proactive

The people meeting him are the usual unelected bunch of self seekers, chumchay and yes men. The real Sikhs were the ones who protested his visit and those taking part in the open court set up against Modi. These are the people who care more about what Modi is doing to the minorities in India than just looking at making the visa process easier for themselves!

I heard that Sher group won by about 500 odd votes. Does anyone have the exact figures for each person standing or committee standing. A youth committee now has 3 years in which to try and get elected. As long as they do good grassroots work among the youth then getting elected should not be a huge hurdle. It is the youth who are more likely to get their parents to vote for a particular committee rather than the other way round.

Sardar Ganga Singh Dhillon was ahead of his time. He pioneered the approach of Sikhs being able to deal with the Pakistan government on a one on one basis without the Indian govt being a middle man. This has scared the establishment in India whether it is the SGPC which lost the right to be considered the management authority of the Gurdwaras in Pakistan after the creation of the PGPC or the Indian govt which lost the claim to be the representative of the Sikhs outside of India. It is sad that this approach did not continue and Sikhs outside of India were unable to create a unified leadership which could have dealt with other governments on an independent basis.

Setting up a new Gurdwara is not a solution especially as there are already eight Gurdwaras within a radius of 2 miles! The youth committee needs to grassroots work at least for 2-3 years with the youngsters in order to create a base and then take over the management of the Gurdwara.

The name of the caller was Onkar as far as I can remember.

I heard that as well. I missed the first bit, was the Sikh council guy the first one to bring the word Sikh into the conversation or did James O'Brien say the word first? There was no need for him to ring as the discussion was about a Muslim girl who wanted to wear the niqaab to school.

The Yes vote lost mainly because the establishment such as the UK government, big business, anti-independence parties all colluded to create an element of fear about what kind of country people would wake up to if the vote had been Yes. The anti-independence parties made big promises about giving Scotland more powers and the three leaders signed a pledge a few days before the referendum, Big Business like the banks threatened to move their headquarters to England in the event of a Yes vote, The supermarkets also said that prices would have to increase if there was a Yes vote. Oil which is a boon to any country was almost treated as a negative as comments were made by so-called experts that the price would go down and Scotland would get less and less income from the oil fields in the future. Old people were scared into believing that their pensions were under threat and they might not get paid if the country went independent. Some newspapers even had articles that house prices would crash 20% and there would be turmoil in the share market. It was the politics of fear vs the politics of hope. Unfortunately the politics of fear won. Those politicians that said they would give Scotland more powers are now already urging a go slow process and claiming that all the other regions also need to have their rights considered!

Traditionally when a woman married she took on the traditions and beliefs of the family she married into. This is why to maintain Sikhi and to keep the faith alive and pass it through future generations a female Sikh should marry only a Sikh male. It is difficult in an extended family where the woman will live with her husband's parents as well as her husband;s brothers and sisters for a number of years for her to keep her faith distinct if they all follow another faith. The family will also probably have rituals which they follow which are not in line with Sikhi such as idol worship etc. Being married into the family will entail her having to take part in their rituals. On the other hand a Sikh man who comes from a strong Gursikh family would not be under the same pressure because if he marries a non-Sikh female then traditionally the girl would be integrated into the Sikh religion and the rites she would be taking part in would be the same as her Sikh husband. Obviously the above is not 100% given today's nuclear families and married couples leaving their parents home after marriage but the Hukum needs to understood according to the time when it was given.

Obama and Cameron are weak leaders. They have the military might of a superpower and yet all they can make is statements about how horrified they are at the murders of two journalists and the aid worker. The ironic thing is that David Haines had been an aid worker in the Balkans when he assisted Muslim refugees from the civil war there. RIP.

Best book is probably this one, although its stops around 1910 http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=RpvXCtNzrz8C&pg=PA67&lpg=PA67&dq=kenneth+jones+arya+samaj&source=bl&ots=LVF3JZtK41&sig=XkZVRraBd5LERQkC8fd56NqC9zs&hl=en&sa=X&ei=lpoNVKuhGJTA7AaR-YDgDw&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=kenneth%20jones%20arya%20samaj&f=false

That should be an interesting debate. Bhai Mohan Singh talking from experience and Katy Sian talking out of her backside. Bhai Mohan Singh talking the language of the common man and Katy Sian talking the language of out of touch left wing pseudo-intellectuals. Like I said should be a good debate.

The funny thing is that if these poor people had been non-Sikhs, Khalsa Aid would have been out there beating their drums asking for funds to help these people. Because they are Sikhs, KA couldn't care less. Nice to see Harjap Singh Bhangal giving a good interview about the problems of Sikhs in Afghanistan on the BBC this morning. These people are lucky in some respects that the UK even with all this anti-immigrant rhetoric still has compassion and chances are they will be be able to prove that they have a well founded fear of persecution and hence will be able to start new lives in this country. Just had a look at what Khalsa Aid website has as their latest fund drives and efforts - Yazidis in Iraq and aid to Bosnia because of the floods there!!

There is nothing wrong in Sikhs serving in the Indian army or government administration as long as they are aware of that they belong to a separate nation to the Hindu nation and when the time comes they know that they will chose for a Sikh nation and not for the Hindu nation. Unless you have complete unity among Sikhs and have an agenda and a plan of action which will provide jobs for these Sikhs if they chose to leave their jobs as they cannot in all conscience stay in their jobs you cannot ask Sikhs not not work in tge government. When the time comes to establish Khalistan the skills of these Sikhs will be invaluable as the Indian system will need to be replaced by a Khalsa system.

She was a typical Muslim hypocrite and good riddance to her. She was fast tracked by the fool Cameron because he wanted the ethnic vote and thought having a useless fat lardarse like her would ensure that vote! She never won an election on her own right. She resigned because her career was going nowhere and it looks like the Tories will be out of power next year. Here is her getting egged by some Muslims in Luton a few years ago.

I think there is a need to reconsider whether three channels are really necessary. One channel should meet our needs quite well provided that it is run on the right lines. Having three channels is like having three Gurdwaras a few doors away from each other. Having one channel not only combines the funds which are expended on three channels but also ensures that the same message is getting across to the maximum amount of Sikhs who watch this channel. The channel should then reconsider its programming as in many cases there are better youtube videos and discussions such as the ones by Sikh Siyasat, Basics of Sikhi and Rajoana TV. There should be Kirtan/Katha in Punjabi during the daytime as that is when the elderly Sikhs are more likely to watch the channel. After 6pm the programmes should switch to ones targeted to the youth and should be in English. The channel should also provide avenues for young Sikhs to be able to get experience in the media from where they can then go mainstream as we need Sikh reporters and journalists who are either sabat surat or are committed to Sikh values. One thing I think we should be conscious of is that there is a tendency among Sikhs to complain about any small issue they have with one of these Sikh channels to blow this out of proportion and then either bad mouth the channel or cancel any direct debit they may have set up to help the channel. I don't agree with everything that Sikh channel does but if we all act like that then there will come a time when there will not be three Sikh channels but no Sikh channels and we will lose a valuable resource.

AAP came out of nowhere and made a big impact because it was able to gain the support of the Panthic vote by choosing candidates that were professionals and not tainted by corruption and the dirty politics of the Akali-BJP-Congress parties. What the Panthic leaders or those who wish to serve the Panth is to join this party and turn it into a Punjab centric party. AAP got nowhere in the rest of India apart from the Delhi Assembly elections. In Delhi they lost momentum in the Lok Sabha elections. The Panthic votebank has been waiting for a party that can truly take on the Akalis and the Congress and can seriously become a contender for forming the next government in Punjab. Simranjeet Singh Mann was a hope once but he destroyed his chances by aligning himself with the same Akali leaders who had been rejected by the people in 1989. AAP has kept it's chances of keeping the Panthic vote by putting forward Professor Baljinder Kaur whose chacha was a Babbar Khalsa kharkoo who was martyred in the 90s as a candidate from the Talwandi Sabo assembly byelection this month. I would urge anyone who has relatives in the constituency to do their but and make sure that they vote for her and let us send those whose families sacrificed for the Panth into power and not those who have lost no opportunity to betray the Panth.

Some idiots like this guy will never wake up no matter how many attacks the Muslims launch on Sikhs. http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/saharanpur-s-silver-lining-sikh-employer-plays-his-part-to-help-muslim-employees-celebrate-eid/article1-1246071.aspx Why did the fool not spend the money to help his fellow Sikhs who had had their shops and businesses looted by the muslay instead of paying his muslim workers a bonus because they managed to starve themselves for a month

Another factor in this issue is that the Gurdwara runs a number of schools in the area where a majority of students are Muslims. The Gurdwara committee needs to rethink their acts of charity and now refocus on the Sikhs rather than educate a community of ungrateful Muslims. The committee should be looking after the poorer sections of the Sikh community such as the Banjaras, Ramaiyas or the converted former Hindu chamars who became Sikhs in the late 80s. Why not educate them rather than the Muslims. http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/girl-s-college-may-provide-healing-touch-to-riot-torn-saharanpur/article1-1245741.aspx

The Rohillas and other Pathans are not that great in number. Most of the Muslims of western UP are Julahas, Qasabs, Mochis and other lower castes. The Peerzadas of this area were well know fanatics during the Mughal times and they used to openly slaughter cattle in main squares of the times as a challenge to the Hindus. Banda Singh Bahadur invaded this area when some local converts to Sikhism had been imprisoned by the local faujdar. He was joined in the invasion by the local Hindu Gujjars and they laid waste the whole area and only the heavy rainfall forced Banda Singh to raise his siege of Jalalabad although he was successful in killing and expelling the Peerzadas from the area.

That's a bit over the top. But the mistake was made in 1947 when the Jathas did not pursue the Muslims into Malerkotla and ensure that they left East Punjab as all the other Muslims did and as you say allowed a nest of vipers to thrive and reassert themselves in the Sikh heartland. And before anyone comes back with the Ha Da Nahra story, remember that the Sikhs prior to 1947 did not have any great regard for Malerkotla. Sher Mohammed was someone who abducted a Singhni from Amritsar who committed suicide rather than be raped by him. He was killed in a battle with the Sikhs of Doaba soon after. A number of the Nawabs of Malerkota were also killed by the Dal Khalsa in battle. Maharaja Ranjit Singh forced the Nawab of Malerkotla to abdicate and the state only survived because by the treaty of Amritsar restricted the Maharaja to north of the Satluj.

Let's be honest here. Sikhs in Punjab can't do anything. The biggest joke is that 14000 Nihangs are coming to UP to take revenge. They can't even take revenge in Punjab let alone go and do the same in UP. Chances are if they ever did go there they would want a police escort and a guaranteed supply of Sukha! We call the Punjabi Hindus cowards and yet they took action and blockaded a mosque in Punjab when news came that the Kashmiri Muslims had burnt the langar camps of the Hindu yatris at the Amarnath yatra camp. You are right that the Dakhani Sikhs are much more able to take care of themselves than the Punjabi Sikhs.

Mann's pretty much a lost case now. He should have been wise enough to realise that you cannot play the 'enemy of my enemy is my friend' tactic when it comes to Muslims. Muslims are nobody's friends, if they can bomb mosques because those mosques are run by another Muslim sect then how can you trust them to deal fairly with non-Muslims. Mann if he had any sense should have told the Muslims that their people were guilty of provoking the riots when a young Muslim man had molested a Hindu Jat girl. But it takes courage to call a spade a spade but Mann just wants to play the same old game.

Ramadan tends to be the most violent month among Muslims. Look at all the killings happening in Nigeria, Syria, Iraq etc. It's because when you get Muslims who have been starving themselves all day and rather than feeling spiritual about their fast are seething with anger at non-Muslims who are eating normally, it is easy to get them all fired up and violent.

Jas Singh And you used this thread to show how stupid you are by spreading hatred of a particular caste.

The Badal's are finished and the assembly elections in a few years time will see their demise. They are trying to fool the Panth by taking the issue of Haryana gurdwara committee but most Sikhs have seen through their games. They made their party into a Punjabi party and Sukhbir was quoted as saying that they have ditched the Panthic agenda before the Lok Sabha elections. Now that they have been badly beaten and lost the Panthic votes to AAP they are playing the 'Panth in danger' card. The AAP got the Panthic vote from the traditionally Akali rural areas especially in Malwa. They need to keep the momentum and try and win at least one of the two assembly byelections either Patiala or Talwandi Sabo. AAP need to make an effort to win the Talwandi Sabo assembly seat as this is a part of Harsimrat Badal's Bathinda lok sabha seat. If AAP were to win this seat the momentum would stay with them. The Akalis are already depressed after the way they lost their traditional vote in the Lok Sabha elections. AAP need to choose a good candidate, maybe Harvinder Singh Phoolka should be their candidate as the Akalis have announced a former Congressi who switched to Badal's Akali dal before the lok sabha election.