjab. This is psychological warfare. Alot of apne think we are not worthy of running our own state .

20 minutes ago, Kau89r8 said:

https://www.independent.co.uk/asia/india/global-hunger-index-india-rank-b1939046.html

India slips out of top 100 countries on Global Hunger Index

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/india/global-hunger-index-2021-india-slips-seven-positions-to-101-lags-behind-pakistan-bangladesh-and-nepal/videoshow/87038876.cms

Global Hunger Index 2021: India slips seven positions to 101, lags behind Pakistan, Bangladesh and Nepal

This is the future of india ....

damn even pakistan is ahead wow.

1 minute ago, Kau89r8 said:

They will never change..have you seen what happen in Singu Border...

Hindus calling us taliban isis ..it will get ugly 

I was laughing so much . They literally lynch people in the streets for eating cow meat and when one sikh does something they all show their true colors. We are not like them . The nihang didnt kill an innocent person. Remember how they demolished babri msjid and attacked muslims. They always act as the victim but they are evil af.