Creating Khalsa Panchayat in UK & Canada

[sher_panjabi]

Vaaheguroo ji ka khaalsa, Vaaheguroo ji ki fateh

In the UK recent issues which have been raised by the Naujawans:

* Bhangra and Namdhari Banners in Nagar Kirtan

* Business' abusing Sikhi by having posters and calendars made with pictures of Sri Harmandar Sahib and depictions of the Gurus and also using Nagar Kirtans as an oppurtunity to do sewa with business logos stamped on everything (is this sewa?)

* Slough Gurdwara Committee not supporting the Sikh Youth, the Sikh School and trashing the committee election process which took 10 minutes and was doing in according to Gurmat.

* Smethwick Gurdwara elections witnessed violence and one political party got drunk mone from the nearby pub to come inside the diwaan hall and beat up some gursikhs - the police was called in.

* Many Gurdwara committees are being run by non-Amritdharis and include some individuals which are not practicing Sikhs nor do they "believe" in Sikhi (i.e. they hate Amritdharis and don't believe in importance of Amrit). We do ardaas everyday "Gurdwaarian di sewa sambaal da daan khaalsa ji noo baksho". However, many Gurdwaras are not run by the Khalsa and hence we have anti-Gurmat activities permitted.

* Guru Arjan Dev Ji Shaheedi Sports Tournament being held in East London. However, the event like previous years is an excuse for non-Gursikhs to get together eat Langar, and then eat meat and drink sharab which is stored in the back of the cars. Problems of alcohol abuse and rubbish scattered everywhere in the name of Guru Arjan Dev ji?

* The propagation of "Sanatan Tradition" view of Sikhi (Sikhi of the times of the Hindu Mahants) to young impressionable Sikhs. Shastar Viddiya classes have been set up across UK which is headed by 'Nihung' Niddar Singh who preaches and promotes of view of Sikhi which is based in the times of Hindu Mahants and contrary to Gurmat. These group of individuals with help of their supporters have starting seminar series in universities.

What is the solution?

Is creating a Khalsa Panchayat in the UK (and one in Canada) of chardikala rehatvaan Gursikhs who are well-versed in Gurmat and Gurbaani a possible solution?

Please share your vichaar.

bhul chuk maaf,

[Guest Akaal108]

I made a post earlier on sanatan sikh vs sanatan mat.

Please take few minutes to read this:..

just to clear confustion.

Title - Sanatan Sikhi Vs Sanatan Mat.

Ok reason for my post is to help people understand these two terms and how they are different.

There is been lot of negative talks about the term "Sanatan".

The prefix "Sanatan Sikhi" is used mostly from the adhyatamic perspective (spiritual). It simply means eternal sikhi.

quotes to back it up from sikh scriptures both siri guroo granth sahib and sarbloh granth:

‘From seeing angels of death [fearing death] now I see but Ram [Ramachandar/Nirankar God].

My suffering has fled and comfort taken abode [in my heart].

Those denying God [the five senses], have become noble [having acknowledged Nirankar God].

Now I have attained complete bliss.

I have been cooled [mind settled] when I appreciated Gobind [God].

In the body are found innumerable troubles.

Now, spontaneously in comfort, I am absorbed in God.

I have recognized my true self.

Now no ailment of the three fevers affects me.

Now my mind has changed and become Sanatan.

Now I appreciate [Truth] having died whilst alive [meaning being unaffected by temptations of the world].

Says Kabir, in comfort spontaneously be absorbed in God.

I fear no one, nor am I intimidated by anyone.’

Siri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Raag Gauri, Pa.326-327

Traditions that are Sanatan are the ancient Dharma whose virtues the Vedas sing.

That [sanatan] Brahm [all pervasive God] highest God,

Sarbloh, is known as king of all demigods.’

‘Sarbloh Granth’, Vol. 2. Chapter Five, Pa.549

Siri Sarbloh consider as Sanatan.’

‘Sarbloh Guru Durbar’, Vol. 2. Chapter Five, Pa.196

Now defination of Sanatan Mat:

I was reading Akaal Ustat english translations by Surinder Singh Kohli. page- 39 in his book.

Came across to this verse.

Kaie Dev Ad Kumar, Kaie Kirsan Bisan Avtar ||

Created many gods, and Adi Kumars, sons of brahma (Sanak, Sanndan, Sanatan and Sanat Kumar), many Krishnas and incarations of Vishnu.

Sanatan Matt was created by son of bhrama. Sanatan Mat does not have anything to do with Gurmat.

Gurmat does not equal to Sanatan Matt

However Gurmat equal sanatan sikhi because it's enternal.

Anyone can be sanatan Sikh ..mind you it's not a sect or a brand..it's has it's eternal meaning.

Now main issue-

- Do Nihangs from UK use Sanatan sikhi term as eternal or create another brand within sikhi (ie- Sanatan Matt/traditional).

Answer: Some Nihangs from uk consider Sanatan Sikhi as eternal, not traditional and consider it's more of a spiritual term than actual brand or sect/orders BUT some DON'T and consider sanatan as traditional because they misinterperated Sanatan Sikhi as Sanatan Matt (distinctive group).

Remember Sanatan matt is completely opposite of Gurmat.

One who follow Gurmat and can not alinged themselve to Sanatan Matt but they can surely aling themselves as "Sanatan Sikh" because it's eternal.

Because it means eternal..if we look at the ultimately and study from those quotes above under sanatan sikhi then every one of us is sanatan not traditionally but spiritually because we follow sikhi of nirankar..we follow bani which is from dhuro(divine message) - Dhur Ki bani.

Reason i m clarifying is because of this hatred towards sanatan word itself...and that's not right..one has to make distincation between sanatan sikhi and sanatan matt.

so please guys don't just hate word sanatan sikhi because it's means more than you think it means..it means eternal, not tradition.

defination of eternal :Being without beginning or end

Ikongkar satnam karta purkh nirbhau nirvair akaal murat ajoni sahibang Gurparsad ||

Jap Ad such, jugad sach, hai bhi sach nanak hosbhi sach ||

[ms514]

Sat Sri Akal:

Now that is a good idea. Take for instance the idea of excommunicating Badal. It ain't going to happen in India. But if you have selected Panj Pyare that everyone is willing to follow (important part that a majority of Sikhs must approve of them) theie decision will hold huge weight. If they were to boot Badal, there ain't much that anyone could do to reverse that decision, as they ARE the Guru.

Certainly time to establish the religious authorities in the Diaspora. Heck, what is really needed is a Thakat in all the countries for administrative purposes (nobody said that Sikhs could could only have 5 Thakats).

[soldier_khalistani]

def agree singh

slough it bad times

comitee a real flop and dont support the youth for NOTHING.

i totallly agree with sher punjabi a Khalsa Panchayat in the UK (and having alot of youth input.youth need a voice)

[Balait_da_Sher]

This is quite important i think. Although it would be good to have a central authority in each country, right now lets say "Uk" aka Khalsa Panchayat, it would need to be made sure that they dont become currupt.

Mind you , thats almost like Bhishops and arch bishops and cardinals etc of Christain church hanna?

I think this kind of ssytem would ensure that no one party has too much power or too little.

KhalsaPanchayt on the web as well

[Bijla Singh]

I see a problem with having a takhat in every country. First of all, there is only ONE takhat created by Guru Ji which is Akal Takhat. All other four came afterwards. Akal Takhat is the center of Sikh politics. having takhat in every country will result in something similar to catholics and protestants and something similar to patna sahib vs. akal takhat which happened fairly recently. If there is only one Takhat of Akal then every Sikh in every country is attached to Akal Takhat Sahib. Otherwise, Sikhs in USA will hold USA Takhat higher than Canadian takhat which will divide up the community even more. One center government seems perfect. more khlara means more divisions and more fights. just look at 12 misls. history speaks for itself. having a takhat in USA would mean that Akal Takhat will fall out of the loop and Sikhs in USA will only turn to USA Takhat. In long run it will do harm to Sikhi. Sikhs living in western countries for 3-4 generations already don't have any regards for Akal Takhat. USA Takhat will do the same after 50-60 years.

I do think that Panj Pyare of Akal Takhat can setup of committees in different countries that work directly under the authority of Akal Takhat and every month or so send reports back to Akal Takhat Sahib about their work and progress. These committees can do parchaar and represent Sikhs in USA. This way Akal Takhat is representing Sikhs directly and doesn't fall out of the loop. Akal Takhat Sahib is above all and supreme of all. Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

[Guest Akaal108]

I do think that Panj Pyare of Akal Takhat can setup of committees in different countries that work directly under the authority of Akal Takhat and every month or so send reports back to Akal Takhat Sahib about their work and progress. These committees can do parchaar and represent Sikhs in USA. This way Akal Takhat is representing Sikhs directly and doesn't fall out of the loop. Akal Takhat Sahib is above all and supreme of all. Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

That's sound ever better idea.