Johlanwala Cult

[Khalsa 4 life]

:gg: I have heard of the Sacha Sauda Cult & the Singhs murdered in Bombay recently has anyone heard of the Johlanwala Cult, headed by Jeet Singh? there are reports that they are trying to take over Gurudwara's in England and have attacked Sikhs & murdered Singhs in Panjab.

Please see Panthic Weekly article

http://www.panthic.org/news/123/ARTICLE/2798/2006-10-04.html

I have heard of this situation, its all over the news. The 3 Gurudwara's in the UK have memorial plaques outside which confirm that the 3 Gurudwara's Oldbury, Bradford & Wycombe were opened by Gian Singh Maharaj & that they are 'Gurudwara's' affiliated to the eccliastical institution of Baba Karam Singh Ji Hothi Mardan. If Das Apdd is saying that they were opened by a dera then they are very misinformed. Jeet himself is saying he has left the institution of Karm Singh i.e mainstream Sikhi , so who the hell is Das APDD? what the hell is APDD ?does Das not mean GAPDD i.e Gurudwara Amrit Parchar Dharmic Diwan. Stop pulling the wool over everyones eyes. That website was made by Kulvinder Singh & the Bradford lot, it does not represent Oldbury or Wycombe.

A Gurudwara is where you have a Guru Granth Sahib & Nishan Sahib so In India it is not a Dera it has always been Gurudwara Nirmal Kutia. So where the hell is all this Dera nonsense coming from?

Also I have been to Nirmal Kutia & Jeet himself uses 'Gurudwara Nirmal Kutia letterhead'

Das APDD is saying one thing & Jeet Singh is saying another. Jeet in court is saying he is a Bhekh & Das APDD is going on about Baba Roshan Singh who has nothing to do with Bhekh! Stop confusing the youth with your lies and treachery. This situation is all about taking control of UK Gurudwara's , so all beware.

It's all fair & well saying go to Johla, but there are men with guns standing outside, not a very nice place to go. Please don't bring Dhan Guru Nanak & Dhan Guru Gobind Singh into any discussion about phekh pakundi Baba's. Kulvinder Singh & his associates from Bradford have muddied and destroyed everything that Baba Gian Singh achieved in the UK by Setting up Gurudwara's here for the Sangat, NOT TO BE PUT IN JEETS PERSONAL NAME.

Over & out

[KING_SINGH]

:gg: I have heard of the Sacha Sauda Cult & the Singhs murdered in Bombay recently has anyone heard of the Johlanwala Cult, headed by Jeet Singh? there are reports that they are trying to take over Gurudwara's in England and have attacked Sikhs & murdered Singhs in Panjab.

Please see Panthic Weekly article

http://www.panthic.org/news/123/ARTICLE/2798/2006-10-04.html

I have heard of this situation, its all over the news. The 3 Gurudwara's in the UK have memorial plaques outside which confirm that the 3 Gurudwara's Oldbury, Bradford & Wycombe were opened by Gian Singh Maharaj & that they are 'Gurudwara's' affiliated to the eccliastical institution of Baba Karam Singh Ji Hothi Mardan. If Das Apdd is saying that they were opened by a dera then they are very misinformed. Jeet himself is saying he has left the institution of Karm Singh i.e mainstream Sikhi , so who the hell is Das APDD? what the hell is APDD ?does Das not mean GAPDD i.e Gurudwara Amrit Parchar Dharmic Diwan. Stop pulling the wool over everyones eyes. That website was made by Kulvinder Singh & the Bradford lot, it does not represent Oldbury or Wycombe.

A Gurudwara is where you have a Guru Granth Sahib & Nishan Sahib so In India it is not a Dera it has always been Gurudwara Nirmal Kutia. So where the hell is all this Dera nonsense coming from?

Also I have been to Nirmal Kutia & Jeet himself uses 'Gurudwara Nirmal Kutia letterhead'

Das APDD is saying one thing & Jeet Singh is saying another. Jeet in court is saying he is a Bhekh & Das APDD is going on about Baba Roshan Singh who has nothing to do with Bhekh! Stop confusing the youth with your lies and treachery. This situation is all about taking control of UK Gurudwara's , so all beware.

It's all fair & well saying go to Johla, but there are men with guns standing outside, not a very nice place to go. Please don't bring Dhan Guru Nanak & Dhan Guru Gobind Singh into any discussion about phekh pakundi Baba's. Kulvinder Singh & his associates from Bradford have muddied and destroyed everything that Baba Gian Singh achieved in the UK by Setting up Gurudwara's here for the Sangat, NOT TO BE PUT IN JEETS PERSONAL NAME.

Over & out

ALL I GOT 2 SAY IS WHO GIVES U DA RIGHT TO TALK ABOUT MAHAPURKH'S IN SUCH A MANOR?

ALSO YOU HAVE BENN BRAINSWASHED BY KHERA AND HIS "CRONIES" BY LISTNING TO THERE SPEECHES

U TINK UR SUM BIG MAN WHO DONE ENOUGH PAAT AND SEVA?

CHEK U OUT UR HIDIN BEHIND SCREENS AND STUFF Y DOW U PUT UR NAME UP?

[pulaan haar]

Kingh Singh you are a funny geeza, have you posted you're name?

Who's hiding if you cant debate or stand the heat get out of the kitchen.

He aint no Mahapurkh, iv had his darshaan and i was gutted because ther'es nothing there? Just Pakandh, theres a big differnce of being the head sevadaar of a gurudwara and that of acclaiming to be a brahmgiani. When you meet a true mahapurkh you can tell, Iv been lucky enough to have the darshaan of Baba Gian Singh, Sant Harbhajan Singh Ji Brakhath, Baba Takhaar Singh and these were proper Sants you could just feel something when meeting them. There lifes and jevan are covered with stories thats showed that they were Bramgians.

What is it about the jevaan of jeeeth Singh that makes you thing he is a Sant. No one has a god given right to be a Santh it is earned through years of dedicated seva an Simran.

Not being interested in selling Mercedes donated by the sangat and in getting Gurudwara property put in you're own and families name.

[singh_1983]

Lies! I will reply when the samaa comes to me .

:gg:

I am very sorry to hear that certain people have been upset with the thread around fake Baba's and cults. I am pleased that some Sikhs know the truth.

In the latest issue of the Panjabi newspapers, the Oldbury Gurudwara Parbhandaks make it clear that Jeet Singh cult has left the samparda of Karm Singh Ji Hothi Mardaan & has become a Nirmal Bhekh Hardwari parcharak, these people are more Hindu than Sikh & are a cult they bathe at the Kumbh Mela & their leaders are called Pandits. If I have upset people with this dicsussion i am sorry but we as a nation need to stand up against these individuals as they are the enemies of Sikhi.

Singhballer with all respect you are just another naive person who does not know what is really going on in India or the UK, I suggest you grow up & respect my informed opinion as a sister. Singh_1983 knows what the truth... May Vaheguru give you the strength to continue speaking the truth.

by the way Sant Rosan Singh Samparda Karm Singh Hothi Mardan threatened legal action against both Jeet & Jaspal for using the name of the samparda under false pretences. Jeet has left mainstream Sikh and is a Hindu

I'm sorry but I cannot agree to you calling me naive. You say I don't know what going on in India? Tell me have you even in your life even gone to Johalan Dera? Have you ever had the Darshan of the Sants?

The only thing you know is what you've read in papers or what you have heard from Singhs in the Oldbury Gurdwara. You only know what you've learned from outer sources.

Heres the History

(I will give all the names of these people as soon as my Father returns)

During the end of the life of Sant Gian Singh Ji and Sant Harbhajan Singh Ji, a few "sewadaars" were "helping" the Sants to attain more land and have the deeds to the land put under the name of the Dera. The land that is under the name of the Dera is crores per acre.. an mind boggling amount of money when looked at as a whole. These men extracted money from within the transactions made to aquire the land. Afterward while the land was being registered they tried to put the land under their familys name and inturn literally control the Gurdwaras assets. When the Sants learned of this trickery from people whom were trusted by them they immediately told them to leave the Dera not to ever to return.. in a sense they were barred from the Dera. Most of the people went back to the U.K.. and guess to which place??

That's Correct! Oldbury Gurdwara. This happened 4-5 years ago.

The 3 Gurdwaras in the U.K which are credited to be made by the Dera were actually made by the people and not the Sants. When Sant Gian Singh Ji came to the U.K and Canada, the Sangats gave alot of Maya to Sant Ji. Sant Ji told the Sangat that he had not come to the west to collect money and told them to set up a Gurdwara where they could the Parchaar of Sikhi.. Thats how the Oldbury Gurdwara was made. They Dera NEVER in tries to take over the Gurdwaras in England. The Gurdwara was made by the Sangat for the Sangat and there has never been an approach made to take it over.. that is just a lie fed into the papers. Navtej paanji.. do you really trust the word of these decieving tricksters?

Those people who were told to leave the Gurdwara then tried to get the land through the courts.. and so they tried to sue the Dera for the land. But how can a truthfull Dera of Sadhus whos sole occupation is Waheguru lose a a court case threaded with lies? The Dera won all cases againts them. These same people manipulated the Newspapers.. which is what everyone is reading. They fed in lies to demfame the current Sants and and the Dera.. but the Preemis of the Dera know the truth. These people put in article after article about the Sants saying this in court or ordering the beating of a person.. all lies. I don't blame any of you for what you have said about the Dera or Sants, as it just shows how great of a job these people have done. You say the Oldbury Gurdwara Prabandaks say that Sant Ji has left the Hoti Mardan Sampardha.. well these Prabhandaks are the same who were thrown out of the Dera 4-5 years ago. They are the same who give these report to the paper.

My Father did seva at Johalan Dera every single day for 3 years. Someone here said that Sant Roshan Singh Ji stopped visiting Johalan Dera because of Sant Jeet Singh Ji. My father tells me that through that whole time he never had the Darshan of Sant Roshan Singh Ji at Johalan Dera, meaning that Sant Roshan Singh Ji never visited Johalan Dera. The only time Sant Roshan Singh Ji visited Johalan was when there was a Dastaar Bandi ceremony. The only time my dad has ever seen Sant Roshan Singh Ji was on the Dastaar Bandi of Sant Harbhajan Singh Ji.. and then obviously Sant Roshan Singh Ji came back to Johalan only 3-4 months later for the Dastaar Bandi of Sant Jeet Singh Ji and Sant Jaspaul Singh Ji after the passing of Sant Harbhajan Singh Ji Brakhath.

My Father did seva hand and hand with Sant Jeet Singh Ji for 3 years! Would you rather trust Punjabi Papers or the opinion of a person who spent years with Sant Jeet Singh Ji about what kind of a person Sant Ji is? Both the Sants have an Uchi Avasthaa. All the Shakti of the former Sants is now within Sant Jeet Singh Ji.. they are true Sants.

I plead with you to stop reading newspapers and listening to the cronies who call themselves Sikhs at Oldbury and ask people the actual TRUTH of the Dera. Ask Sant Jagjit Singh Ji Harkhowal Wale who are in the U.K right now too. If you really want to know about the Sants and Johalan Dera got to them and ask them.. plus they will surely give you the truth.. there can be no doubts about what they tell you.

(I will edit my post to further give more information.. as soon as my Father returns :D )

8 G.S

waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh

bhai sahib, i find your coments about the singhs from oldbury gurdwara and the fact the you claim that the dera does not want to have control of the gurdwaree in england obsurd to say the very least. you say you have the names of those people who tried to put the land of the dera in their own names, please provide their names. 2ndly, Jeet Singh has requested that the constituitions of all 3 ghurdwaree in england to be changed, of which bradford has agreed but oldbuy has not. oldbury gurdwara has changed the constitution as far as saying that if the gurdwara was ever to be closed down for what ever reason, the property of the gurdwara should be given to the akaal takht, the supreme throne of the sikh panth. Jeet Singh has tried to change the punj singhs that run the gurdwara, something which very rarely has occured in the past, in my recolection this has only occured once before in the history of the gurdwaree. it has to be asked why these singhs are being removed. when previous singhs have been removed from seva it has been due to mistakes that the sevadars have made, not just for the fun of it. the new commitee is now being run by the famous sheergill, the one who had control of smethwick gurdwara for many years. sheergill with the other new sevardars are now attempting civil action against those individuals that refuse to go against the hukam of the oldbury sangat. the hukam of the sangat, is to run the gurdwara how it has been running for the previous years.

you claim the gurdwara was made for the sangat, if this is the case, please let the sangat run the gurdwara as the sangat requests. the individuals who have run the gurdwara for the last 20odd years have been doing itwith the blessing of the sangat. the new committee that Jeet singh has chosen do not even do seva at oldbury, and have not been doing so for the last few years. sheergill, ragi harkeeval singh and the other recruits from cov, lesta, etc have not been doing nishkam seva for the last 5-10 years, with sum doing no seva watsoever, but still love coming to the gurdwara to try and force their way in.

your father has not seen sant roshan singh at johalaan, but this does not devalue the position and respect the baba ji holds, afterall baba ji did the dastar bandi of varakat ji, and in one of the photos of te dastar bandi you can see sant harbhajan singh ji bowing down to touch the feet of baba roshan singh ji. this shows he respect that the mahapurshs of johalaan have held for the mahapurks of hoti mardaan.

i hope baba ji is watching everything that is going on 2day, and the truth prevails. baba ji had love for simran n seva, that is why we see the rehat maryada of the gurdwara being so strict, as mahapurck wanted seva to be done how it should be. may the gursikhs keep their love for doing seva of the sangat, and not forget that this is the most improtant thing here.

the thing that baffles me the most, is why would jeet singh want to change how the gurdwaraa have been run. the old saying of..."if its not broke, dont try to fix it" springs to mind. hopefully the truth prevails.

and bhai sahib, i am some1 who has been fortunate to have the darsham of baba gian sinh ji, baba harbhajan singh ji, and have also met Jeet Singh ji. i have been to the dera on many, many occasions, and have been luky enough to speak to sevadaars who have lived, slept and eaten with baba gian singh ji and value their opinion vary highly, but at the very same time i am some who is nothing but a slave of the darbar of guru granth sahib ji maharaj. the only thing that i can say of this issue is that nots let forget to build our own jeevan while tryng to argue about the jeevan of others.

wahegur ji ka khalsa waheguru j ki fateh

Before you start giving it large and accusing Sant of non appropriate things, look at yourself and do a spell check, i dont understand half the things youve said

waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh

firstly i woud like to apologise for not meeting the appropriate grammar requirements of yourself. i would address you personally by name, but you have failed to leave it. secondly, you have tried a very good diversion tactic of avoiding all the issues raised by myself and others that have responded. if after reading my reply for maybe a 2nd or 3rd time you still fail to understand me, please let me know, as im sure i could borrow some pencil crayons from a nephew of mine and draw you some pictures. but on the other hand you may wish to have a proper debate on the issues at hand, if so please feel free to post something which we all may learn something from.

waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh

[Singhballer]

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[Khalsa 4 life]

Kingh Singh you are a funny geeza, have you posted you're name?

Who's hiding if you cant debate or stand the heat get out of the kitchen.

He aint no Mahapurkh, iv had his darshaan and i was gutted because ther'es nothing there? Just Pakandh, theres a big differnce of being the head sevadaar of a gurudwara and that of acclaiming to be a brahmgiani. When you meet a true mahapurkh you can tell, Iv been lucky enough to have the darshaan of Baba Gian Singh, Sant Harbhajan Singh Ji Brakhath, Baba Takhaar Singh and these were proper Sants you could just feel something when meeting them. There lifes and jevan are covered with stories thats showed that they were Bramgians.

What is it about the jevaan of jeeeth Singh that makes you thing he is a Sant. No one has a god given right to be a Santh it is earned through years of dedicated seva an Simran.

Not being interested in selling Mercedes donated by the sangat and in getting Gurudwara property put in you're own and families name.

Respect to you Bruv these loosers have been brainwashed by a cult, for all in doubt about this Pakandi Baba Jeet cult & others like Ram Rahim check this video out..........

Bhekh's don't believe in Amrit & don't wear the 5K's so if Jeet is saying he was appointed by bhekh himself ( in the courts) why are all these murakhs talking about Baba Roshan Singh doing the dastarbandi? point is Baba Roshan Singh told Jeet to make a trust at Johla which he didn't & Baba Roshan Singh is a Puran Gursikh who wears all 5 Kekars. Sant Baba Jarnail Singh ji Bhindrawala, even he didn't call himself a Baba, he always said he was a Guru da Sikh, only because the Panth respected his supreme sacrifice that we all call him Baba- they are Mahaan Shaheed Gursikh. What the hell has Pakandi Jeet ever done for the Panth? apart from bring Shergill to cause <banned word filter activated> in Oldbury & bring the excommunicated pervert Kulvinder back on the scene. These two guys are really bad news. Guru Phalla Kare.

Bradford APDD should be renamed 'Nirmal Bhekh Dera Bradford'. bunch of Murakhs!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7208673952106733394

The Akal Takht is onto these Baba's, so lets do an ardass that the Panth address this, If Baba Jarnail Singh Ji Bhindranwala was around he would have sorted these 'wolves in sheeps clothing' out a long time ago.

Navtej Kaur Bheji , why have you gone so quiet? I thought you wanted the truth, is it too hard to deal with or something?

[Singhballer]

Sant Jeet Singh Ji made me a Sikh.. Is that not enough?

[KING_SINGH]

:gg: I have heard of the Sacha Sauda Cult & the Singhs murdered in Bombay recently has anyone heard of the Johlanwala Cult, headed by Jeet Singh? there are reports that they are trying to take over Gurudwara's in England and have attacked Sikhs & murdered Singhs in Panjab.

Please see Panthic Weekly article

http://www.panthic.org/news/123/ARTICLE/2798/2006-10-04.html

I have heard of this situation, its all over the news. The 3 Gurudwara's in the UK have memorial plaques outside which confirm that the 3 Gurudwara's Oldbury, Bradford & Wycombe were opened by Gian Singh Maharaj & that they are 'Gurudwara's' affiliated to the eccliastical institution of Baba Karam Singh Ji Hothi Mardan. If Das Apdd is saying that they were opened by a dera then they are very misinformed. Jeet himself is saying he has left the institution of Karm Singh i.e mainstream Sikhi , so who the hell is Das APDD? what the hell is APDD ?does Das not mean GAPDD i.e Gurudwara Amrit Parchar Dharmic Diwan. Stop pulling the wool over everyones eyes. That website was made by Kulvinder Singh & the Bradford lot, it does not represent Oldbury or Wycombe.

A Gurudwara is where you have a Guru Granth Sahib & Nishan Sahib so In India it is not a Dera it has always been Gurudwara Nirmal Kutia. So where the hell is all this Dera nonsense coming from?

Also I have been to Nirmal Kutia & Jeet himself uses 'Gurudwara Nirmal Kutia letterhead'

Das APDD is saying one thing & Jeet Singh is saying another. Jeet in court is saying he is a Bhekh & Das APDD is going on about Baba Roshan Singh who has nothing to do with Bhekh! Stop confusing the youth with your lies and treachery. This situation is all about taking control of UK Gurudwara's , so all beware.

It's all fair & well saying go to Johla, but there are men with guns standing outside, not a very nice place to go. Please don't bring Dhan Guru Nanak & Dhan Guru Gobind Singh into any discussion about phekh pakundi Baba's. Kulvinder Singh & his associates from Bradford have muddied and destroyed everything that Baba Gian Singh achieved in the UK by Setting up Gurudwara's here for the Sangat, NOT TO BE PUT IN JEETS PERSONAL NAME.

Over & out

ALL I GOT 2 SAY IS WHO GIVES U DA RIGHT TO TALK ABOUT MAHAPURKH'S IN SUCH A MANOR?

ALSO YOU HAVE BENN BRAINSWASHED BY KHERA AND HIS "CRONIES" BY LISTNING TO THERE SPEECHES

U TINK UR SUM BIG MAN WHO DONE ENOUGH PAAT AND SEVA?

CHEK U OUT UR HIDIN BEHIND SCREENS AND STUFF Y DOW U PUT UR NAME UP?

ALSO IN ADDITION TO THAT ID LIKE TO SAY YOUR TRYING TO CONFUSE EVEYONE, SANT BABA JEET SINGH IS ONLY TRYING TO GET PEOPLE TO DO AMRIT, WHICH I BELEIVE HE IS VERY SUCCESFULL IN DOING. HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE U INLIGHTENED TO DO AMRIT????. AND WHAT PROOF DO YOU HAVE THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE WITH GUNS OUTSIDE, THERES THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE THAT GO THERE EVERY WEEK WITH THERE CHILDREN. ALL THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE GOT A PROBLEM WITH SANT BABA JEET SINGH HAVE BEEN POISENED BY THE MEDIA. AND YOU NEED TO GO THERE AND SEE FOR YOYUSELF WHAT HAS CHANGED (WHICH IS NOTHING)

[Singhballer]

At Night, Sadhus of the Dera take turns to stand outside the entrance guarding the Dera.. and they dont have guns rather they have a spear .

[pulaan haar]

Singhballer Paji, Im glad that the katah or jevaan of Jeet Singh inspired you take amrit.

Paji may be the exprience you have had there is differnt to the one I have had, I really do wish that Jeet Singh was this Sant, Brahm Giani that you think he was. My family has been going Nirmal Kotia for over the last 20 years, and when a Brahm Giani passes away you are sadend and hope that there is sum one that can take there place and help you on this hard path. Unfortunately I have learned that this man isnt what you think or what I wish he was.

But as 1 veer ji put no point argueing about his Jeevan, As the saying goes you can lead a horse 2 water but u cant make it drink. you guys dont want to hear the truth, which is understandable as alot of our families have been going to the dera as you put it 4 many years and sometimes the truth can hurt or it is easier to be ignorant.

See no evil, hear no evil.

The fact is that the Majority of the regular sangat at Oldbury Gurdwara dont believe in him and are trying there best to cary on with work that was started there by Baba Gian Singh ji, which is Seva, Simran and Amrith Pachaar.

We dont want random people that have neva come to the Gurudwara before that are known trouble causers that have bee recruited by Jeet Singh coming coming to try and force there way in. The fact that jeet Singh has recruited these peope speaks volume of his character.