Should We Jap Raam?

[singhni]

go(n)add mehalaa 5 ||

Gond, Fifth Mehl:

raam raam sa(n)g kar biouhaar ||

Deal and trade only with the Lord, Raam, Raam.

raam raam raam praan adhhaar ||

The Lord, Raam, Raam, Raam, is the Support of the breath of life.

raam raam raam keerathan gaae ||

Sing the Kirtan of the Praises of the Lord, Raam, Raam, Raam.

ramath raam sabh rehiou samaae ||1||

The Lord is ever-present, all-pervading. ||1||

sa(n)th janaa mil bolahu raam ||

Joining the humble Saints, chant the Lord's Name.

sabh thae niramal pooran kaam ||1|| rehaao ||

This is the most immaculate and perfect occupation of all. ||1||Pause||

raam raam dhhan sa(n)ch bha(n)ddaar ||

Gather the treasure, the wealth of the Lord, Raam, Raam.

raam raam raam kar aahaar ||

Let your sustenance be the Lord, Raam, Raam, Raam.

raam raam veesar nehee jaae ||

Never forget the Lord, Raam, Raam.

kar kirapaa gur dheeaa bathaae ||2||

In His Mercy, the Guru has revealed this to me. ||2||

raam raam raam sadhaa sehaae ||

The Lord, Raam, Raam, Raam, is always our help and support.

raam raam raam liv laae ||

Embrace love for the Lord, Raam, Raam, Raam.

raam raam jap niramal bheae ||

Through the Lord, Raam, Raam, Raam, I have become immaculate.

jnm jnm ky iklibK gey ]3]

janam janam kae kilabikh geae ||3||

The sins of countless incarnations have been taken away. ||3||

does this mean we should jap raam?

[mann_kaum_layee_qurbaan]

raam in this shabad refers to nirankaar, akaal purakh or waaheguru. Not the raam in the ramayan who was born and died. Sikhs worship the formless lord god who is never boen and never dies. You have to understand the context of what the guru sahibs were saying. When guru sahib spoke to hindus he spoke in terms they would understand. If you do darshan of SGGS you will notice that guru sahib repeatedly explains that he doesn't believe in the ram of ramayan....

basically the shabad says medidate on God. raam(not the ramayan dude), Allah, waaheguru=GOD.

[WGJKKWGJKF]

WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

I would just like to expand on what the brother/sister above has just said.

Thousands of years before the Hindu got Rama was born, the name for God (like Waheguru, Allah, Om) was Raam.

So in Gurbani when ever it mentions meditate on Raam etc, its talking about meditate on the formless God (not the Hindu idol Rama).

Sister also notice the spelling differnces aswell in the Hindu God Rama and Raam.

I hope that helped.

WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

[singhni]

hanji, so in essence that means that the word "raam" is actualy a reference to "Vaheguru".hana?

[curious_man]

raam = ramya hua (absorbed everywhre) so its not Ram(the mahapurush)

gopaal = go + paal = earth + caretaker (the one who takes care of earth) so its not krishna (the mahapurush)

:e:

[Balbir Singh]

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakal!

Dear WGJKKWGJKF Ji!

You wrote "So in Gurbani when ever it mentions meditate on Raam etc, its talking about meditate on the formless God (not the Hindu idol Rama)."

It is true. But why Hindu idol Rama enters in our mind when we want to meditate on Raam.

You also wrote "Sister also notice the spelling differnces aswell in the Hindu God Rama and Raam."

Gurbani praises both 'Raam Naam' and 'Raamaa'.

"jah jah daykh-a-u tah tah raamaa." SGGS page 873

Wherever I look there is Raamaa.

"khin meh binsai sabh jhooth mayray man Dhi-aa-ay raamaa." SGGS page 723

In a moment are forgotten all my lie mind contemplates Raamaa.

"mayray man bhaj raam naamai raamaa." SGGS page 799.

My mind! Chant Raam's name Raamaa.

"raam raamaa raam ramaa kanth ur Dhaaree-ai." SGGS page 925

Incurs 'Raam Raamaa Raam Raamaa' in heart via the throat.

"sabhai ghat raam bolai raamaa bolai." SGGS page 988

In all bodies Raam speaks Raamaa speaks.

Balbir Singh

[ms514]

Sat Sri Akal:

Raam is the Sanskriti word for what ramya is in Punjabi. Raam is implying in that verse that wherever I look, you are residing.

[crayzy]

these names are all adjectives - when they are used in Sikhi they refer to the literal meaning of the word.

[crayzy]

these names are all adjectives - when they are used in Sikhi they refer to the literal meaning of the word.

thats how i see it anyway

[Balbir Singh]

Satsriakal to all and ms514 Ji!

It is nice to hear from you.

You wrote "Raam is the Sanskriti word for what ramya is in Punjabi."

In my view, there is a difference between 'Raam' and 'ramya'. Raamaa dwelling in all is recognized as 'Rama-eeaa'.

In your next last sentence you wrote "Raam is implying in that verse that wherever I look, you are residing."

We cannot translate 'Raamaa' 'you'.

Un till 'you' exists, the other (duality) exists also.

Raamaa reveals. Duality disappears.

Balbir Singh