Gurbani - Japuji Sahib

[Balbir Singh]

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakal!

Dear Gurbani Lovers!

I have a curiosity.

In Japuji Sahib after Guru's Vaak "hai bhee sach naanak hosee bhee sach" number '1' occurs.

The same number '1' occurs again after Guru's Vaak "hukam rajaa-ee chalnaa naanak likhi-aa naal"

Please explain what the use of same number '1' indicates at both the places?

I will be grateful.

Balbir Singh

[ms514]

Sat Sri Akal:

This reasoning may introduce controversy, but it may also be a solution to a controversy (though scholars have not debated this to a conclusion). I would also like to add that I do not intend to make this post a seed for argumentation...just presenting some views that actually explain the notation.

It relates to the separation of the Mool Mantar from the body of the Japji Sahib. As per Damdami Taksal, the number 1 after "Nanak Hosee Bi Sach" denotes the end of the Mool Mantar. The number 1 after Hukam Rajaai Chalnaa Nanak Likhiya Naal" denotes the end of the first pauri of Japji Sahib. It serves to notate the ending of the Mool Mantar and the first pauri of Japji Sahib.

The link below shall present the summary above in greater detail:

http://www.gursikhijeevan.com/media/video/.../MoolManatr.wmv

[Balbir Singh]

Satsriakal ms514 Ji!

Thanks for your efforts.

My curiosity is not about the beginning or ending of the Mool-Mantar or its separation from the body of the Japuji Sahib.

It is anyway surprising that some Sikhs have given the title 'Mool-Mantar' to the beginning part of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji and now they are discussing where it ends.

The word 'Mool-Mantar' occurs in Gurbani but in a different context.

There are some verses in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji those begin with a stanza numbered '1'. The following stanza is again numbered '1'.

Japuji Sahib is one example of it.

My curiosity is to know what message Gurdev has conveyed by doing this.

Perhaps Sikh scholars have researched on this topic.

Balbir Singh

[`KuMi´]

I fort it was the pooreee?

[sher_panjabi]

Below is Professor Sahib Singh Ji's translation of Japji Sahib (from

http://www.gurugranthdarpan.com/0001.html)

<> siqnwmu krqw purKu inrBau inrvYru

Akwl mUriq AjUnI sYBM gurpRswid ]

ArQ :- Akwl purK ie`k hY, ijs dw nwm 'hoNd vwlw' hY jo isRStI dw rcnhwr hY, jo sB ivc ivAwpk hY, BY qoN rihq hY, vYr-rihq hY, ijs dw srUp kwl qoN pry hY, (Bwv, ijs dw srIr nws-rihq hY), jo jUnW ivc nhIN AwauNdw, ijs dw pRkwS Awpxy Awp qoN hoieAw hY Aqy jo siqgurU dI ikrpw nwl imldw hY[

not-ieh auprokq guris`KI dw mUl-mMqr hY [ ies qoN AgWh ilKI geI bwxI dw nwm hY 'jpu' [ ieh g`l cyqy r`Kx vwlI hY ik ieh mUl-mMqr v`KrI cIz hY qy bwxI 'jpu' v`KrI hY [ sRI gurU gRMQ swihb dy SurU ivc ieh mUl-mMqr iliKAw hY, ijvyN hryk rwg dy SurU ivc BI iliKAw imldw hY [ bwxI 'jpu' l&z 'Awid scu' qoN SurU huMdI hY [ Awsw dI vwr dy SurU ivc BI iehI mUl-mMqr hY, pr 'vwr' nwl ies dw koeI sMbMD nhIN hY, iqvyN hI ie`Qy hY [ 'jpu' dy ArMB ivc mMglwcrn dy qOr qy iek slok aucwirAw igAw hY [ iPr ‘jpu’ swihb dIAW 38 pauVIAW hn[

]jpu]

ies swrI bwxI dw nwm 'jpu' hY [

Awid scu jugwid scu ]

hY BI scu nwnk hosI BI scu ]1]

ArQ :- hy nwnk! Akwl purK mu`F qoN hoNd vwlw hY, jugW dy mu`F qoN mOjUd hY [ ies vyly BI mOjUd hY qy AgWh ƒ BI hoNd vwlw rhygw [1[

not-ieh Slok mMglwcrn vjoN hY [ ies ivc gurU nwnk dyv jI ny Awpxy ieSt dw srUp ibAwn kIqw hY, ijs dw jp ismrn krn dw aupdyS ies swrI bwxI 'jpu' ivc kIqw igAw hY [

ies qoN AgWh bwxI 'jpu' dw mzmUn SurU huMdw hY [

"Aad Sach Jugaad Sach, Hai Bhi Sach, Nanak Hosi Bhi Sach" is a 'Solakh' (couplet).

The Salokh also appears in Sri Sukhmani Sahib (only difference is "Bhee" is "Bhi" in the Sukhmani Sahib Salokh)

The Number ||1|| is used with the Salokh... so it illustrates that this is a salokh. and the ||1|| after "Nanak Likhiyaa Naal" is to illustrate the first PAUREE (stanza).

[Balbir Singh]

Satsriakal to all and Sher Panjabi Ji!

Thanks for your references.

May I ask from where Professor Sahib Singh Ji got the idea to title the beginning of Japuji Sahib 'Mool-Mantar'?

In my view, the true experience of JAP is the only way to know what Gurbani is. It is not the translation of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji from anyone.

Let us go through the example of the translation. You have referred, from Professor Sahib Singh Ji.

Guru's Baanee is "aad sach jugaad sach. hai bhee sach naanak hosee bhee sach." SGGS page 1

Prof. Sahib Singh Ji's translation is "Akaal Purakh mudh ton hond waalaa hai . . ."

May I ask which word he has translated as 'Akaal Purakh' here?

Is there any difficulty to translate Gurbani as it is, word by word? And let the Gurbani be understood by every individual according to his conscious level of mind.

Balbir Singh