Marriages of our guru sahibs.

[DhadiMania]

sum funny posts, but seriously, r we on about the gurus weddings or ure own weddings? :T:

[Balait_da_Sher]

I agree with KANDOLA veer ji, this topic is very interesting and should be discussed properly. LEss jokes more history pokes :T:

[DhadiMania]

LEss jokes more history pokes

luv that quote baliat ji, jus had 2 say it

[Gupti]

Waheguru jee ka khalsa waheguru jee ki fateh.

Just a quick question. I have been wondering lately, how were our guru sahib jees married before the rachna of sampooran granth sahib jee?

Will be glad if someone could answer my query.

Thanks.

I had this q as well

and if Im not mistaken Guru Gobind SIngh jee didn't have 'Anandkarj' eithr

how did Guru jee get 'married?

bhull chukk maaf

GurFateh

Does anybody know?

[DhadiMania]

so many posts n no1 even answered the question?

i think the first 5 gurus went thru the hindu ceremony of haavan. the other 5 round sggs. i think, can a gurmukh answer this????

[Niranjana]

Gur Fateh!

To my knowlegde, until the formulation of the Lavan by Guru Ram Das Jee, Sikhs and the Gurus were married around the Havan using Ved Mantrs.

Subsequent to the writing of the Lavan, there are 2 schools of thought:-

1. That the Ved Mantrs were replaced by the Lavan Paath, however the marriage continued around the Havan.

2. That weddings continued to be conducted around the Havan with Ved Mantrs (since this was still in vogue until the late 19th century in Punjab amongst Sikhs, until the Nirankari reforms and creation of what we now know to be the Anand Karaj Wedding).

I personally favour (1) not because I have anything against Ved Mantrs, but because "Kulyug mey Kirtan Pardana", i.e. Gurbani is the vehicle, the tool for Kulyug, Ved Mantrs have had their use in the past

Also, the manner in which Namdharis continue to be married in closely linked to this and can be traced to the Sikh Raj Period -bear in mind Baba Ram Singh, himself was a Sikh most devout and reformed many aspects of Sikh practice, himself conducted mass-marriages around the Havan using the Lavan Paath.

Just some thoughts....

Gur Fateh!

[Niranjana]

...also, as per Havans, I've long thought about this, as to whether or not it is acceptable to Sikhs.

My personal view is still developing, but I'm not as strongly opposed to them as I was in my earlier years when I didn't appreciate some finer aspects of South East Asian cultural history.

In short, Havans are performed by Shivites, Vashnavites, Shakats, Bhuddists, Jains and all over, usually being the reserve of Kings and men of stature.

In India, Brahmins basically carved out the sole right to perform Havans using Ved Mantrs (again the recitation of which lay solely with Male Brahmins).

I wouldn't be surprised if Sikhs began to do Havans using Gurbani, in the same vain that we adopted the colours Blue and Kesri from the ruling Moghul and Rajput warrior classes, sung in Raag, wore 5 shasters, big dastaars, beards and upturned moustaches, rode horses at a time when the Moghuls/Rajputs had banned these activities.

Afterall, we can say that Havans are hindoo, but so is the Bhog Ritual in the Parshad, so too can be ligthing incense and such like...the thing is Brahmins don't care, they'll simply look at us and say Sikhs are sudras anyway, so they don't have the right to perform Havans...just like Aurangzeb banned non-Muslims from singing Raag and wearing Turbans and Beards.

...just another thought...happy for any feedback...

Gur FAteh!

[DhadiMania]

well its answered now

[Simran9]

anyone else have any thoughts on how Gurus were married?

Also, a friend of a friend was asking whether going around the SGGS during Laavan is necessary? He thinks standing (or sitting in one place in front) is all that is required and no point in actually going around 4 times.

Any feedback appreciated on why we do it, etc.

[Niranjana]

A parkarama is a sign of indicating that the invidual or object that you go around is at the centre of your life...