Swami Ramdev Ji Visiting Gurdwara Karamsar Ilford

[KharkooSingh]

Charan Singh

The pictures show that the Gurdwara is just a show piece

Maybe everyones expectations are too high from Gurdwara Karamsar. I suppose people see that the Gurdwara is linked to Sant Baba Isher Singh Rarewalays lineage and assume that they will be staunch in their maryada. Truth is even Gurdwaras like Karamsar give into the Punjabi mainstream in the end. Manmat creeps in via the lavish weddings, conver belt Akhand Paths and Sehaj Paths.

Where have the hardcore Singhs gone?

[gss]

To the above people posting various comments. Kharkoo Singh said Baba Ji doesnt promote Amrit/Rehat... erm Baba Ji promotes Amrit in nearly every divan and mentions how important rehat is all the time... so i dunno where u got that from. If you go talk to Baba Ji they always tell everyone how important Simran and Seva is. Baba Ji is full of respect for everyone... just go and talk to them, you guys are drawing conclusions without knowing Baba Ji or anything.. if u have a problem with the Gurdwara discuss it with them, rather than making things up on a forum. I promise to you, that they'l be more helpful than most other Gurdwaras. And the above comments about the mercedes and petrol money etc were uncalled for. So what if they have a mercedes? most of u guys and ur families drive around in expensive cars? You guys portray urselfs as model Gursikhs on this forum, why dont u give up ur career/educations/cars, if you thinks its so bad for a Baba to have a car. Multiple Akhand Paths are done at many Gurdwaras, especially the Sant ones... i disagree with them personally, but why are you guys singling out Karamsar? Regarding names being read in the ardaas, the only names read out are whomevers Akhand Path it is or langer etc..... whereas most other Gurdwaras you can pay money to have ur names said in the ardaas- Karamsar doesnt do that. And the Gurdwara isnt a showpeice, as some1 above said- have some respect! Theres Kirtan and Katha everyday every evening for a few hours , Asa Di War is done in the mornings..... theres more kirtan and katha at Karamsar than most other Gurdwaras I go too. And some1 said photos were taken of the AKJi Kirtan last year.... erm if u go to www.akji.org, you may notice they take photos at every single of there kirtan darbars. Also go to ektaone.com, and look at all the photos taken of the various kirtan darbars.... why are u singling out Karamsar for allowing photos to be taken, when almost every kirtan darbar nowadays has photographs taken?

So you guys need to get your facts straight, rather than making up things, or saying "i heard this from so and so".

[KharkooSingh]

To the above people posting various comments. Kharkoo Singh said Baba Ji doesnt promote Amrit/Rehat... erm Baba Ji promotes Amrit in nearly every divan and mentions how important rehat is all the time... so i dunno where u got that from. If you go talk to Baba Ji they always tell everyone how important Simran and Seva is. Baba Ji is full of respect for everyone... just go and talk to them, you guys are drawing conclusions without knowing Baba Ji or anything.. if u have a problem with the Gurdwara discuss it with them, rather than making things up on a forum. I promise to you, that they'l be more helpful than most other Gurdwaras. And the above comments about the mercedes and petrol money etc were uncalled for. So what if they have a mercedes? most of u guys and ur families drive around in expensive cars? You guys portray urselfs as model Gursikhs on this forum, why dont u give up ur career/educations/cars, if you thinks its so bad for a Baba to have a car. Multiple Akhand Paths are done at many Gurdwaras, especially the Sant ones... i disagree with them personally, but why are you guys singling out Karamsar? Regarding names being read in the ardaas, the only names read out are whomevers Akhand Path it is or langer etc..... whereas most other Gurdwaras you can pay money to have ur names said in the ardaas- Karamsar doesnt do that. And the Gurdwara isnt a showpeice, as some1 above said- have some respect! Theres Kirtan and Katha everyday every evening for a few hours , Asa Di War is done in the mornings..... theres more kirtan and katha at Karamsar than most other Gurdwaras I go too. And some1 said photos were taken of the AKJi Kirtan last year.... erm if u go to www.akji.org, you may notice they take photos at every single of there kirtan darbars. Also go to ektaone.com, and look at all the photos taken of the various kirtan darbars.... why are u singling out Karamsar for allowing photos to be taken, when almost every kirtan darbar nowadays has photographs taken?

So you guys need to get your facts straight, rather than making up things, or saying "i heard this from so and so".

Fair points. The fact that people like you have taken Amrit because of Gurdwara Karamsar is a good sign and maybe the Babaji's khich is for specific people only. Papis like me may never understand what the Baba scene is meant to be.

The photos which were here earlier shown on this thread were of a dolled up wedding couple on the roof of Karamsar posing for bollywood style pictures, Admin have removed the pictures.

As I said earlier when a Gurdwara linked to a well known jathaybhandi/samparday gives in to the manmat practices, which the "run of the norm" Singh Sabhas or Ramgharias are usually expected to carry out, then Sangat get very disheartened. People expect better from these kinds of Guru Ghars. Then one could say the maybe peoples expectations are too high!!

I think this thread can carry on forever, people will attack and people will defend. The Swami should not have been given such VIP treatment especially in the presence of an Akhand Path Sahib.

Stay in Chardi Kala!

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh!

[gss]

I agree with you Kharkoo Singh, that Swami shouldnt have been allowed to speak over Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj... and in my opinion when Guru Granth Sahib Ji is being read, there shudnt be kirtan or anything- just the reading of Guru Granth Sahib Ji..... And I didnt see the pictures of the bollywood style wedding photos, cos theyd been removed. Im not saying that the Gurdwara Sahib is perfect, but in this thread a lot of people started coming up with really disheartening false statements about the Gurdwara/Baba Ji which werent true, so I just felt the need to justify some things. Forgive any of my mistakes!

[singh_sandhu]

is this the same swami on aasthaa TV? Aparently he's been accused of eating Khohpuree (heads/brains) of dead people and givin medicine 2 peeps wid human dead organs and bodily parts in.

Who let him in Gurdwara Sahib?

[sewa1111]

WHAT IS THIS GURDWARA PLAYING AT? I HAVE JUST BEEN ON ANOTHER THREAD ABOUT THE PICTURES ON TOP OF THE SACHKHAND..

THIS IS NOT NITT PICKING..... WHERE ARE THE CHARDI KALA SINGHS, THE SWAMI SHOULD HAVE BEEN STOPPED FROM SPEAKING ABOVE MAHARAJ.

[singh_sandhu]

didnt the committee say anything?

[gss]

Theres no pictures which are above Sachkhand, cos u cant go above Sachkhand in the Gurdwara Sahib. You guys sit here on a forum, and make up things without knowing facts etc. Like i said before to everyone, stop making up things. Additionally, we all correctly say Weddings should be in a Gurdwara, and so forth... and in those pictures theyve gone an extra step and the photos are taken at a Gurdwara, rather than going to a specialist studio, etc... isnt that a good thing? Additionally, u guys keep bringing up that this Swamis been accused of using human bones in his medicine.... you may have forgotten, but those cases were brought against him by a group of people whom were getting jealous of his popularity... and Swami was cleared of those charges. Im not a fan of swami or yoga.. but im just saying you people look at one side of the story, and make up fibs, rather than look at facts. Additionally may I add, I dont think Swami promotes RSS, ive never heard or seen this, a lot of my hindu mates watch him, and they say he doesnt say anything about the RSS/Hindutva/Arya Samaj. In fact, he has said good things about our Guru Sahibs in the past. Just because he has some link with Arya Samaj, why does it automactially make him bad? I know the founder of Arya Samaj, Dayanand said things about our Gurus which were incorrect.... but then does it mean we should hate everyone whom is linked to Arya Samaj? Mohammed (PBUH) of Islam said that Islam is the only way, and all other religions are wrong- despite the founder of Islam having made these kinds of comments, our Guru Sahib Jis never hated Muslims. I can think of many Muslims whom were great friends of Guru Ji, i.e., Saint Mian Mir, Pir Budhu Shah, Bhai Mardana, etc. Thus if Dayanand the founder of Arya Samaj said bad things.... that automatically allows us to hate all those whom have any links with him? I think Guru Ji wouldnt have ever thought like that, as I have demonstrated above. I was also surprised by the news article that sikhsangat.org published againt the Gurdwara Sahib which once again was full of made up things.

[KharkooSingh]

Theres no pictures which are above Sachkhand, cos u cant go above Sachkhand in the Gurdwara Sahib. You guys sit here on a forum, and make up things without knowing facts etc. Like i said before to everyone, stop making up things. Additionally, we all correctly say Weddings should be in a Gurdwara, and so forth... and in those pictures theyve gone an extra step and the photos are taken at a Gurdwara, rather than going to a specialist studio, etc... isnt that a good thing? Additionally, u guys keep bringing up that this Swamis been accused of using human bones in his medicine.... you may have forgotten, but those cases were brought against him by a group of people whom were getting jealous of his popularity... and Swami was cleared of those charges. Im not a fan of swami or yoga.. but im just saying you people look at one side of the story, and make up fibs, rather than look at facts. Additionally may I add, I dont think Swami promotes RSS, ive never heard or seen this, a lot of my hindu mates watch him, and they say he doesnt say anything about the RSS/Hindutva/Arya Samaj. In fact, he has said good things about our Guru Sahibs in the past. Just because he has some link with Arya Samaj, why does it automactially make him bad? I know the founder of Arya Samaj, Dayanand said things about our Gurus which were incorrect.... but then does it mean we should hate everyone whom is linked to Arya Samaj? Mohammed (PBUH) of Islam said that Islam is the only way, and all other religions are wrong- despite the founder of Islam having made these kinds of comments, our Guru Sahib Jis never hated Muslims. I can think of many Muslims whom were great friends of Guru Ji, i.e., Saint Mian Mir, Pir Budhu Shah, Bhai Mardana, etc. Thus if Dayanand the founder of Arya Samaj said bad things.... that automatically allows us to hate all those whom have any links with him? I think Guru Ji wouldnt have ever thought like that, as I have demonstrated above. I was also surprised by the news article that sikhsangat.org published againt the Gurdwara Sahib which once again was full of made up things.

The Swami guy has become a non-issue to me. The only issue with me is why the swami was taken to the stage of Karamsar Gurdwara and allowed to speak whilst an Akhand Path was going on in that diwan. That's what some of the sangat were wound up by.

I was told it has happened before in Karamsar where a guest is allowed to speak above Guru Maharaj, once the local labour MP attended the diwan at the opening of Karamsar and was allowed to speak over our Guru whilst an Akhand Path had just started and was given also langer in a separate room not with the sangat.

[Singh, Mahan]

Swami Ramdev and RSS !!!!

A recent picture to look at ( http://www.ajitjalandhar.com/20060918/ )

:- scroll down to about the centre of the page ( Where the pictures without the accompanying articles are posted

http://www.ajitjalandhar.com/20060918/