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  1. This is a thread created in relation to other threads and posts recently. I am quite interested to know what those who are wiser amongst us, believe is the 'plan' of the 'elite', with regards to the future of the world. E.g. what are the motivations for the unrest in the Middle-east, reasons for recent issues between Qatar and Saudi Arabia, the antagonism of the West towards Iran and Russia, why there is uncontrolled immigration in Europe? Is this to benefit Jews and Christians? To benefit the bankers and big businesses How will Sikhs be affected in India and in the West? What collective stand can be take as a community in India, and in the West? Sorry if I am repeating much of what has been said before, but I feel this deserves its own thread
  2. Sikhs say we aren't a missionary religion like Islam and Christianity. But Guru Sahib travelled the whole world to spread sikhi. Guru Sahib set up manji system where accomplished gursikhs were chosen to do parchar of sikhi on non Sikhs. Gurbani also tells gursikhs to spread the True Naam in the world. So why we don't act like missionaries and convert people?
  3. I've noticed something about christian missionary vultures with their relative recent surge in activity in punjab from 1990s. What they couldn't manage by force and invasion in 1800's with the racist white christian british empire and brutal troops ruling over them they are achieving with indigenous punjabi evangelical christian pastors preaching to the masses freely and unhindered by any authorities. These missionary christians slowly groom the unsuspecting naive sikhs and other punjabis telling them Jesus is a guru too and eventually tell them that jesus is only Guru and then he is God they must exclusively follow. That they must reject their previous faith, culture and customs. If they do not their soul will go into hellfire as they will be seen as sinners who rejected Jesus. It seems something has changed in punjab and the punjabi character in being so secular and liberal allowing abrahamics to invade their minds whereas in previous generations they would have thought it unthinkable to become a christian it would have seen something of a embarrassment of choosing the religion of your oppressor. And the missionaries would not have dared to try and convert Sikhs in punjab especially with them telling our people secretly and openly our religion is from the devil and we are all going to hell if we do not become Christians. Have we become too tolerant too soft?
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    Why am i here?

    Someone asked why a christian should be on this forum. A good question indeed. Many reasons. It is in order to understand your underlying contemplative experiences and thus enrich my own worship. To explore information about your faith, to ask questions about your religious intuitions and truths. I think we have a huge amount in common despite important surface differences. Eastern wisdom interests me. For many years Buddhism was my interest and i found a lot was useful but ultimately unsatisfying. I have been seeking peace and strength from many sources for many years. None gave me the treasure i have in Christianity. Only when i faced insurmountable difficulties in my life did i realise it is God i sought all along and Christ who i need. I think Sikhs know God very deeply and i feel christians can learn a lot from you. Also vice versa. Talking to Sikhs i have found astounding similarities in our journey of knowing our Creator. I am a committed Christian, this will never change. But i see no reason to close my mind to the riches of other faiths such as yours. Yes we have huge vital differences but so much common ground. I firmly believe if people truly communicate, between cultures and religions, this would become a heaven on earth instead of the horrors people do to each other in the name of religion. Our God is the same essentially. To hurt or kill anyone for their different outlook is against God's will. It is the greatest tragedy and foolishness of humankind.
  5. Hello I am new on here. I am not sure if people here mind if a Christian joins? I am interested in the Sikh religion. I have heard there are many similarities and i have certain questions. Is it ok to ask? I hasten to say i believe in respecting everyone and that dialogue is healthy. People should communicate with each other.
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    Hi I am a new user. Excuse me that i am not sure i have got the tags or forum correct! I am very interested in your religion. I myself am a Christian. I believe open dialogue is healthy and indeed necessary between cultures. I would like to ask questions and am looking for what is written in your Holy Book. As i believe in all that is in my Bible and the teachings of Christ. A big subject is forgiveness. When accomplished it brings great peace. But is very hard to do! We all have pride and ego. Jesus teaches us Christians that if we ask forgiveness from our Heavenly Father, we ourselves must forgive all those who hurt us. This is fair but tough. He teaches us to love our enemies. To me that is extremely hard. But to love only those who love us is surely easy? He teaches that if someone slaps us, offer them the other cheek also. That we must not offer our prayers to God if we have enmity with anyone. So our Jesus preached love and peace. He said revenge is not the way. An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind. These are hard lessons. But a christian who cannot forgive cannot be forgiven by God. The closed heart is not able to receive love. My first hand experience is that my Dad was cruel and violent. He ruined my childhood and beat us all regularly especially my dear mother. When we grew up we all left. He remained alone until he got dementia and is now in a nursing home. I hated him so much. All the family does. I suffered great depression due to how my father treated us. But a few years ago i became a Christian and decided to forgive him. So i went to see him. When i saw the old sick man that he is now, i cried so much and forgave everything. I was able to love him at last through letting go of the hate. Now i visit regularly and i love my dad and he tells me he loves me. He is close to death and by the love of Jesus Christ i am at peace. All the years of pain have gone. So, where does the Sikh religion stand on forgiveness? I know you are a proud strong people. But there is a lot of war and fighting in your history. What did your Gurus teach and what do you personally believe? I want only truth and reasoned discussion please. I am genuinely interested in comparing christianity wirh Sikhi. Thankyou.
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    Question about the devil

    Hi I am interested in what the Sikh Holy Book says on the subject of the devil. A Sikh person told me that one of the 10 Gurus was tempted by the devil in exactly the same way that Jesus was. Is this true please? This lady says she read a very learned book about this and it is also written in the Guru Granth Sahib Holy scriptures.
  8. I have noticed a few poster's, keep questioning certain points I make about Christianity, I do not understand why people are so quick to back them. If you have not studied religion fair enough, but hey lets debate, I will start with this. In my research Christianity deals with astrotheology not spirituality. Please do not offend and if you back up your points with facts, that would be awesome.
  9. I think I just committed apostasy in sikhi. I’m kesadhari/Nitnemi and not amritdhari. long story short, a man approached me at work started to ask stuff about me which was very unusual. So he was rather nice and then he reaches out to shake my hand before leaving and I shook him and then asked me to say “Jesus, come into my heart.” Me being a dumba$$ that I am I actually said it. Now I feel really terrible. It’s 10pm at night. I feel like I betrayed guru sahib. how do I fix this mess? How do i apologize to guru sahib that I messed up and accept me back. ”jab lag Khalsa rahe niara, tab tak tej diyo Mai Sara. Jab eh Gaye bipran ki reet, Mai na Karu Inki parteet.” help me!
  10. After being tortured for 800 yrs by islam , now its cousin , another abrahamic cult is seemingly responsible for desecration of SGGS saroops in punjab. I have heard its christians who're responsible for desecration and in church , they say SGGS is a devil which should not be seen even from a distance of 10 meters and to not any kind of "parshad" which they say is infested with demons . I honestly wouldn't be surprised, as its a signature characteristic of abrahamic cults to defile other religions as of "satanic/shaitani origin" . either that, or perhaps our own dharmic cousin's fanatics (read rss) is responsible for it
  11. Ironic how the author of the 10 commandments profit moses was himself an extremist terrorist and mass murderer of israelites who chose to worship the golden calf rather than his own abrahamic cult's false blood thirsty God. And one of the key 10 commandments is though shalt not kill, what did Moses end up doing? He ordered the slaying of all israelite pagan men, women, kids and babies who had renounced the bloodthirsty abrahamic God. The christians, jews and muslims like to hide the dirty evil past sins and crimes of their heros and prophets but a little research will do wonders to expose their evil sinister cults and false god.
  12. I've just watched a film called 'Silence' directed by Martin Scorsese. It's set in sixteenth century Japan when Christianity was outlawed and people were killed if they were found to have converted. There is a scene in the film where several Japanese converts have denied their faith but are still being horrifically tortured. The Portuguese priest can stop the torture ( and their likely death) if he denounces Jesus Christ. If he gives up his faith he cannot return to it as the Japanese will force him to sign statements and desecrate icons each year to prove he is no longer Christian. If he wants to keep his faith he is forced to watch and hear his congregation suffer until they die in agony. What should a Sikh do in this context ? Should he / she give up their faith to save the lives of others ? What would the Gurus have done ? Here's the Wikipedia link to the film. It's worth watching. HTTP://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silence_(2016_film)
  13. The religious census of the UK shows that Christianity has dropped down to 60%. With a further 25% non-religious. Islam is 4% and Sikhism and Hinduism are both close to 1%.
  14. I often wondered why do Christian fundamentalists want to convert Sikhs when our numbers are not even that big compared to other world religions. I used to think it was only the Muslims that wanted to convert our people, yet there is growing evidence there is a serious push by Christian leadership to do the same. We don't have anything against Christians or their faith we do not actively try to convert them they chose to come into sikhi by their own research and initiative. There are no support networks for new converts to Sikhism even thats how crap our current missionary status is. yet for some reason the backward ideologue Christians are hell bent on trying to poison impressionable and naive punjabi Sikhs into their abrahmic faith. What is it about our faith and the geo-political agenda of Christian leadership in controlling the punjabi population and indian punjab? Because we should all know by how the western world operates it funds groups to destabilise regions around the world for their own economic and political reasons. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdTBIfMWYDg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfMqKqY7jGw
  15. The Dasam Granth states: 'Humanity is one, although in appearance it differs.' This is in direct contrast to the notion that humanity is one, but some portions of it is more superior than others due to certain beliefs and principles which it holds. Here is an example, the Koran states: 'the only religion acceptable to Allah is Islam...' We see a similar case with other religions as well. The basic crux of such ideologues are based on the notion that it is entirely feasible, and pragmatically possible to achieve an Utopia, which we now know is nothing more than sheer imbecility. What are some counter arguments which can be used against this jaundiced view of selected nation/faith etc?
  16. I have this desire to read the bible, only for recreational reasons. Would that be OK as a Sikh, or would it be wrong. I have always wanted to know what they believe, but again I'll only be reading the bible for recreational reasons
  17. Vaheguru ji ka Khalsa, Vaheguru ji ki Fateh, Sangat ji, this video is a response to www.sikhoutreach.org which is a Christian Missionary website aiming to convert Sikhs. This is not in itself what concerned us, but what did sicken us was the way that they twisted and misrepresented Gurbani in order to convince simple minded folk about Christianity. A Path of Truth should always seek to speak its own truth and not denigrate others using false statements. The claims they make are that Guru Nanak is a sinner whilst Jesus is free of sin. Anyone who has even read the Sikh scriptures at all will see the praise of Guru repeated throughout. This video is an excerpt from the Japji Sahib Katha sessions on our channel, specifically Pauri 26 where we addressed this claim. We have emailed www.sikhoutreach.org but not heard back from them. As is made clear from the video, the aim of this video is not to incite hate or violence towards the founders of that website but to educate Sikhs about an appropriate response to someone making such an argument to malign any of our Gurus. Please use your energy to help us spread the message of Sikhi rather than attack that website. Someone with strong roots and knowledge of Gurbani will never fall for such a flawed argument. Vaheguru ji ka Khalsa, Vaheguru ji ki Fateh
  18. What are your opinions on the following. I got it from the godmurders.com. Can God, who is an epitome of perfectness beyond human comprehension be so like us? What conclusion can we reach if we analyze the following in Gurmat terms? The NOTORIOUS Deuteronomy Chapter 28 Verses 20 Through 66 States Deuteronomy 28:20 God will defeat / frustrate every enterprise until you are speedily destroyed / perish. Deuteronomy 28:21 God will make disease attach to you until you are consumed. Deuteronomy 28:22 God shall smite you with consumption, inflammation, fever, extreme burning, with the sword, blasting and with mildew until you die. Dueteronomy 28:24 God will make your land powder and dust until you die. Deuteronomy 28:25 God will cause your enemies to kill you. Deuteronomy 28:26 Your carcass shall be meat for the birds and the beasts. Deuteronomy 28:27 God will give you botch, scab and itch, which can't be cured. Deuteronomy 28:28 God will smite you with madness, blindness, astonishment of heart (panic). Deuteronomy 28:30 God will have another man lie with your wife. Who? God will force your adultery? Isn't it always: The Devil made you do it? Deuteronomy 28:31 You’ll see your ox, sheep and <banned word filter activated> slain and taken from you. Deuteronomy 28:32 Your sons and daughters will be taken and you will be sad. Deuteronomy 28:33-34 You will go insane, driven mad, by what you see. Deuteronomy 28:35 God will hurt your knees, legs and from your head to toe. Deuteronomy 28:38 You will plant much, gather little due to locust. Deuteronomy 28:39 You will plant grapes, get no wine and you'll not gather them due to worms. Deuteronomy 28:41 You'll have children, not enjoy them due to child captivity. Deuteronomy 28:44 Another shall be the head, you the tail. (Torah) Deuteronomy 28:45-46 All these curses will destroy you if you don't listen and obey God, not only you but all your future children's children, forever. Deuteronomy 28:47 You must want to obey (God) with joy and be glad. At least suffer and die with a smile. Deuteronomy 28:48 You shall serve your enemies until they destroy you. Deuteronomy 28:49-50 You will war with a nation swift as the eagle flies whose language you can not understand. A sadistic nation. They have no respect for the old, no mercy for the young. Deuteronomy 28:51 They will eat your animals and crops until you are destroyed. Deuteronomy 28:53-55 You will eat the fruit of your womb, the flesh of your own sons and daughters, while begrudging your relatives any share of your children that you are using for food. Deuteronomy 28:56-57 The most refined and delicate woman will refuse her husband and children her afterbirth and infant, that comes out from between her legs, as she secretly eats them for food. Torah, KJV, Catholic Gary: Ah, let's pass on lunch. Deuteronomy 28:58-62 Do all the laws or fear the glorious and fearful name of the Lord thy God. God will make wonderful long plagues and sickness. He will throw in all the plagues of Egypt all over again. Also, every plague and disease that is not written and you will be left few in number all because you wouldn't obey. Deuteronomy 28:65 In all the nations you travel, you will find no ease, no rest. God will give you a trembling heart, failing eyes and mental sorrow. Deuteronomy 28:66 You will hang in doubt, fear day and night and have no assurance in your life. G: Do you tend to fear a friend or an enemy? Ezekiel 5:10-13 God said: Fathers shall eat sons and sons shall eat fathers. I swear to cut you down. 1/3rd shall die of pestilence and hunger. 1/3rd I will scatter and chase with the sword. Wild beasts will rob you of your children. I will wreak my fury upon them till I am appeased. I, God, have spoken in my jealousy. G: The only natural predator of mankind in The Old Testament appears to be God. Deuteronomy 32:42 God said: I will make my arrows drunk with blood, my sword shall gorge itself with flesh with the blood of the slain and captured, flesh from the heads of the enemy leaders. G: This sounds like a commercial for wrestle-mania. Behold: Here comes Moses' just reward for God's promise and all his murderous work. Deuteronomy 32:48-52 God said to Moses: Go up the mountain and look at the land I give to the children of Israel. Because you trespassed against me, you cannot enter it. KJV Moses died. G: There it is. It can't be any clearer than this. God's promise was broken to Moses, Aaron and Miriam, along with all three million of His chosen people taken out of Egypt, except for Caleb and Jacob. The Biblical God was not a capable administrator of a nation. He was not effective in maintaining harmony among His people. The promises God broke were to the very people He made them to. Mere men have been more integral. How does Moses, in reality, qualify to be a hero with his people or with his God. What did Moses attempt to succeed at but to murder men, women and their babies in order to steal their lands? Sorry for the small text u can see the big version here: http://www.thegodmur...euteronomy.html
  19. Can anyone please provide me with a list of questions which Christians might ask Sikhs and their answers. This is for a website I am making. Please help. I also asked a similar question a few days ago and got an excerpt from Sikh spectrum in which a reverend was answered about the points he raised on Sikhi. I am hoping for something more similar in a question-answer type thing.
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