Kabeer - What Does He Mean?

[kaal_tuhi]

http://sikhitothemax.com/Page.asp?SourceID...64&Format=2 - what does this mean to you?

I want as many different interpretations as possible please sangat ji!

[Carpe Diem]

Kabeer, the pure drop of water falls from the sky, and mixes with the dust.

- Kabeer jee is talking about rain which falls from the sky. On the way down from the sky, it will get polluted (like acid rain) and become impure.

Millions of clever people may try, but they will fail - it cannot be made separate again. ||196||- Scientists etc who are "clever" can try, but they wont be able to seperate the pollution from the water in its liquid form.

(forgive my mistakes, there are many more learned people on this forum than me)

[Tanu Kaur]

Kabeer, the pure drop of water falls from the sky, and mixes with the dust.

- Kabeer jee is talking about rain which falls from the sky. On the way down from the sky, it will get polluted (like acid rain) and become impure.

Millions of clever people may try, but they will fail - it cannot be made separate again. ||196||- Scientists etc who are "clever" can try, but they wont be able to seperate the pollution from the water in its liquid form.

(forgive my mistakes, there are many more learned people on this forum than me)

Everyone has their own connection to Gurbani...here's mine.

What i get out of this Salok is that Bhagat Kabir Ji is saying that no mater what, we cannot be made "pure" through our own little clever efforts. Like Guru Nanak Sahib says in Jap Ji Sahib, it doesn't matter how much we cleanse ourselves from the outside, or visit pilgrimages, or how silent we are, these things will not break the wall between us and Akal Purakh.

So Bhagat Kabir Ji is saying, don't waste your time on useless efforts. Do what counts - understand Gurbani, focus your attention, and only then will your actions, will your jeevan become pure again.

[lowest of the low singhni]

vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh

It helps if we read the entire Ang, or even just the shabads surrounding the one in question. The last Salok on Ang 1374 helps us to understand the first Salok on Ang 1375.

ਕਬੀਰ ਨਿਰਮਲ ਬੂੰਦ ਅਕਾਸ ਕੀ ਪਰਿ ਗਈ ਭੂਮਿ ਬਿਕਾਰ ॥

Kabīr nirmal būnḏ akās kī par ga­ī bẖūm bikār.

Kabeer, the pure drop of water falls from the sky, onto the dirty ground.

ਬਿਨੁ ਸੰਗਤਿ ਇਉ ਮਾਂਨਈ ਹੋਇ ਗਈ ਭਠ ਛਾਰ ॥੧੯੫॥

Bin sangaṯ i­o māʼnn­ī ho­ė ga­ī bẖaṯẖ cẖẖār.

You must acknowledge this, that without the Sangat, the Holy Congregation, it turns into burnt ashes.

ਕਬੀਰ ਨਿਰਮਲ ਬੂੰਦ ਅਕਾਸ ਕੀ ਲੀਨੀ ਭੂਮਿ ਮਿਲਾਇ ॥

Kabīr nirmal būnḏ akās kī līnī bẖūm milā­ė.

Kabeer, the pure drop of water falls from the sky, and mixes with the dust.

ਅਨਿਕ ਸਿਆਨੇ ਪਚਿ ਗਏ ਨਾ ਨਿਰਵਾਰੀ ਜਾਇ ॥੧੯੬॥

Anik si­ānė pacẖ ga­ė nā nirvārī jā­ė.

Millions of clever people may try, but they will fail - it cannot be made separate again.

We enter the world in the purest possible form - as babies we aren't affected by the evils which plague us at the moment; ego, attachment etc. These things grow as we grow. When a drop of water falls from the sky and lands on a lifeless piece of land, it's value is wasted. Bhagat Kabeer Ji is telling us that if a drop of water falls on a land covered in ash, the water is powerless to convert the ash to anything useful. The ground will not flourish unless the soil is fertile.

In the same way, we are like wasted drops of water if we keep the company of those who try to reject God. Without any good influence it is extremely hard to lead a good life - it's so much easier for a negative influence to bring down a positive one unless the positive influence is really strong. Bhagat Ji tells us to use the life we have wisely and make the most of it in whichever way we can.

Maybe someone could correct me here if I'm wrong, but I think the reference to dust in the second line is talking about earth/mud/soil. So here, Bhagat Kabeer Ji is describing the water being used to help the soil produce the vegetation or plants. The drop of water is completely absorbed by the soil - they are made to mix. Once they have mixed, it's near impossible to separate them again. When we find Sadhsangat, we begin to be influenced in a good way and step onto the path of Guru Saheb. At the end of the path we meet Guru Saheb and are completely merged into His love. It's impossible for anyone to separate love that strong - the love of the True Husband and His most beloved bride. They merge together and there is no difference between the two.

(Having said that, in both Saloks ਭੂਮਿ is used to describe the ground. Although in the first Salok this is qualified by ਬਿਕਾਰ which means it is dirty, diseased etc.)

Anyway I will stop for now - sorry if the above didn't make sense (there was a group of very loud youngsters playing games on the computer next to me). Perhaps someone could check Professor Sahib Singh's vichaar for a more accurate explanation.

vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh

[kaal_tuhi]

more chardi kala veechar please - keep those interoretations rolling in!

[۹βkaur۹β]

fateh ji

for more vichar, visit the web site below and watch a dwan by Ranjit singh ji, its great.

http://parmeshardwar.com/videos.asp

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[kaal_tuhi]

fateh ji

for more vichar, visit the web site below and watch a dwan by Ranjit singh ji, its great.

http://parmeshardwar.com/videos.asp

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there are no videos where runjeet singh is doing any vichar about this line from gurbani...

CAN WE HAVE MORE AND MROE CHARDI KALA VEECHARS ON THIS LINE PLEASE.

[Guest Papi]

as per teeka of prof. sahib singh jee

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/4366/kabir196vr8.gif