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Kirpan Keski?

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Guest _singh_

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what makes a kirpan a kirpan? does it need to have exact shape 2 b classed as 1? or can any curved blade b classed as 1??

and what makes a keski a keski? cant a patkha be classed as keski? or duz it have a minimum length or wraps?? (not creating keski kakkar debate, just need 2 know answers for these!)

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please some one help? i am currently using a normal knife as my kirpan, not sure if its ok. (not amrit dari yet)

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I don't think there are any absolute written specifications on either.

For your Kirpan it must be made of Sarbloh (all iron). It should be of a traditional Indian style, not a modern western Bowie knife, etc.

For your Keski it should be of colours kesri, blue, white or black. I personally would say it should at least be a good few laRs around your head. Perhaps 5. A Patka or Bandana is not acceptable as a Keski. A Keski is essentially a short Dastar. It must be tyed round the head the same way a dastar is.

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Guest Lohgarh Singh

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ahh man ppl keep it simple

keski - a style of turban

kirpan - dagger

simple as

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just wanted to add that ive seen some bibiyan with their heads covered with a material size of a rumalla.....(not causing any offence as i dont know much myself)

they bring the two corners of the material behind their head and tie it and tuck the other bits inside the knot...is that classed as a keski aswelll...am confused because the posts say the keski should be wrapped around the head....

hope you underdstood what i was tryin to say :wub: @

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"Lohgarh Singh" if you are not aware of the Rehat then it is not a good idea to comment and confuse people.

The Panj Kakkar given from Guru Sahib are not just regular objects but five Gifts which Guru Sahib has blessed us with which are extensions of our own body. They are not something to be taken lightly.

The Kirpan is not just a "dagger" but it must be Sarbloh. Just as it would be inappropriate to have western style boxer shorts instead of Kachere, it would be inappropriate to have a western style knife or dagger instead of a Sarbloh kirpan.

The Keski is not just a "style of turban" but it is very specifically a shorter dastar that is to be worn at all times. It should be one of the Khalsa colours and it should be tied carefully round the head. A Rumala is not a Keski, as it is neither the size of a small turban neither is it tied as a turban is. It is certainly not befitting for Guru Ji's royal princess to remove her crown (turban) for a small piece of cloth covering a bun.

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