Jump to content

Questions


*B*
 Share

Recommended Posts

Women are required to cover their hair at all times, either wit a patka (bandaana) or a keski/dastaar (turban). For some reason its required for a men and optional for a women, which i dont believe either but thats how its written .. BUT.. mre and more girls are adopting the turban nowadays.

Sikhism is one of the few religions that stress equality between men and women and considers no one higher or lower than one another. Unfortunely, like any other religion, its WRITTEN but not PRACTISED by all. So unfortunetely you will see lots of mixed views is that because peple like to start their own side to things.

SIkhi is meant to be simple.. we had 10 gurus .. each of them had their own things to say, of which the first 5 and 9th, sacred scriptures are composed in the guru granth sahib ji, which we believe to be an actual person (rather than just a 'book') and to be the 11th and final guru!

After our last guru past away in 1708 (guru gobind singh), he said to everyone 'guru maneyo granth' .. which means your next guru is sri guru granth sahib ji.

In 1699 .. like a singh mentionedbefore .. guru gobind singh ji arranged a initiation ceremony of the KHALSA (pure ones) like a baptised ceremony .. he asked for heads of 5 people .. those 5 that were destined to stand up and give their head did. Tens of thousands of people estimated to have taken amrit that day. It is required for all sikh to have the 5 K's kanga(comb), kes(full unshorn hair on anypart of ur body),kirpan, kara (iron bracelet), and kacheraa (long breachers).

Women had fought along side as men during the touch times in india of mughal empire invasions. They can do anything a man is entitled to do, as they are equal to a man.

For your question .. if you can convert..

Anyone can convert into sikhism. I encourage you to learn more about your religion as well though .. as christianity is a beautiful religion itself you just gotta dig further. But if you dont find what your looking for in there, i would then suggest do some more research in sikhism and if sikhi is the best for you then go for it. Amrit is something that is a bond for the rest of your life, so only if your 200% sure you wont break your sikhi routine, then gofor it.

The path is straight but their are many obstacles in the way that we must try to avoid and not get trapped in. Rest is upto you and how strong you are as a person :lol:

Vaheguroooo pray.gif

Link to comment
Share on other sites

So, women do everything but the turban?

Kesh, Kirpan, Kara, Kangha, right?

How would a Christian convert to Sikhism? How do you take amrit? Am i even allowed to convert if i'm white or a Christian?

154886[/snapback]

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa. Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh.

women in sikhism also wear Dastars (turbans).

there are many who do.

and many who dont.... :cool:

"Saabat Soorat Dastar Sira."

since Gurbaani is for everyone, it clearly states that we should tie a Dastar.

but....no one should be forced....

truth is..i dont understand why girls dont want to wear the Dastar first place...Guru ji gave sikhs an identity...all sikhs! ...no matter what gender..

i know that some girls arent ready for it.....but i dont understand why some girls say that they wont ever wear it...

ITS OUR CROWN! :lol:

i hope that i havent hurt anyone :cool:

peace...

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa. Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

So...a turban is a dastar? And it's optional for women (they could wear a patka instead)?

I think the reason i'm leaving Christianity is because of my family. They believe anyone who hasn't been "saved" and "baptised" in THEIR way is going to hell. I have trouble believing that. If God wanted us to be the same, why would he make us all so different? Shouldn't we celebrate that?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

THe issue on dastar is rather contraversial.

The way i see it, there's only 1 rehit, one way of life for all Sikhs. If a man does something, so does his wife. I do something, so does my sister. The rehit does not differ because of who you are.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

So...a turban is a dastar? And it's optional for women (they could wear a patka instead)?

I think the reason i'm leaving Christianity is because of my family. They believe anyone who hasn't been "saved" and "baptised" in THEIR way is going to hell. I have trouble believing that. If God wanted us to be the same, why would he make us all so different? Shouldn't we celebrate that?

155720[/snapback]

my post looks long..but its not...hehe...its not boring...or at least i dont think it is :lol: tongue.gif

GurFateh.

well...people say that its optional...but if you look at the facts, you'll see that in Gurbaani (the holly words of the Sikh Gurus) it does not state at any point that a female Sikh has an option to wear a dastar, where a male does not. and it also doesnt say anywhere in Gurbaani that a man has a choice to wear it or not. think of it this way:

a baptized female Sikh is not wearing a Dastar, and someone who doesn't know much about the purpose of Dastars (the meaning behind it) asks her "Why aren't you wearing it?"

and she says "Cuz i don't want to." or maybe some other reason... the learner (which we all are) asks her "So why do guys have to wear it?"

now how is she supposed to respond to that? i would think that she would be stuck...not knowing how to respond.

ya see...

our Gurus made us equal. there is/are (a) reason/reasons for everything our Gurus taught us. i think everyone knows why some girls dont wear it.

...and i dont really want to get into that cuz it may offend someone.

maybe the girls want to look more like other girls......?

maybe theyre not ready for it.

but the truth is...in Sikhism, if a male is asked to something by the Guru, the female should follow. if the female is asked to do something by the Guru, the male should follow.

why dont guys just let down their hair?

sounds funny....but think about it....does it really suit a Sikh?

there are guys out there (non-Sikh) who have hair that goes lower than their ears and they show it.. like i mean they just let it loose.

and thats style for some people. thats why they do it. they like it.

so im guessing ***dont quote me on this please*** im just guessing that the girls who are baptized into Sikhism dont wear the Dastars because maybe they want to stay in style??? :cool:

or maybe they think that someone will make fun of them.

or maybe their parents dont let them.

or maybe they want to so bad...but theyre not strong enough to.

or maybe they cant live without their hair put down....?

or maybe they dont know what the reason behind wearing the Dastar is. (i didnt know the reason. and when i found out that there were reasons, i decided to wear it once i would take Amrit.)

so we have to look far... everyone does things according to their thoughts, their lifestyle, their parents, their beliefs, etc.

If a female is equal to a male in the eyes of God, why does she hold back on doing something like wearing a Dastar when she is baptized into Sikhism?

females fight and fight to get equal rights.

i look at it this way:

if we, female Sikhs, didnt have the right to read Gurbaani in public (Sangat) wouldn't we be upset and demand to have the right to do so?... i know i would.

now why would we think about opposing one of the freedoms (wearing Dastars) that our Guru jis and Sikhsm offers?

there could be many reasons for a girl choosing not to wear a Dastar.

but the conclusion is that...

whatever the Sikh Gurus said... was for both males and females.

if our Guru jis said that a Sikh should wear a Dastar, then we should all wear it. and of course...there are reasons behind everything the our Guru jis have taught us.

nowhere in Gurbaani does it say "The male Sikhs should wear Dastars."

it always says "Sikh" 'one who has choesn to follow the teachings of the Guru.'

i really didnt want to offend anyone...so if i did, please forgive me. pray.gif

peace...

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa. Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...
 Share

  • advertisement_alt
  • advertisement_alt
  • advertisement_alt


  • Topics

  • Posts

    • There is nothing wrong with starched pagg. The Guru is omniscient (all-knowing). You think he doesn't know our intentions? If somebody wears a starched pagg but still respects it as a crown then whats wrong with that? People think that starch automatically makes people lose their respect for their pagg but thats just false.  And dont make this a caste thing I’m Rajput Jatt sikh (not an ounce of Tarkhan or anything else) and we all starch our INDIAN style punjabi paggs (patiala shahi), but respect them as our crowns and our literal lives. A respected starch pagg is better by far than a freshly tied one which people just disrespect. And people forget that these are not ready made or pre-tied turbans. You still tie them initially but just of course not as frequently. What’s wrong with that?  When your relationship is that strong with the Guru then you know what he means. Speak to him directly, explain why and ask him if it’s okay. Btw I know people who dont starch their turbans (all punjabi/morni style btw) and they just wear it again the next day without tying it if they have toed it really nicely the day before. 😂 You cant really even tell who had tied it and who just wore it again without starch. At least we’re open about it. Bhul chuk maaf    
    • Its called a “fifty” becuase when Singhs were fighting in the British army, they would recieve an 8 metre pagg, with a cour four base, because the base layer was half (50%) of the main turban, it’s called a fifty. The practise of tying a keski under your main one is now seen as pretty weird (except for a patka), but the small coloured strip inder the pagg is still used as a fashion statement since its pretty visually appealing. And so, people now just tie a small little “kung-fu strip” sort of thing under their pagg to imitate that effect.
    • Found how to do it. For anybody else wondering, heres how. No one even helped me btw. So much for Guru Ji’s lhalsa always ready to help (and having their Singhs’ backs smh). (Notes: Aim to do this on a hot summer’s day, and dedicate a full day to this, since you only have to do this once every 4 months at least (normally the turban will stay in shape until you wish to untie it and physically pull it open again). This helps it to dry faster, since you have to starch it, HALF DRY IT, pooni it, tie it and then wear it for around four hours for the rest of it to dry, all in the same day. It’s a one day process but it serves you for months). This works for both the UK/Kenyan style (starch is best for this style) as well as the normal Punjabi paghs (such as Patiala shahi, wattan wali and morni paghs). Not sure about dumallas though. Probably not . Pagg Starch: 1) Boil 6 cups of water in a saucepan on low heat (always low heat) 2) Seperately dissolve 4 tablespoons of maida (all purpose flower) with a little water until it is 100% smooth.  You could also use rice or corn starch. Add more water if it is not a smooth liquid 3) Once completely smooth, pour this mixture through a strainer (to make it even smoother) into the boiling water. 4) Now continuously stir it until it goes completely see through. Keep on stirring it on the low heat until it goes totally transparent (it can take a little while to cook, but the pagg will last you for months!) It will at become a thick paste first, but keep stirring until it becomes see through and thinner.    5) Once it’s transparent, pour the starch (again through a strainer) into a big enough, clean bucket to cool down. 6) Once cool, take a clean, dry turban and completely and mix it in with the starch for around 5 minutes. Make sure that it is all evenly and completely soaked and wet with the starch. (Most people use mal-mal material, but I use full voile and I have used Rubia too. They’re all fine. Maybe use Rubin for smaller turbans and mal mal for larger ones) 7) Leave it out in the sun to HALF DRY ONLY!!!!!!! (Don’t ever let your starched turban fully dry before you tie it. If you do, then you will have to spray/ sprinkle water on it which will weaken the starch and ruin the turban) ONLY HALF DRY THE TURBAN IN THE SUN!!! 😎 Once HALF DRY ONLY take the now semi damp turban, and fold/pooni and then tie it like normal (straight on your head, with no base layer such as a Keski or patka underneath). Leave it on your head for around 4 hours just to fully dry and it will be ready and set for months now. Like I said, do try to tie your dastar every day, but if you can’t or really don’t want to, I hope this helps! Like I said this works on both the traditional Punjabi/Indian style paggs, and the more recent UK/Kenyan style paggs. It does for my morni pagg, but the first larr slips up in to the pagg. This is normal dw. Wjkk, Wjkf
    • I guess easier ways of learning have taken precedence. There are so many Youtube channels and podcasts available that people are more ready to listen for knowledge at their own leisure. There are so many great kathas available online that take months to listen, so that people may not really get the time to come here and write.
    • *Bump The current conflict (w/ Iran getting involved) is being orchestrated by a 3rd party in my opinion. We all are going to blame the Jewish community (how they run the banks, how they are brutal and etc.) but they have a point in this conflict.  As soon as people start finding about the truth that's when the real movement will begin. 
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

Terms of Use