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I hve been doing paths of caupai shaib since 10 years for chardi kala of panth daily between 5- 10 paths apart for chardi kala and success of singhs also jap shaib paths for 20 years .I hope I MUST HAVE CROSSED 30,000 FIGURES OF CHAPUAI SHAIB AND 8 000 JAP SHAIBS PATHS.

Dear brother in the SIKH REHAT MARYADA based about the various Rahitnamas one must keep ks or kakars there is no mention of whether to tye the beard or not as far as definition of sant is concerned u should not have doubts sikh history is full of sants LIKE MANI SINGH JI,PANJ PYARE, TARU SINGH JI AND OF COURSE SANT JARNAIL SINGH JI, BHAI RANDHIR SINGH JI. NOT PRESENT DAY SANTS WHO LIVES ON OFFERINGS DOING NOTHING FOR SIKHI . AS far as meat eating is concerned guru ji encouraged hunting and meat eating so sikhs should not be timids and but must not consume halal meat eating controversy is part of BABA MARYADA not the sikh maryada. NIRMALAS ,UDASSIS R NOT PART OF SIKH FOLD THEY COMMITED SUCH SINS DURING BRITISH PERIOD THAT EVEN MASSA RANGHAR DID NOT COMMIT WHEN GURDWARAS WERE UNDER THEIR CONTROL THEY USED TO EXPLOIT THE SIKH WOMEN DEVOOTEES AND USED TO INDULGE IN GANG RAPES.ONE SUCH EPISODE WAS IN 1920 WHEN AT NANKANA SHIAB DURING RAHIRASS SHAIB A 14 YEAR OLD DAUGHTER OF RETIRED GOVERMENT OFFICIAL WAS GANG RAPED BY SADHUS BELONGING TO UDASASI SECT. AFTER THE MORCHA DUE TO THEIR ACTS AND DUE TO THEIR OPOSITION TO REHAT MARYADA EVEN DURING THE TIME OF GURUS THESE PEOPLE WERE NEVER ACCEPTED AS PART OF SIKH SOCIETY. Yes SRI CHAND JI WAS DISOWNED BY GURU NANAK DEV JI.

It IS VERY BAD AND SHAMELESS TO CHANGE THE ARDASS PRESCRIBED BY SELFSTYED SCHLORS . BAWAUTI IS NOT NAME OF ANY GOD AND GODDESSES BUT MEANS KIRPAN FURTHER CHUPAI SHAIB PRANO ARR AND CHPUAI SHAIB HMRI KARO HATH DE RASHA REJECTS HINDU GODDESES AND GODS. SWWIYAAS AND 33 SWWIYAS ,JAP SHAIB R ALL WRITTEN BY DASAM PITA JI AND THESE VERSES REJECTS GODS AND GODDESSES IF U REJECT THESE THINGS THEN U R DIVIDING PANTH .

In Punjab after bluestar a fanatic gave offered ladoo to a singh while distributing to others when singh asked that fanatic hindu reason for distribution of laddoos that narakdhari replied bhindrawale is dead and bharat mata has won, The singh took out his kirpan and chopped off the hand to which he was ditributing laddoos and both hand and laddoos dropped in the drain this happened in july 1984 in S.A.S NAGAR.Varinder sharma should remember it and also rember the faith of dancer protima bedi who gave big party to celebrate the bluestar and she got buied alive thouands of feets down in landslide while visiting a hindu shrine army officials watched helplessly while she was being going down the earth slowlyit happened in 1990 althogh I am not aware of the date.

This is intended action of antisikh people to subvert the sikhi by intermixing of marriages or by exploiting the youngters .It is in the sikh community girls and boys marrying outside the community and make them them change their faith although I consisder marriage as persomal affiar, last year in Nagpur headquaters of RSS a sikh girl the docter came to local gurdwara to marry the hindu boy performing Bhangras but local singhs not only manhandled the president of gurdwara shaib but also bashed up some baratis and banned any such anti rehat actions in all gurdwaras in maharastra.In punjab sikh girls going around with biharis r quite common then such sikh girls end up in Darbhanga in bihar and from there these girls r sold to brothels of metros ,agra,lucknow. This is sad story of affairs in punjab no-one is bothered about it.

sarna is a stooge of congress even worse than makkars,badals. He is more concerned in his commercial benefits, he is no less than member of anti sikh forces.

the tegha in the buddha dal stall on this year hola mohalla was the mixture of tegha and sirohi for just 800 rupees unfortunately I CARRIED LESS AMONT THAT DAY I FORGOT MY WALLET AT HOME but singh on duty invited me to visit their shop near buddha dal school in patiala saying that only true singhs r allowed see their sastars and promises me for discount. but one NIhang Singh from Sangrur had most powerful sastars particularly PURE KHALSAI KHANDA WITH GREENISH OLOUR AND TURKI TALWAR WERE THE BEST ONES I HAVE NOT SEEN SUCH SHARPENED AND SOLID KHANDA. BUT PRICES START WITH 1200 AND KHANDA WAS 30,000 RUPEES,

Just one day before the elections of 9 seats for loksabha in Punjab Pm Manmohan Singh has called the sikhs to forget 1984 elcetion commission has banned this statement from telecasted by PTC Punjabi and did not allow any telecasting of other programs also as it may incite the community although same has been said by shusma swaraj but when it comes from the prime minister of congresssame party was invouled in genocide of sikhs and too from sikh looking person is clear signal that these type of killings keep on happening and sikh s should forget it. My advice to prime minister and shusma with lizard like eyes BHookhian nazaran wali TO FORGET MUMBAI KILLINGS AND SET FREE KASAB, THEY SHOULD ALSO FORGET PARLIAMENT ATTACK, MORE RECENTLY ASK TAMILIANS TO FORGET SRI LANKAN OPERATIONS

There is no puratan maryada there is only one rehat maryada specified in rehitnamas and rehatnamas r recorded conversation and directions of gurus. These people seem to be agents of hindu fanatic group , These kind of beadbi is common in each guru ghar everywhere.They r imposing hindu rituals on sikh sangat so these people cease to be sikhs AS PER REHITNAMA REHIT BINA NA SIKH KAHAWE.

yes Kalyug Singh is right sikh have to be both sant and sipahi.Main problem is mindset I come from a warrior background my desdendants have fought wars with both Ahmedshah abdali, nadirshah,and parcipated in anglo-sikh war but now milatant chacter is gone in most of our relatives this is not only personal example but the truth how even persons from warrior family have shed their fighting charcter. This had happened during 1984 like those days today the sikh is more interested in expensive homes,cars and comfrots but invests nothing on weapons like guns shooting practice even modern sikh is shy of buying 6 inch kirpan.On the other hand bhiyas from up,bihar live in huts but even their small girls know the handling of shotguns and rifles.I have seen in Punjab bhiyas getting better of sikhs in street fights and bhiyyas wearing dirty clothes with arms license buys most expensive weapons from Punjab their favourite weapons r big bore guns and imported handguns which costs 2to 4 lacs in india.I met a Nihang who said he has not fired from his gun for 4 years. Sikhs have to learn modern milatary doctrine apart from learning Shaster Vidya and should learn Karete in real figting form not as sport besides learning about hit and run tactics.RSS r doing this Guru Gobind Singh had said my Khalsa will love weapons of war as khalsa is milatary brotherhood. I am personaly very mild in temperament but I know during emergency I can defend myself as my litle experience and training in karete has made me bear pain and strike back.

Only remedy to stop the beadbi is not to kill the culprit but take out his the eyes and cuttoff the hands if this had done with the other culprits it would have set up the example and none would have dared to do it again as these culprits r invaders and enemy of both guru granth and guru panth.

asee theory sant ji being congress men is created by leftists in 1981 according former vice chief of indian army gen sinha in 1981 he was ordered to use tanks and other heavy arms by indian army but he refused can anyone order to kill if he was congress man? secondly it is wrong to compare sant ji with thackre shiv sena who r running even brothels in maharastra? it is notion which u took againist from antisikh leftists what akalis u r talking about who has sold their womenfolk to congress leaders badals has matrimonial relations with kairon family sant longowal nephews had joined congress even pagal buddha h.s surjit used to lick shoes of indira gandhi leftists r biggest hypocrists even wrost than rss. Tohra destroyed the evidence of operation bluestar go to punjab SANT JI is biggest heros during nagar kirtans pro bhindrawale slogans r raised he is biggest hero of sikhs even strongest role model. Even hardliners sikh groups r like akali dal international openly display khalstan and bhindrawale posters in their vehicles in thousands apart from mann dal and damdami taksal activists,

Please do not underestimate the old fighting style in their invasion of okinawa islands 60,000 soviet troops were wiped out by japense forces and fighters with khattana samurai swords, knives, and other traditional weapons when japense exhausted their amnunition in world war second later on UNITED STATES forces occupied the area after long seige and losing 25,000 men during vietnam war at many places locals got better of best armed forces. Another example is operation bluestar many indian soliders died of sword wounds. The tactics are important like deception understanding the power of enemy if a singh armed with traditional weapon strikes Ak armed person with split second from hiding he will have no chance for example Iam no expert in sikh martial art but has seen the power of tegha, sirohi, and goli sword it is deadly.

I never say all hindus r bad gen sinha, gen jamwal were all hindus who refused to kill innocent sikhs as far as surrouding of DURBAR shaib is concerned it hapeened in feb 1982 when some heads of cows were found outside the temple in Amritsar and 50,000 hindus surrounded Durbar shaib after burning a SINGH SABHA GURDWARA in Amritsar at same time 6 other gurdwaras were burned in Patala, ludhiana also after 1947 curfew was imposed at these cities for 15 days. Those doing secrilege were given good treatment by singhs with their kirpans

What the socalled jathedars of nihangs did when Durbar Shaib was surrounded by 50,000 hindu mob led by BJP leaders in 1982 and some nihangs did defend durbar shiiab but santa singh did not honour any of singhs and nihangs remained silent in 1982 7 gurdwaras were burned in PAtiala ,Amritsar, Ludhiana perhaps none of members of this forum know about this fact in patiala BJP chief Shambu nath led the mob that burned the gurdwara and did beadbi of granth shiab for this that papi shambunath was dispathed to hell by by singhs in1987 and prkash chand badal called him papi a great man as shambu prasad had made reservation for badals in hell.

Warrior U seem to suffer from slave mentality before crticising defenders of DURBAR SHAIB become just 1% brave like the gallant warriors of 1984 THE SANT JARNAIL SINGH JI BHINDRAWALE, AND face tanks, mortars and HMG bullets like those great singhs. Will u justify indian army men drinking alchohal at the end of operation , read the article OF GEN SINHA in many newspapers in which he has described how he was ordered by political bosses to attack the CHOWK MEHTA, AND DURBAR SHAIB WITH ARMOURED CARRIERS AND TANKS IN 1981 at the time of Sant ji arrest there was no fortification and Gen Sinha refused saying that even to kill defenceless people of enemy nation is sin he was superseded in 1983 by gen vaidya. Was durbar shaib fortified in 1949,1955,1959 when the police opened fire at devootees, what about police firing in GURDWARA PAONTA SHIAB in1963 in which holy GRANTH WAS BURNED DOWN AND 14 NIHANGS OF TARNUA DAL WERE KILLED AND NIHAL SINGH HARIAN BELA WAS WOUNDED.Yes Akal Takht was a fort and GUru Hargobind ji used to hold arms compitition of sikhs. Have some shame before demeaning singhs.

during war or if one if has to prepare for war he has to eat anythingh in jungle warfare course trainees r taught to eat even snakes . In medival period there was a category of sikhs called jhatkaiyas whose job is to slaguter the goat with one stroke. It is socalled sant babas under bramanism influense who has caused this controversy KHALSA PANTH is army it is no sin to take jhatka meat,

They have half knowdlede and while bhais or granthis get less by their katha but these socalled schlors have done more damage to sikhi in turn they got millions of dollars and some of the misconceptions which r created by scholars are as such: Guru Gobind Singh gave identity to sikhs by 5 ks creating impression all other Gurus did not have unshorn hair truth is that Guru Nanak Dev ji in his conversation with Pir Baduru din in Mecca told him both hindus and muslims by shaving their hair have become SIRGUMS , meaning that unshorn hair ihas been essential part of sikhi before DASMESH JI, IN ALL medival pictures not only GURU JIS but sikhs have unshorn hair. Another misconception is wrong meaning of Khalsa given by these sholars as the DASMESH JI have given meaning of khalsa that is Khasa Akal PURUKH KI FAUJ, KHALSA MERI JAN DI JANthese scholars gave self made meanings like Khalsa is pure, khalsa is name of special land showing that they r more intelligent than the GURU. Khalsa word appears in HUkumnamas from the times of GURU HARGOBIND JI.While Granthis misinterprets as they gets training from different sects and their views are based upon unreconised sources see kind of damage done by Pisora Singh, kala AFGHANA, and many other socalled scholars while granthis do it according to their training but socalled scholars do it at the behest of anti-sikh forces.

I am of the humble opinion that Gurdwara Committees, Sants, etc don’t want the Sangat to have certain knowledge of Sikhi. The type of philosophy that will uplift the sangat and give them knowledge. Why cos if the sangat new real Sikhi, the people running Gurdwara wouldn’t make any money. Instead we have to put with sakes which are unrealistic and people doing kiretn to a sangat that doesn’t understand with whats being said. When was the last time a Dr or professor of Sikh studies was invited to lecture at your Gurdwara to do a talk on say "Socio-Polical role of Guru Nanak dev jee”?? or not to believe in “vamm” how Gurbani denounces it and how it’s unscientific. Sikhs should be people of knowledge after all Sikh means learner. Sikh is not learner but a true sikh is like his guru to be a learner or studentship is like subourdination which was outrightly rejected by our GURUS. mY DEAR friend these socalled professors or scholars are contradicting the path of GURUS by their self created meaning of Gurbani and with their false egos these class is even worst than badals and tohras. Their loyalty is more towards antisikh forces like Congress, RSS, AND marxists.

My dear misguided pal first thingh is that there is not the word hindu in any religious texts there are terms like shiav, vaihnav etc there is no question of being Guru Nanak as hindu, true meaning of word hindu is lowest person this term has been accepted .in punjabi it means KAMEENA. I try to ignore ur posts, Secondly turks were not first foreign invaders IT WAS ARYANS AND THEY CALLED LOCAL PEOPLE DASYU,ASURS,RAKSAS ETC.These socalled bravehearts could not prevent 25,000 muslims to destroy somnath in 1026 despite collecting a hugh host of 15 lac and in second battle of train in1192 rajputs under prithiviraj chauhan had 8 lac troops againist th 1,20000 muslims nearly 1 to 8 men stll hindus lost, in 1565 battle of talicota in which 4 shia staes of south india pitted againist the 15 lac soldiers of vijaynagar empire muslims cavalry with 20,000 troops not only defeated hindu army but destroyed the whole empire biggest evidence is the HAMPI RAVINES IN SOUTH INDIAGusikh cannot be slaves I can more examples.

As far Nihangs vs Taliaban is concerned one big difference is nature of arms even with traditional arms like Teghas ,Khandas, Spears Kirpans U can overcome any one but subject to nature of tactics used big example is battle for OKINAWAS islands in world war second in which japence soldiers were short of amuniation but with there SAMURAI KHATTANAS SWORD with assistance of local people with Samurai background these fighters first wiped out Red Army of soviet union of 60,000 then in hit and run tactics.then U.S TROOPS were able to occupy 12 islands after 3 months of siege but lost 35,000 soliders, it was unbeliveable to see machineguns and tanks got beaten by swords . Even during vietnam war unamed local people were able to overpower the armed US soldiers. In defence expo of 2004 in newdelhi WEAPON FOR DISPLAY WAS THE KIRPAN IN US ARMY STALL, my point is impotance of traditional arms cannot be overlooked yes it is good to learn the use of modern weapons . Another recent example is of mubai where the sikhs after the killing of sikh by sirsa dera followers replushed the guntoting hooligans with teghas.

As per SS news deepinder loomba is fighting case againist his employers who asked him to remove his turban .Sikhs from allover the world must support in his case and it is heartening to know that there r still selfrespecting true sikhs who can set up example and slave minded patit sikhs must learn lessons from these sikhs be it deepinder loomba or avtar dhillon

Jassa just shows mental slavery in the same verse of Chapupai Shaib there is denouncement of Socalled Mahadev. Thewse RSS should be taught a lesson 2 years back in fatehgarh shaib gurdwara some mahasas going to naina devi stayed at the fehgarh shaib and raised hindu flag at the langar hall Iamm proud to SAY I THREW THE HINDU FLAG IN THE DRAIN AFTER TEARING IT AT THE SAME TIME. Jassa should not oject if some hindu fanatics install idols in gurdwara.