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Banda if you want to solve the issue you have to precisely establish exactly WHY JSMs are abandoning kesh so dramatically. I worked on building sites with firms who were mostly of this background (freshies) and I'm telling you over the last decade the amount of people coming from backhome with haircuts has increased bigtime! Today it is very rare to find a guy who keeps his hair but 15 years ago I would say that the majority of people from backhome would have kesh.

Blaming Bollywood alone seems superficial to me and it is strange that the offspring of those who defended Sikhism against all odds desert it in droves now.

One thing we have to look at is the love of money of people of this background. I think maybe they think that being Sikh is not profitable anymore and that being "modern" is, hence their lifestyles.

Another thing that is often not mentioned is attracting the opposite sex, especially outside of Punjab.

valid points BUT

1) everybody loves money lol not just JSMs and every turbanned Singh i see is a professional these day some into IT, Doctors, Lawyers etc

2) I never met a singh (turban and FULL bread) who couldnt find a wife etc so stop generalising there are guys out their who cut and trim who also cant find anyone or cant get wife etc...........they just use it as an excuse to cut their hair.

AT THE END OF THE DAY they DONT want to follow sikhi!

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Banda if you want to solve the issue you have to precisely establish exactly WHY JSMs are abandoning kesh so dramatically. I worked on building sites with firms who were mostly of this background (freshies) and I'm telling you over the last decade the amount of people coming from backhome with haircuts has increased bigtime! Today it is very rare to find a guy who keeps his hair but 15 years ago I would say that the majority of people from backhome would have kesh.

Blaming Bollywood alone seems superficial to me and it is strange that the offspring of those who defended Sikhism against all odds desert it in droves now.

One thing we have to look at is the love of money of people of this background. I think maybe they think that being Sikh is not profitable anymore and that being "modern" is, hence their lifestyles.

Another thing that is often not mentioned is attracting the opposite sex, especially outside of Punjab.

valid points BUT

1) everybody loves money lol not just JSMs and every turbanned Singh i see is a professional these day some into IT, Doctors, Lawyers etc

2) I never met a singh (turban and FULL bread) who couldnt find a wife etc so stop generalising there are guys out their who cut and trim who also cant find anyone or cant get wife etc...........they just use it as an excuse to cut their hair.

AT THE END OF THE DAY they DONT want to follow sikhi!

I guess it really is as simple as this. Any ideas of why this sudden apathy has taken place?

I disagree with the "everyone loves money" statement however. Js have so much pressure to have lavish weddings and visible material trapping more than the rest of Punjabi society. This trend has RECENTLY crossed over to other groups. The pressure is so strong that I'm sure you know that many people in Punjab kill themselves rather than live with the stigma of poverty.

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sikhi has always had lots of enemies. before people tried to eliminate us from the outside, by cutting us into pieces, by raping our mothers/sisters/mothers, by killing lots of men so sikh population would go down. bu they failed miserably, so now strategy has been changed. now we are being killed from the inside and i'm sad to say its working well, too well

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Banda if you want to solve the issue you have to precisely establish exactly WHY JSMs are abandoning kesh so dramatically. I worked on building sites with firms who were mostly of this background (freshies) and I'm telling you over the last decade the amount of people coming from backhome with haircuts has increased bigtime! Today it is very rare to find a guy who keeps his hair but 15 years ago I would say that the majority of people from backhome would have kesh.

Blaming Bollywood alone seems superficial to me and it is strange that the offspring of those who defended Sikhism against all odds desert it in droves now.

One thing we have to look at is the love of money of people of this background. I think maybe they think that being Sikh is not profitable anymore and that being "modern" is, hence their lifestyles.

Another thing that is often not mentioned is attracting the opposite sex, especially outside of Punjab.

valid points BUT

1) everybody loves money lol not just JSMs and every turbanned Singh i see is a professional these day some into IT, Doctors, Lawyers etc

2) I never met a singh (turban and FULL bread) who couldnt find a wife etc so stop generalising there are guys out their who cut and trim who also cant find anyone or cant get wife etc...........they just use it as an excuse to cut their hair.

AT THE END OF THE DAY they DONT want to follow sikhi!

I guess it really is as simple as this. Any ideas of why this sudden apathy has taken place?

I disagree with the "everyone loves money" statement however. Js have so much pressure to have lavish weddings and visible material trapping more than the rest of Punjabi society. This trend has RECENTLY crossed over to other groups. The pressure is so strong that I'm sure you know that many people in Punjab kill themselves rather than live with the stigma of poverty.

fair point BUT whats the apathy comment all about?

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Banda if you want to solve the issue you have to precisely establish exactly WHY JSMs are abandoning kesh so dramatically. I worked on building sites with firms who were mostly of this background (freshies) and I'm telling you over the last decade the amount of people coming from backhome with haircuts has increased bigtime! Today it is very rare to find a guy who keeps his hair but 15 years ago I would say that the majority of people from backhome would have kesh.

Blaming Bollywood alone seems superficial to me and it is strange that the offspring of those who defended Sikhism against all odds desert it in droves now.

One thing we have to look at is the love of money of people of this background. I think maybe they think that being Sikh is not profitable anymore and that being "modern" is, hence their lifestyles.

Another thing that is often not mentioned is attracting the opposite sex, especially outside of Punjab.

valid points BUT

1) everybody loves money lol not just JSMs and every turbanned Singh i see is a professional these day some into IT, Doctors, Lawyers etc

2) I never met a singh (turban and FULL bread) who couldnt find a wife etc so stop generalising there are guys out their who cut and trim who also cant find anyone or cant get wife etc...........they just use it as an excuse to cut their hair.

AT THE END OF THE DAY they DONT want to follow sikhi!

I guess it really is as simple as this. Any ideas of why this sudden apathy has taken place?

I disagree with the "everyone loves money" statement however. Js have so much pressure to have lavish weddings and visible material trapping more than the rest of Punjabi society. This trend has RECENTLY crossed over to other groups. The pressure is so strong that I'm sure you know that many people in Punjab kill themselves rather than live with the stigma of poverty.

fair point BUT whats the apathy comment all about?

Apathy basically means not having any strong feelings for something. Not being concerned about something. I was just saying that a sort of apathy towards Sikhism has taken place with large sections of Punjabi society. But i guess this is common to most religions these days.

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I dunno whether I'm missin the point here but I just thought I'd say...sikh or not, these people who are addicts, whether they cut thier hair or not w/e....we have a duty to help them don't we? They may have put themselves in these positions but at the end of the day, they're still humans, people our fellow man? We can still help them; even if they want to be Amritdhari or not, wanna know about Sikhi or not...it shouldn't matter...I'm pretty sure that we should have faith, I think that by helping these people they might even take an interest in Sikhi, how do we know unless we try though?

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Banda if you want to solve the issue you have to precisely establish exactly WHY JSMs are abandoning kesh so dramatically. I worked on building sites with firms who were mostly of this background (freshies) and I'm telling you over the last decade the amount of people coming from backhome with haircuts has increased bigtime! Today it is very rare to find a guy who keeps his hair but 15 years ago I would say that the majority of people from backhome would have kesh.

Blaming Bollywood alone seems superficial to me and it is strange that the offspring of those who defended Sikhism against all odds desert it in droves now.

One thing we have to look at is the love of money of people of this background. I think maybe they think that being Sikh is not profitable anymore and that being "modern" is, hence their lifestyles.

Another thing that is often not mentioned is attracting the opposite sex, especially outside of Punjab.

valid points BUT

1) everybody loves money lol not just JSMs and every turbanned Singh i see is a professional these day some into IT, Doctors, Lawyers etc

2) I never met a singh (turban and FULL bread) who couldnt find a wife etc so stop generalising there are guys out their who cut and trim who also cant find anyone or cant get wife etc...........they just use it as an excuse to cut their hair.

AT THE END OF THE DAY they DONT want to follow sikhi!

I guess it really is as simple as this. Any ideas of why this sudden apathy has taken place?

I disagree with the "everyone loves money" statement however. Js have so much pressure to have lavish weddings and visible material trapping more than the rest of Punjabi society. This trend has RECENTLY crossed over to other groups. The pressure is so strong that I'm sure you know that many people in Punjab kill themselves rather than live with the stigma of poverty.

fair point BUT whats the apathy comment all about?

Apathy basically means not having any strong feelings for something. Not being concerned about something. I was just saying that a sort of apathy towards Sikhism has taken place with large sections of Punjabi society. But i guess this is common to most religions these days.

I know what apathy means i just thought it was being directed at me lol BUT yea ur right there are some things in our community that are simply ignored or trivialised...........I also agree with wjkk wjkf the we need to help people BUT if they dont want or refuse help its like talkin to a brick wall!

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( and people who think they're right in middle of sikh path/community spiritually) to be bunch of hypocrites anyway. They're the reason why sikhs have such a bad image in this world.

u sure about that?.. they're nah the only reason sikhs have a bad image...

They might not be the only reason, but they're the main reason why Sikhs have such a negative image in the world.

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But it is okay we don't have too many kesdhari jatts though. You either follow sikhi 100% or you don't follow sikhi at all, which is a good thing because I usually find kesdharis ( and people who think they're right in middle of sikh path/community spiritually) to be bunch of hypocrites anyway. They're the reason why sikhs have such a bad image in this world. Every time you see a sardar drinking and/or committing other sins, what do non-sikhs would think about him/her and rest of Sikh community? People don't take monay seriously when comes to sikhi, so don't even point out about monay doing the same. Majority of amritdharis will never drink. So that leaves up to Keshdharis. So in the way, it is a good thing that we don’t have too many keshdharis.

OH LORD ohmy.gif , Punjabi Link, you wont beleieve me, butt.... I agree with you ohmy.gif

WOW!

Hell just got frozen! :wub:

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( and people who think they're right in middle of sikh path/community spiritually) to be bunch of hypocrites anyway. They're the reason why sikhs have such a bad image in this world.

u sure about that?.. they're nah the only reason sikhs have a bad image...

They might not be the only reason, but they're the main reason why Sikhs have such a negative image in the world.

Hypocrisy must rank high.

We claim to believe in equality of castes - but in reality we know this is bull

We claim to treat women equally - reality = bull (in this case it is blatant with female infanticide and the odd honour killing)

We claim spirituality but are one of the most materialistic people around (You are no one without a merc and big house, even if you break the law in getting them - just don't get caught!)

We claim to be liberal but we all know we use violence to resolve most disputes - personal or institutional

We claim to be simple and honest In the west, you can see Sikhs involved in all sorts of crime

Drinking! Sikhs are famous for

Once a Gujerati girl asked me - "Are you a typical Sikh boy?"

I said "what do you mean?"

She said "You know, take drugs, fight, <admin-profanity filter activated> about, drink and live life to the full!"

I thought 'boy, is this what some people view us as!!??!?'

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