me confused!

[H4RPAL]

I think the fact that he calls himself a Ramgharia is an issue in itself, however it is removed from the one one being discussed here. I think that may be down to the fact that the current Namdhari guru (or maybe one of the predecessors- I am unsure) is said to be from a Ramgharia background.

For this reason, there are many who describe themselves as Ramgharia, even some non Namdharis who show respect to this guru. I also understand that after the Ramgharia guru, many ramgahria joined the kuka faith.

This is what I have heard from a single source, so it is quite possible that I may be incorrect. Please forgive me if this is the case

[Guest Sony]

I've heard that term Kuka being used. can u please expand on this, as all i've heard is my parents saying Kukian dhe jana va... <_<

so these people have a seperate faith? what do they believe in?

[H4RPAL]

Kuka is just another word for Namdhari. They are so-called because of the way they do Naam-Simran- they make screaming kind of noises, or Kookan. This is where that name stems from. They also believe in a living Guru, as, using the Sau Sakhis and other unreliable sources, they suggest that Guru Gobind Singh Ji did not leave this mortal abode when he is said to, but rather lived on, and passed the Guruship on to a deh-dhari, but said he would one day return to reclaim it.

Hence, they do NOT accept Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji as Guru, although they have great respect for bani. They have not been excommunicated by Akal Takhat for their beliefs, and as such are still classed as Sikhs (if that can be considered a scale of any accuracy).

Please feel free to ask more if required

[The Khalsa Fauj]

Kukas have been excommunicated. They are banned from doin kirtan in itihaaasic Gurudwaras. Many people have left Kukadom due to this. There used to be a lot of Kukas.

[H4RPAL]

It is correct that they are not allowed to perform keertan at ithiasic Gurdwaras, but I do not believe they have been excommunicated in the strict sense of the word, as in a decree by the Akal Takhat that they are not to be associated with, etc. Did you mean excommunicated in the sense of restricted priveledges, or in the stricter sense, because I was unaware of this if the latter is the case.

[gupt_paapi]

FATEH!!

damn! help the khalsa panth go on the right path Guru Ji!

THese divides would prevent the Khalsa Panth from being in complete chardi kala.

Nanak Naam Chardi Kala Tere Bhane Sarbat Da Bala <_<

FATEH!

[Khalsa Fauji]

Gurfateh!!

Sikh Reht Maryada (http://www.sgpc.net/rehat_maryada/section_one.html)

Section I

CHAPTER 1

The Definition of Sikh :

Article I

Any human being who faithfully believes in

i. One Immortal Being,

ii. Ten Gurus, from Guru Nanak Sahib to Guru Gobind Singh Sahib,

iii. The Guru Granth Sahib,

iv. The utterances and teachings of the ten Gurus and v. the baptism bequeathed by the tenth Guru, and who does not owe allegiance to any other religion, is a Sikh

Gurfateh!!

[Princess]

Kuka is just another word for Namdhari. They are so-called because of the way they do Naam-Simran- they make screaming kind of noises, or Kookan. This is where that name stems from. They also believe in a living Guru, as, using the Sau Sakhis and other unreliable sources, they suggest that Guru Gobind Singh Ji did not leave this mortal abode when he is said to, but rather lived on, and passed the Guruship on to a deh-dhari, but said he would one day return to reclaim it.

Hence, they do NOT accept Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji as Guru, although they have great respect for bani. They have not been excommunicated by Akal Takhat for their beliefs, and as such are still classed as Sikhs (if that can be considered a scale of any accuracy).

Please feel free to ask more if required

91209[/snapback]

i wuz jus wondering...

wen we went to india 2 summers ago we visited a place

my dad's bhua lived there (a place for old folks)

my dad's father wuz a Namdhari

and so is his sister

every1 is saying that Namdharis don't accept Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji but wen i went there

my dad's bhua (whose ovr a 100 yrs old) wuz readin from Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji w/o glasses or nethin

i thought they didnt accept? or do u guyz mean that they look to Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji as well but they believe in a living Guru ?

i forget the name of the place ... but its a well known place and alot of Sikh scholars go there wen theyre studyin Namdharis...

[H4RPAL]

Gurfateh!!

Sikh Reht Maryada  (http://www.sgpc.net/rehat_maryada/section_one.html)

Section I

                                                    CHAPTER 1

The Definition of Sikh :

  Article I

Any human being who faithfully believes in

i. One Immortal Being,

ii. Ten Gurus, from Guru Nanak Sahib to Guru Gobind Singh Sahib,

iii. The Guru Granth Sahib,

iv. The utterances and teachings of the ten Gurus and v. the baptism bequeathed by the tenth Guru, and who does not owe allegiance to any other religion, is a Sikh

Gurfateh!!

91224[/snapback]

Thank you for that, but the question is are they formally excommunicated or not. I do not believe there has been any formal excommunication.

[gupt_paapi]

LOL an observation:

"Section I

CHAPTER 1

Article I"

THE FIRST EVER RULE...hmm n sikhs tend 2 disobey dat

if dat is dun to the very first rule..wot abt the rest?!

o teri.. <_<

bhul chuk maaf