Education Not Important?

[TuhiNirankar]

http://abhiyaas.blogspot.com/2006/05/education.html

http://naam-jor.blogspot.com/2007/02/education.html

Im totally confused after reading these 2 articles because it seems like the point they are trying to get across is that education is a waste of time as this time could be used to jap naam but isn't it all about balance??

Guru Nanak taught his way of life:

Nam Japa - To get up each day before sunrise, to clean the body, meditate on God’s Name and recite the Guru’s hymns to clean the mind. Throughout the day, continuously remember God’s Name with every breath.

Dharam di Kirat Karni - To work and earn by the sweat of the brow, to live a family way of life, and practice truthfulness and honesty in all dealings.

Vand Ke Chakna - To share the fruits of one’s labor with others before considering oneself. Thus, to live as an inspiration and a support to the entire community.

[Heera Singh]

as sikhs we are learners... i'm sure our Guru's would be very proud of us if we were very well educated people... i'm sure our Guru's would want us to be as educated as possible..

the 3 things taught by Guru Nanak Dev Jee (kirat karna, vand shakna, naam japna) are the 3 main things for ur spirituality... yes.. life is all about balance... which includes work, school, famliy, friends, etc...

[chatrik]

Im totally confused after reading these 2 articles because it seems like the point they are trying to get across is that education is a waste of time as this time could be used to jap naam but isn't it all about balance??

Guru Nanak taught his way of life:

Nam Japa - To get up each day before sunrise, to clean the body, meditate on God’s Name and recite the Guru’s hymns to clean the mind. Throughout the day, continuously remember God’s Name with every breath.

Dharam di Kirat Karni - To work and earn by the sweat of the brow, to live a family way of life, and practice truthfulness and honesty in all dealings.

Vand Ke Chakna - To share the fruits of one’s labor with others before considering oneself. Thus, to live as an inspiration and a support to the entire community.

Phen jee,

What the 2 gursikhs have said in their blog is true.

Also you have to take note,

IN our time, in order to do KIRT DE KAMEE, we need to get ourselves educated to get a proper job with a safe income.These are a MUST DO duties of a Gursikh.

but some waste their life earning 3-4 degrees, 2 master..and so on.

Do only what is IMPOTANT and Necessary to earn a living, and don' over do it which will cause us to get detached from Naam.

A gursikh only does 2 thing in their life:

1.Prema BHagti, Naam Abhiyaas.

2.When a Gursikh is not doing as above, then he'she is doing their compulsory duties as GRISTHI Jeewan.

A gursikh only involves himself in the 2 things above, and doesn't waste time on mundane an unimportant activities.

as sikhs we are learners... i'm sure our Guru's would be very proud of us if we were very well educated people... i'm sure our Guru's would want us to be as educated as possible..

Guru Sahib is proud of us when we butcher our haumei and do abhiyass 24/7.

[dalsingh101]

People should never forget that Guru Gobind Singh Ji was highly educated. He was provided with the best education of the time.

So how is Sikhi against education?

[Shaheed_Fauja]

Dhan Dhan Sahib Sri Guru Hargobind Sahib Ji Maharaaj created the philosophy of Miri and Piri (temporal and spiritual respectively). The above article just focuses on the Piri side of Sikhi.

Guru Ji taught us to live lives as a householder. Be a worldy person but.. as Sahib Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji puts it: "Man he Maahe Udasa" - Be an udasi but IN UR MIND. No point in running away to forests/running away from normal life to do "tap" etc - That's exactly what Dhan Dhan Sahib Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji Aap Nirankaar Saroop Maharaaj told the Yogis NOT to do.

How can Education take you away from Naam? The Shabad that Bhai Sahib used from Asa Di //:

http://www.sikhitothemax.com/page.asp?ShabadID=1711 does NOT talk against Education - Rather it said that just reading about stuff won't get you mukti you have to ACT upon it and follow the Nirmal Panth (pure path).

If Education was such a taboo in Sikhi, why would Kalgidhar Pita Sahib-e-Kamaal Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji send out Singhs to learn vidya??? "Inhi Ke Parsaad So Bidiya Layee.."

Bhagat Prahlaad was sent to school to learn and he replied that he only wants to learn about Akaal Purakh - What does that tell you? That tells me that he was like that from day 1. ie: He had this Bakhshish from Akaal Purakh Sahib Ji from the Day Go.

We try to copy Bhagats/Sants in many ways, but we never end up being the same as them - We turn out to be a not-so-good version of them.. We don't have that inner goodness that they had.

Eg: Some Gursikhs have so much Pyaar for their Kakaars that they would not eat if one of them is missing (like on the plane) but people try copying that and say "ur not meant to eat when your kakaars are off" see the difference?

Baba Nand Singh Ji and other Sant Mahapurashs from the Nanaksar Jathebandi didn't have Lobh+Moh for money - Nanaksari's try to follow that by not putting a golak infront of Guru Granth Sahib ji - but instead some take money behind people's backs.

Bhai Sahib Bhai Randheer Singh ji and some other Mahapurashs, when doing Naam Simran lose control of their bodies and move around in "mast". However, people of the jatha try to copy that by moving during Naam Simran thinking its the way to go..

It's not all good just trying to copy Gursikhs - it's about getting to their avastha and then all the outward things (such as not finding taste in any songs/music except for keertan) will come naturally.

[dalsingh101]

What is moving around in "mast"?

[Mehtab Singh]

We try to copy Bhagats/Sants in many ways, but we never end up being the same as them - We turn out to be a not-so-good version of them.. We don't have that inner goodness that they had.

Eg: Some Gursikhs have so much Pyaar for their Kakaars that they would not eat if one of them is missing (like on the plane) but people try copying that and say "ur not meant to eat when your kakaars are off" see the difference?

Baba Nand Singh Ji and other Sant Mahapurashs from the Nanaksar Jathebandi didn't have Lobh+Moh for money - Nanaksari's try to follow that by not putting a golak infront of Guru Granth Sahib ji - but instead some take money behind people's backs.

Bhai Sahib Bhai Randheer Singh ji and some other Mahapurashs, when doing Naam Simran lose control of their bodies and move around in "mast". However, people of the jatha try to copy that by moving during Naam Simran thinking its the way to go..

It's not all good just trying to copy Gursikhs - it's about getting to their avastha and then all the outward things (such as not finding taste in any songs/music except for keertan) will come naturally.

rIsw kirh iqnwVIAw jo syvih dru KVIAwh ]

reesaa karih thinaarreeaa jo saevehi dhar kharreeaah ||

We imitate those who stand and serve at the Lord's Door.

[Mehtab Singh]

The full shabad is here: http://www.sikhitothemax.com/page.asp?ShabadID=220

[Raven]

Education is an ornament in prosperity and a refuge in adversity.

Knowledge is power and education is a must, unless you prefer to be stuck in a dead end job with little money.

[japmans]

Dhan Dhan Sahib Sri Guru Hargobind Sahib Ji Maharaaj created the philosophy of Miri and Piri (temporal and spiritual respectively). The above article just focuses on the Piri side of Sikhi.

Guru Ji taught us to live lives as a householder. Be a worldy person but.. as Sahib Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji puts it: "Man he Maahe Udasa" - Be an udasi but IN UR MIND. No point in running away to forests/running away from normal life to do "tap" etc - That's exactly what Dhan Dhan Sahib Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji Aap Nirankaar Saroop Maharaaj told the Yogis NOT to do.

How can Education take you away from Naam? The Shabad that Bhai Sahib used from Asa Di //:

http://www.sikhitothemax.com/page.asp?ShabadID=1711 does NOT talk against Education - Rather it said that just reading about stuff won't get you mukti you have to ACT upon it and follow the Nirmal Panth (pure path).

If Education was such a taboo in Sikhi, why would Kalgidhar Pita Sahib-e-Kamaal Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji send out Singhs to learn vidya??? "Inhi Ke Parsaad So Bidiya Layee.."

Bhagat Prahlaad was sent to school to learn and he replied that he only wants to learn about Akaal Purakh - What does that tell you? That tells me that he was like that from day 1. ie: He had this Bakhshish from Akaal Purakh Sahib Ji from the Day Go.

We try to copy Bhagats/Sants in many ways, but we never end up being the same as them - We turn out to be a not-so-good version of them.. We don't have that inner goodness that they had.

Eg: Some Gursikhs have so much Pyaar for their Kakaars that they would not eat if one of them is missing (like on the plane) but people try copying that and say "ur not meant to eat when your kakaars are off" see the difference?

Baba Nand Singh Ji and other Sant Mahapurashs from the Nanaksar Jathebandi didn't have Lobh+Moh for money - Nanaksari's try to follow that by not putting a golak infront of Guru Granth Sahib ji - but instead some take money behind people's backs.

Bhai Sahib Bhai Randheer Singh ji and some other Mahapurashs, when doing Naam Simran lose control of their bodies and move around in "mast". However, people of the jatha try to copy that by moving during Naam Simran thinking its the way to go..

It's not all good just trying to copy Gursikhs - it's about getting to their avastha and then all the outward things (such as not finding taste in any songs/music except for keertan) will come naturally.

greaaaaat post... great post