Anti Dasam Granth Brigade Coming To Bay Area--watch

[Genius]

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f you would like to know more about the Singh Sabha Canada mission statement, I found that on www.<banned>.com . I understand that they operate around 45 Gurmat Parchar Centers in India that do spread Gurbani Veechar in about 300 villages. They carry out anti-drug education seminars in villages. They are holding regular seminars across India about female foeticide. Their leader Gurcharan Singh Brar was the only one to highlight and make a show of opposition against Sadh Bhanyare Wala`s so called Granth when it showed up in Canada. By the way it is the same Sadh who has burnt various saroops of Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji. So they are just not Anti Dasam Granth singhs, they are way more than that.

How can you analyse (do Veechar) something without reading it. You seem to contradict yourself here. Teachers in schools, colleges & universities simply don't expect the students to read REPEATEDLY but to UNDERSTAND what is being READ. Guru is our Teacher and Sikh means a student. I hope you see the point.

They follow approved Sikh Code of Conduct by doing Dar Parvaan, and not Bhog, because Guru ji is shabad saroop. Jamdoot was a fear tactic used by Brahmin where Gurbani refers to as faults in one's character. Guru ji used the popular language of the time to teach and make it easier for people to understand. It still holds true today.

Regarding Dharam Raj, they explain that when God is inside every one of us, and is watching us at all times, then why would you need some third party to make decision. Gurbani says that `andar raja takhat hai`.

Regarding 84 Lakh joon, Gurbani refers to His Creation as unlimited and beyond our understanding. How can we or anybody else put a limit on His creation. Even Guru ji states this in Gurbani. Their arguments make sense to me.

If this is what they are preaching, it seems to me in line with Gurmat Rehat Meryada. How can you say that those people are atheists?

It is so easy in today's world to label people opposing your personal views as RSS Agents, Kala Afganis, Ghagaists, and Missionary etc. We get so wound up in Anti Sikh conspiracy theories that we start to suspect everybody around us and then whatever they say doesn't hold any value anymore. Yet we are unwilling to invest time to read, understand, and then implement the teachings of Gurbani of Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji.

Where we go wrong is when people take bits & pieces of information from multiple sources on both sides and take hard line positions on them and forget that they themselves should read & UNDERSTAND Sri Guru Granth Sahib entirely before forming their opinions. If we were to do that then we will have only One source to read from, only One source of knowledge, only One objective, and then we will not have these conflicts.

This is all a lie. They preach atheism whereever they have presence. They have practically no presence in PUnjab. Their presence is some missionary schools who preach atheism.

Gurcharan Jeonwala is a confirmed liar and an atheist. I thought you were to discuss Dasam granth here. now you are widenning the field. It is not possible to have discussion on multiple subjects simultaneously.

Joginder spokesman was a leading opponent of Dasam granth to start with. Now he has started coming out of closet and is casting doubts on whole sikh philosophy. He is writing against SGGS also.You have no shame to contradict what i wrote above. It is amazing that you are ignoring it completely. Are you a sikh even.

Have you understood SGGS ji completely. Then tell us what is meant by naam simran?Where in SGGS is written there is no soul and no incarnation.Please reply.

Request To moderator: Singh sabha is a heretic body who are old communists and who are operating in the garb of sikhism. They do not believe that sikhs need to ahev hair. I will request that the link provided by genius should be removed as their philosophy is anti sikh.

I was not here to discuss Dasam Granth or widen any `fields of discussion`. I simply listed what I have learned reading and listening to both sides.

How can you have a discussion about something when even before you know the other party's views, you are ready to declare them guilty without a charge?

Seems to me you simply want to have this forum to represent one group's views and call that as an impartial discussion. Is that going to further the cause of Sikhism? May be you should read Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji and find out how many times the word `Veechar`is listed in various forms and what it means. Then calmly contemplate on the Shabad Gurbani and understand what Guru ji trying to tell us all !

Why cry for removing the link. Let people visit their website, read what they have to say, compare your side views against their, and make an informed decision. You do have that right here in Western Educated & Civilized society. Don't you!

[Inder Singh]

I was not here to discuss Dasam Granth or widen any `fields of discussion`. I simply listed what I have learned reading and listening to both sides.

How can you have a discussion about something when even before you know the other party's views, you are ready to declare them guilty without a charge?

Seems to me you simply want to have this forum to represent one group's views and call that as an impartial discussion. Is that going to further the cause of Sikhism? May be you should read Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji and find out how many times the word `Veechar`is listed in various forms and what it means. Then calmly contemplate on the Shabad Gurbani and understand what Guru ji trying to tell us all !

Why cry for removing the link. Let people visit their website, read what they have to say, compare your side views against their, and make an informed decision. You do have that right here in Western Educated & Civilized society. Don't you!

I have read their views. I have seen videos also. These are doctored videos and are meant for propaganda. In one videos

Gurucharan jeonwala is telling that he was a student of Khalsa college amritsar in 1950s. he visited Golden temple and

per him there was no Dukhbhanajni beri that time. he says that beri was planted afterwards.

From above one can conclude he is lying and that too nakedly. How he is lying, see the logic below

1) He claims to be 60 years old. That means he was born around 1949. How can he attend a college

when he was 10 years old only.

2) There are people alive who are eighty years old. They have seen this beri in 1930s and even before that.

From above it is proved that the man is a liar and is hired by anti sikh forces for propaganda.

Why should people go to that site whose job is to conduct only and only propaganda.

What veechar you will have when you guys do not believe in

1) Soul

2) naam simran

3) Karma

4) reincarnation.

[Inder Singh]

I got this email today.

- On Wed, 8/19/09, Amardeep Singh <akhalsa@gmail. com> wrote:

From: Amardeep Singh <akhalsa@gmail. com>

Subject: Boycott::Gurcharan Singh Jeeonwala Coming to Bay Area on August 22nd Saturday

To: "FG" <pac@fgselection. com>

Date: Wednesday, August 19, 2009, 1:39 PM

Khalsa jee,

Taking strong and suo-moto exception to the alleged blasphemous writings and statements by Prof Inder Singh Ghagha and Gurcharan Singh Jeeonwala an alumnus of Sikh Missionary College, Ludhiana, Akal Takht had already directed the Sikh sangat to stop him forthwith from carrying out his religious activities all over the world.

In a directive issued on the letter head of Akal Takht, the Jathedar also took similar action against Prof Ghagha's associates, Mr Gurcharan Singh Jeeonwala, including Mr Manjit Singh Sahota, Mr Karamjit Singh Gill, Mr Amandeep Singh Kang, Mr Gurmit Singh , Mr Parminder Singh Parmar, Mr Jasbir Singh Mangat and their associates.

Finding the remarks too obnoxious, the Akal Takhat this time directed the Sikhs not to allow Prof Ghagha and his associates to speak from any gurdwara or panthic stage.

Earlier, one Bhag Singh of Ambala was also excommunicated on the same grounds for writing against 'benati choupai' and 'ardas'. However, he had presented himself before the Akal Takht and sought forgiveness. Later, Mr Gurbax Singh Kala Afghana was excommunicated from the Sikh panth for the same reasons.

Of late, many petitions had been pouring in against Prof Ghagha, He and his group had been indulging in blasphemous writings against the Sikh ideology and 'gurbani', they allege.

Interestingly, Ghagha and jeeonwala claims himself to be associated with missionary colleges but the Sikh Missionary College, Ludhiana, declared that he was not associated with the institute. The same statement had come from Gurmat Gian Missionary College where Ghagha was teaching. Mr Gurcharanjit Singh Lamba, editor of the community journal Sant Sipahi, criticsed these statements saying that merely saying that he was not associated with them had no meaning unless these institutions condemned the writings of Ghagha and Kala Afghana.

Prof Ghagha and Jeeonwala who had been an ardent supporter of cop-turned- Sikh scholar Gurbakhsh Singh Kala Afghana, is presently in Canada. His speeches there triggered physical clashes between rival groups and the atmosphere was getting surcharged.

Ghagha started with casting aspersions against the 'bani' of Guru Gobind Singh and then came down to passing adverse remarks on the 'bani' and history of all the gurus.

The Akal Takhat directive has also given a stern direction to Sikhs not to cooperate in any of the seminars and conventions organised by Ghagha and his associates.

As we all know that Gurcharan Singh Jeeonwala is coming to Hayward on 22 August, Saturday at 31083 Mission Blvd Hayward CA (Mountain Mikes Pizza) <img style="height: 1px;" height="1" width="1"><img style="height: 1px;" height="1" width="1">and below is the contact information for organizers.

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510-432-5827 510-774-5909 and 408-209-7072

Please see attached Sandesh from Akal takhat sahib

[Genius]

I got this email today.

- On Wed, 8/19/09, Amardeep Singh <akhalsa@gmail. com> wrote:

From: Amardeep Singh <akhalsa@gmail. com>

Subject: Boycott::Gurcharan Singh Jeeonwala Coming to Bay Area on August 22nd Saturday

To: "FG" <pac@fgselection. com>

Date: Wednesday, August 19, 2009, 1:39 PM

Khalsa jee,

Taking strong and suo-moto exception to the alleged blasphemous writings and statements by Prof Inder Singh Ghagha and Gurcharan Singh Jeeonwala an alumnus of Sikh Missionary College, Ludhiana, Akal Takht had already directed the Sikh sangat to stop him forthwith from carrying out his religious activities all over the world.

I still advise that the best way to handle these guys is to have a discussion with them face to face in a civilized manner. Let their so called experts answer your questions and get your so called experts to answer their questions. Have it recorded and present this to general public and let them decide for themselves what is the truth.

[ms514]

VAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA, VAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

"I don't know if discussion ever killed anybody. Arguing certainly has."

You're right...there is a place called Damdama Sahib where Professor Darshan Singh was called to to discuss. Perhaps he should take his peoples there and have a discussion rather than going to places where people like me are sitting and have no in depth knowledge of Dasam Granth Sahib and present a one sided arguement.

What's the point of going door to door Gurudwaras - why not just nip it in the bud and go to Damdama Sahib and accept the challenge to debate? After all, if the truth is on your side, why is there a shyness to go there. They are your fellow siblings last time I checked.

[Inder Singh]

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still advise that the best way to handle these guys is to have a discussion with them face to face in a civilized manner. Let their so called experts answer your questions and get your so called experts to answer their questions. Have it recorded and present this to general public and let them decide for themselves what is the truth.

Discussions with whom? They are not amritdharis, do not do nitnem, take liquour, do not believe in naam simran etc etc.

They do not know when was Dasam granth written?

Do not know when it was compiled.

Do not know what message it gives.

Do not have any knowldge of what is the meaning of metaphors, symbolism and myths that are extensively used in Dasam granth.

Any stupid may raise such doubts on scriptures sitting in their bed rooms. Sikhs have been instructed by a matta of akal takhat not to have any dialogue with these gurnindaks. Do you obey akal takhat? if so why are you advising us to have dialogue with a bunch of fools.

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What's the point of going door to door Gurudwaras - why not just nip it in the bud and go to Damdama Sahib and accept the challenge to debate? After all, if the truth is on your side, why is there a shyness to go there. They are your fellow siblings last time I checked.

he is barred fromGurudwaras by an edict from akal takhat. He collects a few goonda brigade and goes to pizza parlour and then uses a goonda's languge to spread hatred about tenth amster's scripture.

Latest that these goondas have started spredaing hatred for SGGS also.

[Genius]

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still advise that the best way to handle these guys is to have a discussion with them face to face in a civilized manner. Let their so called experts answer your questions and get your so called experts to answer their questions. Have it recorded and present this to general public and let them decide for themselves what is the truth.

Discussions with whom? They are not amritdharis, do not do nitnem, take liquour, do not believe in naam simran etc etc. Is prof. Darshan Singh not Amritdhari? He is ex-Jathedar of Akal Takhat. He does do his Nitnem. He does not drink. As a matter of fact he preaches against it using Gurbani. One group's naam simran definition is different from another's.

They do not know when was Dasam granth written? I don't believe anybody does.

Do not know when it was compiled. I don't believe anybody does this either.

Do not know what message it gives. I think that is what the main point of contention between pro and anti groups.

Do not have any knowldge of what is the meaning of metaphors, symbolism and myths that are extensively used in Dasam granth. I think Prof. Darshan Singh with nearly 64 years in Gurbani knowledge would be a better candidate on that subject than any of younger kids debating on it on the internet.

Any stupid may raise such doubts on scriptures sitting in their bed rooms. When people refer to others as stupid simply because their views are different or are of challenging nature, this displays both ignorance and ego, not the qualities of a Sikh.

Sikhs have been instructed by a matta of akal takhat not to have any dialogue with these gurnindaks. There is an edict to answer these fools' questions to promote Dasam Granth then who are these intellectuals are trying to reply to. Isn't that a debate going on where the environment gets emotionally charged and nothing ever good comes out that? Why not have the same thing in private.

Do you obey akal takhat? I do believe in the authority of Akal Takhat but not in the character of the individual currently presiding over it. All jathedars are simply political puppets and continuously fighting among themselves over petty issues exhibiting their egos and lack of knowledge.

if so why are you advising us to have dialogue with a bunch of fools. There is an edict to answer these fools' questions to promote Dasam Granth then who are these intellectuals are trying to reply to. Isn't that a debate going on where the environment gets emotionally charged and nothing ever good comes out that? Why not have the same thing in private, which is what I have been advising.

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What's the point of going door to door Gurudwaras - why not just nip it in the bud and go to Damdama Sahib and accept the challenge to debate? After all, if the truth is on your side, why is there a shyness to go there. They are your fellow siblings last time I checked.

he is barred fromGurudwaras by an edict from akal takhat. There is an advisory (Sandesh) issued by Akal Takhat not let this individual speak from a Gurghar stage. That is NOT the same as being banned from a Gurughar, which is what you implied in your comments.

He collects a few goonda brigade and goes to pizza parlour and then uses a goonda's languge to spread hatred about tenth amster's scripture. I called the pizza parlour franchise owner and headquarters and they both confirmed that there was NO discussion, seminar or information session ever held at any of their locations. The venue was voluntarily shifted to another larger location once the speakers became aware of the nature of location.

I hope you are a man (Sikh) enough to apologize for spreading misinformation about above two points. Guru ji defined this as Nindya.

Latest that these goondas have started spredaing hatred for SGGS also. I just got hold of a an audio recording of their seminars from somewhere in Canada and all they talk about is how the pro Dasam Granth group justifies Charitro Pkhyan`s erotic contents by labelling some shabads of SGGS as erotic or sexually expletive in nature. They are actually proving to their audience that even those shabads in SGGS are not as being portrayed by pro Dasam Granth group.

[Inder Singh]

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Is prof. Darshan Singh not Amritdhari? He is ex-Jathedar of Akal Takhat. He does do his Nitnem. He does not drink. As a matter of fact he preaches against it using Gurbani. One group's naam simran definition is different from another's.

i thought we were talking about jeonwala.

Regarding Ragi darshan singh I will not call him professor because he is tenth grade and is a self made phoney prof. Was he not called to a meeting at damdama sahib in 2007? Yes he was called. He did not go there. Any explanation for that.

I don't believe anybody does.

It is known when dasam Granth was written as there are manuscripts available. These people do not know that.

I don't believe anybody does this either.

It was compiled in 1696 and 1698. What makes you say that nobody knows that.

I think that is what the main point of contention between pro and anti groups.

They have not read it. how they know what message it gives?

][/b] I think Prof. Darshan Singh with nearly 64 years in Gurbani knowledge would be a better candidate on that subject than any of younger kids debating on it on the internet.

Ragi darshan singh is a paid ragi. He can do kirtan from a hand written lsip in front of him. He has not seen the agtes of institute of higher learning and nor has he done any bhagti. That is the raeson he is making a fool of himself when interpreting Dasam granth.

There is an edict to answer these fools' questions to promote Dasam Granth then who are these intellectuals are trying to reply to. Isn't that a debate going on where the environment gets emotionally charged and nothing ever good comes out that? Why not have the same thing in private.

Sikhs are instructed not to enter a debate with jeonwala jundli. Read edict from akal takhat above.

I do believe in the authority of Akal Takhat but not in the character of the individual currently presiding over it. All jathedars are simply political puppets and continuously fighting among themselves over petty issues exhibiting their egos and lack of knowled

Those who question authority of akal takhat are not sikhs. dasam granth is part and parcel of sikhism. Those who speak against Dasam granth are termed as mischief mongers by an edict.

There is an edict to answer these fools' questions to promote Dasam Granth then who are these intellectuals are trying to reply to. Isn't that a debate going on where the environment gets emotionally charged and nothing ever good comes out that? Why not have the same thing in private, which is what I have been advising.

Dasam granth is bani of Guru sahib. We are not going to have debate with any traitor who disputes that. PLease note it in your diary.. We will answer them appropriately when they condemn Dasam granth. but there is no debate on this issue whether it is bani of tenth master or not. Sikhs consider it as bani of tenth master.

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There is an advisory (Sandesh) issued by Akal Takhat not let this individual speak from a Gurghar stage. That is NOT the same as being banned from a Gurughar, which is what you implied in your comments.

That is as good as edict.

I hope you are a man (Sikh) enough to apologize for spreading misinformation about above two points. Guru ji defined this as Nindya.

I stand by what i said. He is name calling dasam granth in goonda's language. if he condemns the bani of my Guru do not expect me to be polite to such goondas.

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I just got hold of a an audio recording of their seminars from somewhere in Canada and all they talk about is how the pro Dasam Granth group justifies Charitro Pkhyan`s erotic contents by labelling some shabads of SGGS as erotic or sexually expletive in nature. They are actually proving to their audience that even those shabads in SGGS are not as being portrayed by pro Dasam Granth group

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they need to undersstand the format in which charitropakhayan is written. Answer this to us

Is charitropakhayan entertaining?

[Inder Singh]

genius of jeonwala made a blanket satement that nobdy knows about when Dasam granth was compiled. nothing can be more misleading and mishievous than this.

Genius ji please see below and show to jeonwala

http://www.patshahi1...erhs&Itemid=106

<h2 class="contentheading"> Glimpse of the oldest available beerh of Sri Dasam Granth from 1698 AD </h2> Contents from the rare handwritten beerh of Sri Dasam Granth compiled in 1755 Bikrami (1698 A.D.), one year before the formation of Khalsa. The date when this historic beerh was compiled is given in the introductory paragraph. This beerh is preserved at Takhat Sri Patna Sahib. It is noteworthy that Guru Gobind Singh Sahib's bani "Zafarnamah" which was written in 1704 A.D., six years after this beerh was compiled, does not feature in this beerh. Also noteworthy is the name of the granth that appears on the top, "Patshah Dasven Ju Ka Granth" (The Granth of the Tenth Master). The year mentioned on this handwritten beerh is also significant because Bhai Kesar Singh Chibber too in Bansavalinama records that Guru Gobind Singh Sahib had himself compiled the Granth in 1755 Bikrami (1698 A.D.), and this Chhota Granth^[1] was very dear to him. Evidently this is one of the oldest beerhs which Guru Sahib himself compiled before the formation of the Khalsa. Later compilations of the complete banees of Guru Gobind Singh Sahib is attributed to Bhai Mani Singh. ਛੋਟਾ ਗਰੰਥ ਜੀ ਜਨਮੇ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਦਸਵੇਂ ਪਾਤਸ਼ਾਹ ਕੇ ਧਾਮ।

ਸੰਮਤ ਸਤਾਰਾਂ ਸੈ ਪਚਵੰਜਾ, ਬਹੁਤ ਖਿਡਾਵੇ ਲਿਖਾਰੇ ਨਾਮ।

ਸਾਹਿਬ ਨੂੰ ਸੀ ਪਿਆਰਾ ਹਥੀਂ ਲਿਖਿਆ ਖਿਡਾਇਆ। ਸਿਖਾਂ ਕੀਤੀ ਅਰਦਾਸ, 'ਜੀ ਅਗਲੇ (ਭਾਵ ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ) ਨਾਲਿ ਚਾਹੀਏ ਰਲਾਇਆ'।

ਬਚਨ ਕੀਤਾ, 'ਗਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਹੈ ਉਹ, ਏਹ ਅਸਾਡੀ ਖੇਡ ਹੈ।'

ਨਾਲਿ ਨ ਮਿਲਾਇਆ ਆਹਾ ਪਿਆਰਾ, ਕਉਨ ਜਾਣੈ ਭੇਦ। ਸੋ ਦੋਨੋ ਗਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰ ਕਿਰ ਜਾਨੋ। ਵਡਾ ਹੈ ਟਿਕਾ ਗੁਰੂ ਗੁਟਕੇ ਪੋਥੀਆਂ ਪੁਤਰ ਪੋਤਰੇ ਕਿਰ ਪਛਾਨੋ

(ਬੰਸਾਵਲੀਨਾਮਾ, ਭਾਈ ਕੇਸਰ ਸਿੰਘ ਛਿੱਬਰ) [1] Kesar Singh Chibber calls the granth as Chotta Granth (small granth) in relation to the status of Sri Guru Granth Sahib

The first paragraph is transcribed below: ੴਸ੍ਰੀਵਾਹਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

ਸ੍ਰੀਭਗਉਤੀਜੂਸਹਾਇ

ਤਤਕਰਾ ਸੁਚੇਪੱਤ੍ਰਸ੍ਰੀਗ੍ਰਿੰਥਜੂਕਾ

ਬਾਣੀ ਪਾਤਿਸਾਹਦਸਵੇਂਜੂਕੇਗ੍ਰਿੰਥਕਾ

ਸੰਬਤ 1755.ਮਿਤੀਅਸਾੜਬਦੀ1

ਕੋਗ੍ਰਿੰਥਲਿਖਿਆ: ਤਵਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ

ਸ੍ਰੀਮੁਖਵਾਕਪਾਤਿਸਾਹੀ10

Picture Courtesy: Sant Sipahi Magazine

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vijaydeep Singh - There is one more such copy |2009-07-07 11:03:51 Gurfateh

As per the recent talk with Jathedar Patna Sahib, there is another similar copy with the SGPC, after the personal meeting with the Jathedar Ji, more info will be sent. This only proves that in Punjab also, we had copies of this text.

We need to do research to find who was the scribe, most probably Baba Binod Singh Ji.

If we see the index above we find two more proof of this work by the Tenth Master during Samvat 1755 (1698 AD). Like Zafarnama was written after this, so were "Mitar Piare Nu" and "Jagat Jot Japai Nis Basur.."

So in the index if we see page number 37, we find 32 Svayyes and not 33 as in present form. And on page 318, we find 9 Sabads in Shabad Patshahi Dasvi while at present we have 10.

So it appears that not only Zafarnama but two more compositions written after 1698 AD are also missing in this volume as they came into existence after this volume was complied.

More research is needed for this. Reply | Quote

Prof. Balwinder Singh - Sri Dasam Granth Sahib |2009-08-19 10:14:39 There is one hand written copy of Sri Dasam Granth Sahib at Gurudwara Sahib at Kapurgarh village near Malerkotla.Four handwritten birs of Guru Granth Sahib Ji are also there.It is for the information of all sangat. <a href="javascript:JOSC_reply(58)">Reply | Quote

Genius

THis is the knowledge of so called Ragi darshan singh, A parchi reader and not a professor .

http://www.patshahi1...ertan&Itemid=76

<h2 class="contentheading"> Darshan Singh Ragi's blasphemy </h2> Prof Darshan Singh Ragi's anti-Sikh views in his own words "GURU GOBIND SINGH SAHIB VS GURMAT" By hinting that Guru Gobind Singh Sahib's writings are anti-Gurmat and by showing a clear and direct defiance to Guru Gobind Singh Sahib, Darshan Singh dares to redefine 'Gurmat' by proposing to "accept those writings of Guru Gobind Singh Sahib which are in accordance with Gurmat"

"SAYS SRI DASAM GRANTH STINKS" Using much derogatory language for the second most important Sikh scripture that contains the banees of Nitnem, Amrit Sanchar and Ardas, Darshan Singh asks if people dont get stench from Sri Dasam Granth Sahib

Now one begs to ask when Darshan Singh himself was performing keertan and kathafrom Sri Dasam Granth and collecting sangat's hard-earned money was he then counting it by closing his nostrils?

"CALLS SRI DASAM GRANTH A BRAHMIN AND PROPOSES TO THROW THAT BRAHMIN OUT"

Maybe Darshan Singh has now forgotten his own keertan from Sri Dasam Granth (ਛਤ੍ਰੀ ਕੌ ਪੂਤ ਹੌ ਬਾਮਨ ਕੋ ਨਹਿ)

"NO PROOF OF NITNEM BANEES" Giving a direct hit in the gut of Sikh principles and traditions Darshan Singh claims that there is no proof that Guru Sahib recited the banees which are now recited during Amrit Sanchar

"FEAR" There is hardly any gurdwara in the world where the parkash of Sri Dasam Granth is done. And the places (two Takhats) where it is done, it is at a lower level and in the presence of Sri Guru Granth Sahib. Darshan Singh tries to fuel a non-issue and instill unnecessary fear among sangat by alleging that some people want to challenge and replace Sri Guru Granth Sahib by Sri Dasam Granth Sahib.

"CRUSADE AGAINST TAKHAT SRI HAZOOR SAHIB" When the whole Sikh quam's attention is towards Takhat Sri Hazoor Sahib for the 300 year celebration of the Gurgaddi to Sri Guru Granth Sahib, Darshan Singh advices the Sikhs not to go to Hazoor Sahib for the celebrations. Stooping low he even proposes to sabotage Takhat Sahib's 'golak'

By misusing the stage of Bangla Sahib, Delhi on 21 March, 2008, Ex-Ragi Darshan S had the audacity to call Sach Khand Sri Hazoor Sahib as a dukaan "shop". He advises sangat not to go there so that "these shops" are shut down. Jahangir too had called Sach Khand Sri Harimandir Sahib as a dukaan and dared to close it down

"IN ADDITION TO SRI DASAM GRANTH THERE ARE 20 to 25 OTHER 'GRANTHS' UNDER THE NAME OF GURU GOBIND SINGH SAHIB" Maybe Darshan Singh should care to provide references and evidences to the outrageous claims that he makes in sangat. As with his other comments, this comment too holds no truth, but is a product of his own imagination.

"DARSHAN SINGH'S (UN)KNOWLEDGE ABOUT SRI DASAM GRANTH AND ITS HISTORY"

Darshan Singh: "There are more than 15 beerhs of Sri Dasam Granth under the name of Bhai Mani Singh". Fact: There is only one 'Bhai Mani Singh beerh' which right now is in the possession of the family of Raja Gulabh Singh. Bhai Mani Singh beerh has the banees of both the granths, Sri Guru Granth Sahib and Sri Dasam Granth Sahib, in one bind. Click here to see some pictures of Bhai Mani Singh beerhalong with other important beerhs of Sri Dasam Granth

Darshan Singh: "Why there is no mention of Amrit Sanchar in Sri Dasam Granth?" He challenges Guru's wisdom by asking, "ki Guru bhul gaya?" ("Did Guru forget?") Fact: Almost every composition within Sri Dasam Granth has been sealed with the date when that composition was written (completed) and the place where Guru Sahib wrote that composition. Some examples: ਸੱਤ੍ਰਹ ਸੈ ਪੈਤਾਲ ਮਹਿ ਸਾਵਨ ਸੁਦਿ ਥਿਤਿ ਦੀਪ॥ ਨਗਰ ਪਾਂਵਟਾ ਸੁਭ ਕਰਨ ਜਮਨਾ ਬਹੈ ਸਮੀਪ ॥2490॥

(This work has been completed) in the year 1745 of the Vikrami era in the Sudi aspect of the moon in the month of Sawan, (July 1688 A.D.) in the town of Paonta at the auspicious hour, on banks of the flowing Yamuna. (Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib in 'Krishnavtar') ਸੰਬਤ ਸਤ੍ਰਹ ਸਹਸ ਭਿਣਜੈ ॥ ਅਰਧ ਸਹਸ ਫੁਨਿ ਤੀਨਿ ਕਿਹਜੈ ॥ ਭਾਦ੍ਰਵ ਸੁਦੀ ਅਸਟਮੀ ਰਵਿ ਵਾਰਾ ॥ ਤੀਰ ਸਤੁਦ੍ਰਵ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸੁਧਾਰਾ ॥405॥

This (part of) Granth was completed on Sunday, the 18th day of month of Bhadon, in 1753 Bikrami Sammat (August 24, 1696 A.D.) on the banks of river Satluj. (Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib in 'Charitropakhyan') ਸੰਮਤ ਸੱਤ੍ਰਹ ਸਹਸ ਪਚਾਵਨ॥ਹਾੜ ਵਦੀ ਪ੍ਰਿਥਮੈ ਸੁਖ ਦਾਵਨ ॥ਤ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ਕਰਿ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸੁਧਾਰਾ ॥ਭੂਲ ਪਰੀ ਲਹੁ ਲੇਹੁ ਸੁਧਾਰਾ ॥860॥

This (part of) Granth has been completed (and improved) in Vadifirst in the month of Asaarh in the year 1755 Bikrami; if there has remained any error in it, then kindly correct it. (Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib in 'Ramavtaar') It was a brilliant idea to record the date, time, place and year of the completion of this work. This is also evident from the closing lines of Chritropakhyan, the fourteenth composition. Guru Sahib writes: "On the banks of river Satluj the granth was completed on Sunday, Bhadro Sudi Eighth 1753 bikrami(1696 A.D). This closes the dialogue between the King and his ministers and with this the four hundred and four episodes come to a good end". ਸੰਬਤ ਸਤ੍ਰਹ ਸਹਸ ਭਣਿਜੈ॥ ਅਰਧ ਸਹਸ ਫੁਨਿ ਤੀਨਿ ਕਹਿਜੈ॥ਭਾਦ੍ਰਵ ਸੁਦੀ ਅਸਟਮੀ ਰਵਿ ਵਾਰਾ। ਤੀਰ ਸਤੁਦ੍ਰਵ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸੁਧਾਰਾ।।405॥ਇਤਿ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਚਰਿਤ੍ਰ ਪਖਯਾਨੇ ਤਿਆ ਚਰਿਤ੍ਰੇ ਮੰਤ੍ਰੀ ਭੂਪ ਸੰਪਾਦੇ ਚਾਰ ਸੌ ਚਾਰ ਚਰਿਤ੍ਰ ਸਮਾਪਤ ਸਤੁ ਸੁਭਮ ਸਤੁ।।404।।7555।।ਅਫਜੂੰ।।

So the internal evidence shows that major part (except for Zafarnamah that was written in 1704 AD) of 'Sri Dasam Granth' (or 'Patshah Dasven Ji Ka Granth' as it was called at that time) was completed in 1696 AD. Hence it is common sense that Sri Dasam Granth could not contain references to those events and incidents that took place later on such as 'Formation of Khalsa' (1699 AD) and 'Battle of Chamkaur' (1704 AD). However those incidents that took place before 1696 AD, such as 'Battle of Bhangani' (1686 AD), have been meticulously reported by Guru Sahib in his writings.

Now Darshan Singh either knows the facts and is trying to ignore them, or he does not know the facts. If the former is true then he clearly has some vicious motive behind spreading hatred for Guru Gobind Sahib and his banee. And if the latter is true then he should spend time learning and understanding a subject, instead of spreading wrong information among sangat. Click here to view the oldest beerh of Sri Dasam Granth from 1698 AD.

Darshan Singh: "Sri Dasam Granth came into existence 100 years after Guru Gobind Singh Sahib. It was made by collecting some material from Guru Sahib's library" Fact: The first part of Darshan Singh's claim holds no truth. The internal dates from different compositions, the beerh of 1698 AD, and later compilation of the complete banees of Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib by Bhai Mani Singh Ji in 1721 AD, proves beyond any doubt that the banees and the Granth was present during the time of Guru Gobind Singh Sahib.

Darshan Singh first criticises the banees of Sri Dasam Granth, and then without any supporting evidence claims that Sri Dasam Granth was made by collecting different material from the library of Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib, hence again attacking the wisdom of Guru Gobind Singh Sahib.

"ATTACKS ARDAAS" Towing the line of Arya Samaj, RSS and Dayanand, Darshan Singh shamelessly criticizes the entire Guru Panth and panthic leadership which formulated the Sikh Rahit Maryada. Darshan S shamelessly attacks Vaar Sri Bhaguati ji ki, the first pauree of our Ardaas, by saying that "even then there were these type of people who put this durga devi's prayer in our Rahit Maryada". "DISTORTS HISTORY AND MAKES HIS OWN 'COCK & BULL STORY" Darshan Singh appears to be a compulsive liar. Bhai Kahn Singh in 'Gurmat Martand' published by SGPC records the fact of history that Bhai Mani Singh ji had collected the complete banees of Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji and compiled Sri Dasam Granth, and Baba Deep Singh ji had brought it to Damadama Sahib. At Damdama Sahib the Singhs discussed whether Sri Dasam Granth Sahib should be kept in one volume or preserved in different volumes subject-wise. This clearly shows that Sri Dasam Granth Sahib was there with them in one bind. There was no dispute about the authorship of the Granth. The Singhs were only discussing the matter and there was no dispute. Bhai Kahn Singh notes that Sukha Singh and Mehtab Singh told the gathering that if they come back after accomplishing their mission of killing Massa Rangarh then this volume prepared by Bhai Mani Singh ji be preserved, otherwise it be kept in separate pothis.

However, reversing this historic incident to suit his own anti-Sikh agenda, Darshan S concocts his own cock and bull story and casts aspersions on Bhai Kahan Singh by saying that the compositions were present in different volumes and that the singhs were fighting amongst themselves on whether they should combine different compositions in one bind. Misquoting the historical event he further states, "Sukha Singh & Mehtab Singh said if we come back after killing Massa Ranghar then these separate pothis be combined in one volume, otherwise let these remain unbound".

"A COMPUSIVE LIAR" Ex-Ragi Darshan S had been doing keertan from every composition of Sri Dasam Granth including chritro-pakhyan, bachittar natak, chandi di vaar, chaubis avtar etc. And now he is spitting venom against all these banees.

When asked by his own self-arranged-interviewer about this changed stance, he replies that he was doing keertan of those compositions which conform with the ideology of Sri Guru Granth Sahib, and he still continues to do the keertan of those compositions.

The truth is that Darshan S is on record of criticising every banee from Sri Dasam Granth which he himself was revering and was doing keertan and katha of at one time.

Why did he suddenly change his belief and turn his guns towards Dasam bani is anyone's guess.

[Inder Singh]

I called the pizza parlour franchise owner and headquarters and they both confirmed that there was NO discussion, seminar or information session ever held at any of their locations. The venue was voluntarily shifted to another larger location once the speakers became aware of the nature of location

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You are a big liar also like your organization. From where did you get the phone number of that pizza.