Hell?

[Bundha]

<<<< Since when does the Guru care about what happens after you die? This life you have been given, this life is what's important. Whatever you do, whatever you accomplish, will happen here, now, on this Earth. >>>>

Sorry, I totally disagree with this. This Earth is nothing , we are here for a brief time, and ONLY Guru Ji will be sahai when we die, nobody else. Guru Ji absolutely cares about what happens to us when we die, we are here in a human body which is just dirt and when we die we discard this dust and our immortal aatma moves on, if we have not done any simran then Guru Ji will not assist us, but if we have Naam then Guru Nanak Dev Ji will be waiting for us when we die.

[randip singh]

Hell is living without sehaj.

Heaven is anand.

Since when does the Guru care about what happens after you die? This life you have been given, this life is what's important. Whatever you do, whatever you accomplish, will happen here, now, on this Earth.

Absolutely Brilliant response....coudn't agree with you more!!!!!

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[Guest Papi]

so then how would we translate the following????

bsMqu mhlw 9 ]

basa(n)th mehalaa 9 ||

Basant, Ninth Mehla:

mn khw ibswirE rwm nwmu ]

man kehaa bisaariou raam naam ||

O my mind, how can you forget the Lord's Name?

qnu ibnsY jm isau prY kwmu ]1] rhwau ]

than binasai jam sio parai kaam ||1|| rehaao ||

When the body perishes, you shall have to deal with the Messenger of Death. ||1||Pause||

http://sikhitothemax.com/page.asp?ShabadID=4221

[randip singh]

so then how would we translate the following????

bsMqu mhlw 9 ]

basa(n)th mehalaa 9 ||

Basant, Ninth Mehla:

mn khw ibswirE rwm nwmu ]

man kehaa bisaariou raam naam ||

O my mind, how can you forget the Lord's Name?

qnu ibnsY jm isau prY kwmu ]1] rhwau ]

than binasai jam sio parai kaam ||1|| rehaao ||

When the body perishes, you shall have to deal with the Messenger of Death. ||1||Pause||

http://sikhitothemax.com/page.asp?ShabadID=4221

ਬਸੰਤੁ ਮਹਲਾ ੯ ॥

बसंतु महला ९ ॥

basant mehlaa 9.

Basant, Ninth Mehl:

ਮਨ ਕਹਾ ਬਿਸਾਰਿਓ ਰਾਮ ਨਾਮੁ ॥

मन कहा बिसारिओ राम नामु ॥

man kahaa bisaari-o raam naam.

O my mind, how can you forget the Lord's Name?

ਤਨੁ ਬਿਨਸੈ ਜਮ ਸਿਉ ਪਰੈ ਕਾਮੁ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

तनु बिनसै जम सिउ परै कामु ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥

tan binsai jam si-o parai kaam. ||1|| rahaa-o.

When the body perishes, you shall have to deal with the Messenger of Death. ||1||Pause||

ਇਹੁ ਜਗੁ ਧੂਏ ਕਾ ਪਹਾਰ ॥

इहु जगु धूए का पहार ॥

ih jag Dhoo-ay kaa pahaar.

This world is just a hill of smoke.

ਤੈ ਸਾਚਾ ਮਾਨਿਆ ਕਿਹ ਬਿਚਾਰਿ ॥੧॥

तै साचा मानिआ किह बिचारि ॥१॥

tai saachaa maani-aa kih bichaar. ||1||

What makes you think that it is real? ||1||

ਧਨੁ ਦਾਰਾ ਸੰਪਤਿ ਗ੍ਰੇਹ ॥

धनु दारा स्मपति ग्रेह ॥

Dhan daaraa sampat garayh.

Wealth, spouse, property and household-

ਕਛੁ ਸੰਗਿ ਨ ਚਾਲੈ ਸਮਝ ਲੇਹ ॥੨॥

कछु संगि न चालै समझ लेह ॥२॥

kachh sang na chaalai samajh layh. ||2||

none of them shall go along with you; you must know that this is true! ||2||

ਇਕ ਭਗਤਿ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ ਹੋਇ ਸੰਗਿ ॥

इक भगति नाराइन होइ संगि ॥

ik bhagat naaraa-in ho-ay sang.

Only devotion to the Lord shall go with you.

ਕਹੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਭਜੁ ਤਿਹ ਏਕ ਰੰਗਿ ॥੩॥੪॥

कहु नानक भजु तिह एक रंगि ॥३॥४॥

kaho naanak bhaj tih ayk rang. ||3||4||

Says Nanak, vibrate and meditate on the Lord with single-minded love. ||3||4||

My own opinion is that the Angel of death is a metaphor (I don't think it is a physical being). So when death takes us can you face it with a clear concious?

Also I recommend read the Angs prior to this and after this, they are real eye openers.

PS Like I said, if it helps you to understand death as a physical being then thats fine..........my opinion is that none of these so called demi-god or angel type things exist. In Bani they are a metaphor.

Picture this.......you go to an Island where the natives have no concept of electricity...you can't produce it there......how would you describe it? In the same way we cannot comprehend many concepts (such as death), so Guru's had to use concepts we could picture.

[randip singh]

Hi all just been looking at some discussions and found the same or similar one here:

http://www.sikh-history.com/cgi-bin/Ultima...ic;f=1;t=002049

We do not have a concept of heaven or hell. Hell is being a slave to the 5 thieves.....a Manmukh. Heaven is being aware of God inside you and realising it......a Gurmukh. So we can create heaven here and now.

As for what happens to us after we die, our molecules are scattered.......they may reform to become another unconscious life form (mineral, plant, animal), or they may attain a conscious life (human).............or may merge with the super-consciousness (if one has become a Gurmukh)....as we describe as God............that would be akin to heaven....but is not heaven. A better description maybe reaching another dimension.