Sikh Ragas

[hawk13]

Just last month I came to know about a important fact that during a address by a sikh scholar in a GURDWARA SHAIB in delhi that SIKH RAGAS are not taken from indian music system in indian ragas there are two ragas one north and other south in both systems there are just 3 ragas. In GRANTH SHAIB there are 32 ragas and tone of singing is according to pattern of grammer and tone in GRANTH SHAIB AND IS ABSOLUTELY DIFFERENT THAN INDIAN RAGAS IN INDIAN RAGAS THERE ARE 3 RAGAS AND OTHERS ARE RAGINIS. In south indian pattern ragas are sung in dancing form.So RAGAS contained in GURU GRANTH SHAIB ARE NOT THEINDIAN RAGAS .Further in hindu belief DEEPAK ut in RAGA is consisdered dangerous but in sikhism it is asgood as others RAGAS .BHUL CHUK MAUF I WILL WELCOME ANY INFORMATION FROM THE MEMBERS.

[chatanga]

Sri Raag is mentioned in the Vedas I beleive, but there may be adaptions of the raags to compliment gurbani, but as i understand they essentially are the same as the indians. Some raags are created by Guru.

[Laadli Fauj]

Yeah, Maharaj did create some of their own rags, but some most are either adapted versions of indian rags or actually indian rags

[Akaali]

I'm gonna have to disagree to an extent, most raags are derived from the indian school of music.

[OhTwadi]

i have no clue about this :lol: where are the nirdharith keertnees when we need em?

[singhni]

so which raagas did the guru's create then?

[singhni]

yeh....

didnt think so

[hawk13]

Yeah, Maharaj did create some of their own rags, but some most are either adapted versions of indian rags or actually indian rags

Actually that scholar gave rare information as he has spent more than 30 years on that particular reasearch he said that none of the indian ragas match matches SIKH RAGAS as mode is distinct from indian ragas there different type of stop and pause in THE GURBANI unlike indian ragas gurvani must be sung in that form. Unfotunately even I used to think differently why dancing is banned in gurmat as the indian raga has negligle link with SIKH RAGAS. In 1994 some kathak dancers did sing sikh ragas in dancing form but shockingly no sikh group took note of it despite the fact that it was a conpricacy by antisikh forces.

[chatanga]

heres sum info on sri raag. if you want to read about raag in detail visit this link...

http://www.searchgurbani.com/raags/raag_siri.php

Raga Siri was favoured for religious occasions and is found in many of the old treatises. In the Ragmala listed as a parent raga, it currently is a member of the puroi thata. Still a popular concert raga today, it is considered one of the most famous from among the North Indian classical system. Guru Nanak, Guru Amar Das, Guru Ram Das, and Guru Arjan composed to this raga. Traditionally performed at sunset, it is assigned to the rainy season as well as the months of November and December. Its mood is one of majesty combined with prayerful meditation. This raga is always referred to as "Siri Raga" rather than placing the term raga before the name. It accompanies about 142 shabads.

Sri raga is one of the parent ragas from which other ragas have been derived. The word Sri means supreme or exalted and as such this raga powerful. Bhai Gurdas calls it a supreme raga, supreme like the philosopher’s stone among other stones, because it has the power of converting baser metals into gold. The gurus gave it the first place. This raga is sung in the evening-a period of dusk and darkness. Man’s mind and his inner state as a mortal is one of darkness-caused by maya-and ignorance of his spiritual potentialities. So from darkness to light is the law of nature. In Sri raga, Guru Nanak has dealt with the existing ignorance and superstition and the neglect of spiritual values on account of man’s ego, greed and love of wordly pleasures: