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The Babe Ke gurdwara is still in turmoil more than a year after the "executive committee" perpetrated shocking levels of beadbi on the Guru Granth Sahib. Just received the following message. === Waheguru Ji Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh On Thursday 28th July, at Gurdwara Babe Ke Blackdown Leamington Spa, 2 females carried out an unprovoked assault on a 70-year-old lady, Bibi Jaswinder Kaur Dhinsay who has served the Babe Ke sangat for more than 30 years. Another female sangat member has also come forward having been verbally abused and intimidated by the same two females and this information has also been passed onto the police. This is just the latest in a long line of verbal abuse and physical assaults on members of the Babe Ke sangat. The Gurdwara cannot possibly move forward if we cannot safeguard the elderly and vulnerable, or sangat at large. The sangat has a right to feel safe and secure when attending the Gurdwara premises. As trustees (Harminder Singh Dhinsay and Surinder Kaur Sahota), we are deeply committed to placing the Gurdwara on a proper footing and to put measures in place to safeguard the sangat. We will keep you informed directly of other issues that affect the sangat and the ongoing police investigation to this assault. This issue has brought at least one more person forward who has also been the subject of assault. If you have experienced or know anyone who may have been victim to any verbal or physical abuse at Gurdwara Babe Ke at Leamington Spa, Hockley or Snitterfield, please do come forward and let Harminder or Surinder know the details so this can be passed onto the police also. Please feel free to forward this on, and ask others who wish to stay reliably informed, to contact us so that we can add them to our news list. Trustees: Surinder Kaur Sahota, and Harminder Singh Dhinsay -------- ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕਾ ਖਾਲਸਾ, ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫਤਿਹ । 28th July ਦਿਨ ਵੀਰਵਾਰ ਗੁਰਦਵਾਰਾ ਬਾਬੇ ਕੇ ਬਲੈਕ ਡਾਊਨ ਲਮਿੰਗਟਨ ਸਪਾਵਿਖੇ 2 ਔਰਤਾਂ ਨੇ 70 ਸਾਲਾਂ ਦੀ ਬੀਬੀ ਜਸਵਿੰਦਰ ਕੋਰ ਢੀਂਡਸੇ ਨਾਲ ਮੂੰਹ ਜੁਬਾਨੀ ਤੇਸਰੀਰਕ ਬਦਸਲੂਕੀ ਕੀਤੀ ਗਈ ਸੀ। ਬੀਬੀ ਜਸਵਿੰਦਰ ਕੋਰ ਢੀਂਡਸੇ ਪਿਛਲੇ 30 ਸਾਲਾ ਤੋ ਗੁਰਦਵਾਰਾ ਬਾਬੇ ਕੇ ਸੇਵਾ ਕਰਦੀਆ ਰਹੀ ਹੈ । ਇਸ ਘਟਨਾ ਤੋਂ ਪਹਿਲਾਂ ਵੀ ਕਈ ਵਾਰ ਸੰਗਤ ਦੇ ਕਈ ਹੋਰ ਮੈਂਬਰਾਂ ਨਾਲ ਵੀ ਮੂੰਹਜੁਬਾਨੀ ਤੇ ਸਰੀਰਕ ਬਦਸਲੂਕੀ ਹੋ ਚੁੱਕੀ ਹੈ। ਹੁਨ ਇਕ ਹੋਰ ਬੀਬੀ ਨੇ ਵੀ ਸਾਡੇ ਕੋਲਸ਼ਿਕਾਇਤ ਕੀਤੀ ਹੈ ਕੇ ਇੰਨਾਂ ਦੋਨਾ ਅੋਰਤਾਂ ਨੇ ੳਸ ਨਾਲ ਵੀ ਮੂੰਹ ਜੁਬਾਨੀ ਬਦਸਲੂਕੀਕੀਤੀ ਅਤੇ ਡਰਾਇਆ ਤੇ ਧਮਕਾਇਆ ਹੈ॥ ਜੇ ਅਸੀਂ ਅਪਨੀ ਸੰਗਤ ਦੇ ਬਜ਼ੁਰਗ ਅਤੇ ਕਮਜ਼ੋਰ ਮੈਂਬਰਾਂ ਦੀ ਗੁਰਦੁਆਰੇ ਦੀ ਚਾਰ-ਦਿਵਾਰੀ ਵਿਚ ਰੱਖਿਆ ਨਹੀਂ ਕਰ ਸਕਦੇ ਤਾਂ ਇਸ ਤਰਾਂ ਦੀਆਂ ਸੰਸਥਾਨਾਂ ਹੋਣ ਦਾ ਕੀਫ਼ਾਇਦਾ। ਗੁਰਦੁਆਰੇ ਵਰਗੇ ਪਵਿੱਤਰ ਅਸਥਾਨ ਤੇ ਹਰ ਇਕ ਇਨਸਾਨ ਨੂੰ ਸੇਵਾ ਤੇਸਿਮਰਨ ਕਰਨ ਦੀ ਖੁੱਲ ਹੋਣੀ ਚਾਹੀਦੀ ਹੈ ਅਤੇ ਸਾਰਿਆਂ ਨੂੰ ਸੁਰੱਖਿਅਤ ਮਹਿਸੂਸਕਰਨਾ ਚਾਹੀਦਾ ਹੈ। ਹਰਿਮੰਦਰ ਸਿੰਘ ਤੇ ਬੀਬੀ ਸੁਰਿੰਦਰ ਕੋਰ, ਟਰੱਸਟੀ ਹੋਣ ਦੇ ਨਾਤੇ, ਅਸੀਂ ਚਾਹੁੰਦੇ ਹਾ ਕੇਗੁਰਦੁਆਰਾ ਬਾਬੇ ਕੇ ਦੀ ਸੰਗਤ ਵਿੱਚੋਂ ਕੋਈ ਵੀ ਕਿਸੇ ਵੇਲੇ ਵੀ ਗੁਰਦੁਆਰੇ ਵਿਖੇ ਸੇਵਾਅਤੇ ਸਿਮਰਨ ਕਰਨ ਲਈ ਆਵੇ ਤਾਂ ਅਪਨੇ ਆਪ ਨੂੰ ਸੁਰੱਖਿਅਤ ਮਹਿਸੂਸ ਕਰੇ। ਅਸੀਂ ਤੁਹਾਨੂੰ ਯਕੀਨ ਦਬਾਉਂਦੇ ਆਂ ਕੇ ਕੋਈ ਵੀ ਅਜੇਹੀ ਗੱਲ ਜਿਸ ਦਾ ਸਿੱਧਾ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਵਜਾ ਅਸਰ ਸੰਗਤ ਤੇ ਪੈਂਦਾ ਹੈ, ਅਸੀਂ ੳਸ ਗੱਲ ਨੂੰ ਸੰਗਤਾਂ ਦੇ ਸਾਹਮਣੇ ਪੇਸ਼ ਕਰਾਂਗੇ । ਅਸੀਂ ਬੇਨਤੀ ਕਰਦੇ ਹਾਂ ਕੇ, ਜੇ ਕਿਸੇ ਹੋਰ ਸੰਗਤ ਦੇ ਮੈਂਬਰ ਨਾਲ ਵੀ ਇਹੋ ਜਹੀ ਕੋਈ ਵੀਘਟਨਾ ਹੋਈ ਹੈ, ਤਾਂ ਸਾਡੇ ਨਾਲ ਜ਼ਰੂਰ ਸ਼ੇਅਰ / ਰਿਪੋਰਟ ਕਰਨੀ ਤਾਂ ਕੇ ਅਸੀਂ ਇਸਤਰਾਂ ਦੀਆਂ ਘਟਨਾਵਾਂ ਦੀ ਪੂਰੀ ਜੜ ਤੱਕ ਜਾ ਸਕੀਐ, ਤੇ ਸੰਗਤ ਦੇ ਪੀੜਤ ਮੈਂਬਰਾਂ ਨੂਇਨਸਾਫ ਦਿਵਾ ਸਕੀਏ । ਕਿਰਪਾ ਕਰਕੇ ਇਸ ਸੁਨੇਹੇ ਨੂੰ ਅੱਗੇ ਭੇਜਣ ਲਈ ਬੇਝਿਜਕ ਮਹਿਸੂਸ ਕਰੋ, ਅਤੇ ਹੋਰਾਂ ਨੂੰਜੋ ਭਰੋਸੇਯੋਗ ਤੌਰ ਤੇ ਸੂਚਿਤ ਰਹਿਣਾ ਚਾਹੁੰਦੇ ਹਨ, ਸਾਡੇ ਨਾਲ ਸੰਪਰਕ ਕਰਨ ਲਈਕਹੋ ਤਾਂ ਜੋ ਅਸੀਂ ਉਨ੍ਹਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਆਪਣੀ ਨਿਊਜ਼ਲਿਸਟ ਵਿੱਚ ਸ਼ਾਮਲ ਕਰ ਸਕੀਏ। ਟਰੱਸਟੀ: ਸੁਰਿੰਦਰ ਕੌਰ ਸਹੋਤਾ ਅਤੇ ਹਰਮਿੰਦਰ ਸਿੰਘ ਢੀਂਡਸੇ
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Hello everyone, I had some questions about gurdwaras matrimonial services. I am 24 yr old sikh male living in UK, only recently started using the matrimonial services. My family are quite religious and well read in sikhi but I admit I am not ,however I love my religion and am essentially using the services as an extra channel in the hope of one day meeting someone. However, I'm a bit confused about something... when i see some of the things on the matrimonial lists; I feel like it kind of defeats the whole messages of our religion. For example, I read some of the preferences of the people on the matrimonial list and they write things like- I am jatt and only seeking jatt, I am doctor only seeking doctor, must be educated above masters. Isn't the whole point of our religion that we are all equal whether it is through caste, social status, social class, occupation etc? I mean I'm no expert but I believe sikhism was created because we didn't believe with the caste system in Hinduism however gurdwaras matrimonial services all over UK are blatantly promoting it. Am I the only one who thinks this way? For example, our religion was created to promote the idea a poor farmer can marry a rich person and still be equals; but the gurdwaras are not even promoting this message, they are allowing this backwards mentality and criteria to continue. Thanks
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Like the title say's really, Walsall Caldmore Gurdwara's committee decided they didn't want MLSS preparing food in the Gurdwara kitchen for the homeless, I just came across this today and to say i'm little lost for word's is an understatement, absolute disgrace. http://dailysikhupdates.com/walsall-caldmore-gurdwara-fire-stopping-langar-seva/
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Why are white Sikhs opening their own Gurdwara?
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I really miss listening to new ragi jaths at the gurdwara but because of covid no one is coming from India , iv notied that because jathas aren't coming to the uk I'm not going gurdwara often to listen to kirtan just listing online, because at my local gurudwara gng Smethwick the committee dont really change the jatha is harjit Singh metha , I really want to listen to good kirtan im willing to travel please can you tell me what kirtan jathas are in your local gurughar iv heard the uk has some good jaths who live here but there no real information please share what jathas are at your local guru ghar iv even heard that there are some hazoori ragis that live in the uk too I honestly hope that they come from india and good jaths come that can give us raag kirtan
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I had some prashaad from the Gurdwara at home and went away for a week and forgot about it. I've come back and it's now gone off/expired. What do I do?
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NOTE: This post is a work in progress Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh! Often times I hear Non-Sikhs bring up common arguments against Sikhi, and as someone who likes to create a lot online resource hubs for Sikhs, I am taking it upon myself to create a list of Q/A's. I recently got a series of arguments (posing as questions) from an anonymous user on the Sikh Reddit who was allegedly Ex-Sikh. He frequently made references to Islam, and also claimed that he had done a lot of research on his "questions", yet the questions themselves seem as if they are taken from wikipedia or some anti-sikh site. Here are some of the arguments I would like to debunk: Q: If Sikhi is against the Caste System, then why are their Caste based Gurdwara's? A: Anyone can just create a "Gurdwara" and install their own beliefs into it, that doesn't make it valid. The key part here is that this cannot be supported by the actual theology of Sikhi, and all the main Gurdwara's still allow people of lower-caste to enter. All of these so called "caste Gurdwara's" are also not backed by the Akal Takth, and are not recognized by the Khalsa Panth. Q: Why were the Gurus themselves all from the Khatri caste and married within their own caste despite preaching against such barriers? A: The very premise of this question is incorrect, Guru isnt from the Khatri caste becuase the concept of caste itself is invalid. There is no evidence to suggest that caste was involved in the marrage decision, and neither was any proposal rejected due to caste. Furthermore, the Siri Guru Granth Sahib Ji itself contains writings from people of different "castes" and backgrounds. When the Guru created the Khalsa Panth, the Panj Pyare were from different occupations, locations, and families, the entire concept of the Khalsa itself destroys the caste system. If the Guru was secretly supporting the caste sustem, he would have not created the Khalsa and passed on the Guruship. Gurbani itself is the Guru, and its anti-caste message is very clear, but it's some food for thought. Q: How about the succession of the Gurus? How do we go from the 4 first being chosen by merit and from different lineage, then suddenly it turns into a system of monarchy resulting in the succession of Guru Harkrishan Ji at such a young age who also passed away at a young age. A: "Nepotism" is defined as: The practice among those with power or influence of favoring relatives or friends, especially by giving them jobs. A lot of people like to accuse the Guru of being Nepotistic, and use it to bring down Sikhi by stating the successors of the Guru were not truly worthy of the title. The next Guru was never chosen on the basis of nepotism, and was always chosen based on Merit, the Guru tested each of his followers to see if they were worthy of the title of Guru. We are all just vessels filled with the same light, "family" is an illusion, we are all One. Although some of the Gurus did pass the Guruship on to their human sons, many did not, and even if they did, it was becuase their sons just happened to pass the test.If Sikhi allowed Nepotism, then why didnt Guru Nanak Dev Ji or many of the other Guru's pass it on to their children? Guru Nanak could have easily made Sri chand or Lakhmi Das the next Guru, the same applies with Guru Gobind Singh ji who did not have to let any of his sons sacrifice themselves for Sikhi, and could have asked them to not give Shaheedi. The fact that Guru Gobind Singh Ji established the Khalsa in 1699 before the death of all his human offsprings shows that he was going to stop the line of Human Guru's anyways. The ultimate argument against nepotism in Sikhi is the fact that the Siri Guru Granth Sahib Ji & the Khalsa Panth were made the eternal Guru. Hypothetically, even if the Guruship was passed down based solely on Nepotism, I would have no problem with it becuase it is the Guru's decision and looking back at history and how each Guru lives his life, I can say the Guru made the perfect decision. As for Guru Harkrishan Ji, the reason the Guru chose the vessel of a young boy was to show that spirituality isnt affected by age, and even a child can attain liberation. The reason Guru Harkrishan Ji physically passed away at such a young age was to exemplify shaheedi, it makes no sense for the Guru to go around curing other people of small pox, yet die from it himself. Q: why has Sikhi remained confined for the most part to the Punjabi population? A: Sikhs dont go out and actively convert people like people of Abrahamic theologies do, the Sikh community is also generally very young compared to others. This issue is already starting to change, there are already hubs of non-punjabi Sikhs thriving in places like America, Indonisia, UK, Canada, etc, and we just need time. Q: Why did/are some Sikhs converting to other religions, if Sikhi is supreme, then why would people leave it? A: The message itself is supreme, but the people themselves are not. The argument of people leaving/joining a certain religion can be made for any group. The larger abrehamic religions are the ones that generally have a higher turnover rate compared to easter Dharams. Q: why hasn’t history seen Gurus with a similar message in the West or other corners of the world? A: There are other people with similar messages, there's even some new relgion in the west called "Eckankar" which is very similar to Sikhi on certain aspects. Gurbani also contains Bani from a lot of people who lived before the physical arrival of Guru Nanak Dev Ji, who's Bani is inline with Gurmat. Q: Why is Gurbani repetitive? A: I dont know if your reading the english translation or something, but in Gurmukhi the way certain words are used has a different meaning depending on the context. Furthermore, Gurbani is also multilayered, and speaks to the mind during its different states. As for repetitiveness in message, it's important becuase Humans learn from repetition, when you were a child, your parents had to constantly call you by your name so you remember it, etc. Gurbani is not like the abrehamic texts, it is not divided by chapters, but rather by Music. Gurbani does not have dedicated sections for certain topics, becuase as a Sikh our job is not to pick and choose what we want to learn, the Guru teaches us what we need, and the format Gurbani is written in ensures its multi layered and speaks to different people at different stages in their spiritual journey. The fact that there are other Bhagats whose Bani is inline with the Guru, reinforces the Oneness of the message of Sikhi. Q: Why did the Gurus have multiple wives? At least with Islam there is a specific guidelines prescribed, a lot of Sikhs like to argue based on emotion rather than historical evidence. A: The narrative that the Gurus were polygamists is highly contestable on the basis of historical analysis, not emotion. "The story of Guru Har Rai having married seven wives, who were all sisters, is found only in one MS of Suraj Prakash and is written on unpaged leaves which are clearly an interpolation. Unfortunately this copy became the basis of the editions nowadays in vogue. Other copies mention only one marriage. Mahima Prakash, which is much older than this book, also mentions only one wife. See on this point the annotation of Bhai Vir Singh on Suraj Prakash" -Dr. Ganda Singh, Baba Teja Singh; 'A Short History of the Sikhs,' vol. i, pg. 48. Here is a good post discussing this issue As for Islam, providing specific guidelines, I hope you realize that it also provides guidelines to beat ones wife, among many other things... Q: Why so much debate over a simple matter of canon scriptures (the Dasam Granth which oddly enough contains 2 of the prayers forming the Nitnem) A: There isnt "so much" debate over this. the Anti-Dasam granth crowd is a vocal minority, and the Dasam Granth is accepted by the Khalsa Panth as a whole, and even backed by the Akal Takth. Furthermore, the Debate that does happen isnt about the nitnem banis from Dasam Granth (Jaap Sahib, Tav Prasad Savaiye, Chaupai Sahib). Overall, Sikhs have still preserved their scriptures far better than many others, and the Quran itself was never even written down by Muhammad, Jesus never wrote the Bible, etc... Q: Why is there such a controversy over vegetarianism vs meat eating? Why didnt the Guru lay our a clear guideline? A: This wasn't really an issue before the start of the modern day meat industry, but we as a community have turned it into an issue. Sikhs historically ate meat, this is a fact, the reason there is a big vegetarian movement in the Sikh community is mainly due to the modern day meat industry and the idea that Sikhs dont really need meat anymore becuase they have so many more alternatives. As for the actual theology regarding this issue, its already clearly laid out by the Guru: Sikhs are to refrain from Halal Meat, if a Sikhs is to hunt or eat meat, then they must follow the Jhatka Maryada set up by the Guru. More information and sources can be found at jhatkamaryada.com Q: Why are Sikhs encouraged to be critical thinkers, yet told not to ask questions? A: People are getting two concepts confused: its ok to question the Guru similar to how a student questions a teacher, however its discouraged to question for the sake of trying to create an arguement or disruption. Final Thoughts A deep underlying issue that motivates a lot of these arguments is the idea that if Sikhi is true, then why would it not also temporally reign supreme, and why would "bad things" happen to Sikhs if they are morally correct? The answer to this is the simply: Hukam, and the fact that "good" and "bad" dont really exist. However, the issue here is that others will see this as a cop out. I am interested in developing a more indepth response to this strain of thought. Any recommendations? Feedback If you have any suggestions, please let me know any way you can, you can also email me at TheTurbanatore@gmail.com or contact me via Reddit at reddit.com/u/TheTurbanatore
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Hi I just want to put out a reminder that all Gurdware are sacred places. Please remember that when visiting any Gurdwara. I think people are getting a bit of a lax attitude. 1. If you are going, try your best to dress cleanly and smartly, just like you would if you were going to any place you respect. Also to dress in a respectful manner. 2. Before entering, remember to enter with a humble and clean heart/attitude, with respect for Guruji and God. You should enter with you head bowed. 3. Turn off your phone or put it on silent. Keep silent and don't talk unless necessary. 4. Don't look around or take note of other people. Be polite and respectful. Don't push in front of others. 5. Don't talk whilst Gurbani or kirtan is going on unless it is necessary to do so. 6. Keep quiet whilst eating langar also. 7. Treat the building, the furniture, the facilities etc with respect. 8. Don't judge others, be disturbed by other peoples behaviour or be concerned with people who do wrong or act disrespectfully. Just concentrate on your own behaviour. Any other good points you can think of please add them.
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There was a fight in Renton Wa at the local Gurdwara. No idea what this is over, was hoping maybe someone had insight as to what is going on over there? Its apparently due to "religious difference going on within our community" and started a few weeks ago when there was another fight at Gurdwara in Kent.. Could it be related to that wedding that took place in California? https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/police-firefighters-respond-possible-assault-sikh-temple/6YMCWNFHSREE7GMH5PMO7YRRIQ/
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What is sangats opinion on graves (no headstones) on the gurdwara premises. Committee is considering buying a church and it has some burials. I personally don't think it is a big deal as long as we are respectful. The burials are out of the way and could be turned into flowerbeds etc with a hedge/fence around them.
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https://m.tribuneindia.com/news/haryana/election-for-hsgmc-president-on-august-13-114328
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how to become ragi and granthi in uk? are there any courses requirement any uk based school or is there no system and I will need to go to India
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Waheguru ji ki khalsa Waheguru ji ki fateh I have recently gotten into sikhi, it has been around 3 years since I've started wearing a dastar now I think. Since I've started I have had stages where I have been very religious and then stages where I haven't. Coming from a non religious family at all I find it hard to get guidance from someone close to me. I have two local Gurdwaras one of which I used to go to regularly however they seemed to be very Liberal and hardly any of them were gursikhs and most of them drunk alcohol and such things. The other Gurdwara I have been to a few times but they dont make me feel welcome at all they stare at me and act abnoxious to me. I have recently started going to another gurdwara outside of my town which is around a 20 minute drive but I literally know no one there and as I'm going alone it makes it a lot harder to try to meet new people and being an introverted person makes it more difficult. If anyone could suggest any ways of making new friends that are gursikhs that would be great thanks
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Hi Redoptics posted this link on another thread: https://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Bhai_Nand_Lal_Rahitnama What I found particularly interesting was this bit: The Sikh desirous of Guru’s Darshan,Should go and have the Darshan of Granth Jee,(14)After ablution early in the morning,he should judiciously undertake its three circumambulation,(15)DohiraWith folded hands he should be seated, seeking my audience,And after paying obeisance to Guru Granth Jee, listen to the celestial exposition.(16) I just thought it was an interesting (somewhat lost?) tradition to make three circumambulations of SGGS. Is this still done anywhere?
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https://www.indy100.com/article/andy-street-sikh-mosque-gurdwara-conservative-m The gaffe is a possibility as Dr Jasjit S tweet makes clear, we haven't educated others with Sikhi terminology, but wth is a n1gger Kirtan...that's a new one!!
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Beautiful old gurdwara built during the Sikh empire by Baba Bir Singh Naurangabad. Baba Bir Singh was a warrior. Most of these old Gurdwareh have been demolished. Have no idea if this Gurdwara is still standing or has been demolished.
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Which historic gurdwaras do you really want to go to? I really want to go to tarn taran sahib, I have never been, with wahegurus kirpa I will go some time in the future. It's one gurdwara that I really want to go to I have been harmandir sahib so many times but never been tarn taran sahib.
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Gurdwara Shaheed Singh Singhnia in Lahore marks the site of execution of thousands of puratan Singhs . The Gurdwara was built with efforts of UK sikhs And singhnia during Mir Mannu's time . Gurdwara marking the shaheedi of Bhai Taru Singh is also nearby . The Gurdwara is built on top of Shaheedganj mosque where execution of Sikhs used to happen.