African/kenyan Style - Pagh/ Dastaar

[Bundha]

Well done guys, pat your selves on the back, yet another innocent thread descends into argument, over what? Oh yes, style of dastaar.

Nice one kids, keep it up - Sikhi dha berra gharack kar-daynaa !

[mcjalebi]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rOQ_EP1Ot0

check the link out....its quite a nice video....respect!

[Cisco_Singh]

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<br />Lets be quite honest about here people....The fact is the Kenyan style pagh (the most common and popular pagh in the UK among the younger generation) is more of a hat than a pagh. In fact its even more of a solid hat than a hat.<br />

<br />Utter rubbish, a proper Kenya pagh is more stable than these India wale "jatt" paghs, they were worn in both world wars when the singhs in the British army didn't wear helmets so they are definetly Imcomparible to hats! Granted nowadays there is a version which is basically a hat because it's starched which is a joke but true Kenya pagh is fine<br />

<br /><br />Thats strange. All my male relatives on both my mothers and fathers side, including grandfathers, great-grandfathers and great great grandfathers were in the British Army...all over the world,in places such as Hong Kong, Burma, Fiji etc...and every last one of them wore what you describe as 'jatt' style paghs. <img src='http://www.sikhsangat.com/public/style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':o' /> <br />Are you sure you're not confusing the proud Sikh soldiers that fought freely and bravely around the world...with the semi-indentured sikh labourers that were signed up and shipped to build the railways in east Africa ? Me thinks you are. <img src='http://www.sikhsangat.com/public/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' /><br />

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Intresting...I came across some intresting viewpoints, what do you lot think of this concept...not my own views just seeing what general consensus is..before I did some reading, I never quire considered this viewpoint....

Now were the Skhs who fought for the British army really what you call free and brave....or what some people would call traitors !

Speak to some Nihangs, they say most of the real Singhs died fighting against the British in the Anglo-Sikh wars and then in the freedom fighting movement afterwards...they consider the ones who joined the British army as traitors fighting for the enemy..

[Matheen]

It's completely off-topic, but by that time, we had a common enemy in Hitler. Fighting in WW1 and 2 was for a good cause, the army paid well and people got trained up.

There had been no Sikh resistance against the British for a very long time. If you're talking about soon after the Anglo-sikh wars, then yes, they were traitors. However almost 100 years later, it was a different situation. In the end, in 1947, the British didn't betray us, our own people did.

[DalbirSingh]

Its a simple procedure (or algorithm)

watch these 2 videos and study them try follow along best way to learn is ask someone to show you and learn practically.

at the moment these 2 videos as close as that turban style comes. The key to this style is in the front point how big you want this (depends on how far back or near you finish your first laar and how you finish it)

also key is you ear lobes, if you are going to expose you ear lobes and if so how much.

The material you use I will recommend Full voile, malmal f74 is the proper material for a real as they say small hat like kenyan paagh people starch that material to thinken up,

its best you tie your turban everyday take it off layer by layer and tie layer by layer, i will suggest tying a patka or keski/parna underneath anything as a base. If you want a bigger

turban use the material called Rubia. Ignore this nonsense about jatt and tarkhan paagh. Both turban styles are worn by Sikhs who descend from both Hindu caste ancestories, the african

style was made famous by the British Sikh regiment who was employed and settled in east africa this also included Sikhs of hindu jatt ancestory. And the Indian desi style was made famous

by the patialla raja, its called the patialla shahi 2 5mtr malmal f74 material stitched width wise with a small amount of starch the colour of the fifty and material reflects the patialla fashions of seasons, modifications and alternations of the 2 exist but in essence both turbans follow the same procedure and are different pretty much in folding style and smaller adjustments which people tend to apply from either style to either one.

Step 1) get 5 meters of full voile fold it width wise perfectly flat, crease free, wrinkle free, perfect with alot of tension taking care as the better this is the better the turban and easier to tie

Step 2) Start from your mouth region take the material over from your left hand side in a perfect layer going in a / fashion back to the left

repeat

the goal of this procedure is to start with a / to slowly repeat till you get a \ the combination produce upside down v or A repeat this in a rubber band method.

Your left side goes up while your right side goes down.

Your adjustments of this procedure will allow you to personalise this style to your comfort, style, headshape and fashion style.

It may be nice to take a reference image of some bodies turban style and to mimic.

I really like Bhai Sahib Mohinder Singh's style http://www.rfp-europe.eu/images//Mohinder%20Singh.JPG

http://www.parliamentofreligions.org/_includes/FCKcontent/Image/bhai_sahib_mohinder_singh_ji.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1a/Bhai_MohinderSingh_GNSSJ.jpg

However to do more like rdb style the difference is the V is extended wider out to make more of a _ shape this means you start higher up on your ear lobe and on the other ear finish earlier on, on the other ear lobe.

once you have created the rubber band effect open the first laar cover the top tuck all 4 corners in, pull the laar back and tuck it in.

This same procedure works for the Indian style just like both styles you need to take alot of care spend 1-2hrs when you first start work on it like a real piece of art, it is a deep expression and will personalise you. Try get what suits you. Some people like to iron the flat fold for a crisper finish. Choose your material carefully I highly highly recommend full voile.

Best shop in London for turban materials is Global enterprise in southall near Sikh missionary society.

[mala]

The Sikh Kaum is full of stirrers and troublemakers who make issues out of the design of dastars and link it to a superiority matrix. It's even more disheartening to see youth still have the koorh in their mindset and have the audacity to label a dastar" jatt or tarkaan".

[DalbirSingh]

Some kenyan style turban images

Sikh from British regiment; the british would court martial anyone who trimmed even 1 hair of there body, the british knew this was the source of the Sikhs warrior strength

Bhai Sahib Mohinder Singh GNNSJ Bham doing Ardas

Baba ji Puran Singh Kericho wale

Sikh being inspected by British superior in Sikh regiment

Vedanti ex jathedar of akal takht playing Golf, today most jathedars and head granthis of akal takht and harmander sahib and other takhts wear this style which is formed from the kenyan style it is flat folded and can have 8-12 laars in India

Fashionable Sikh guy has interleaved 2 turban materials cleverly in Kenyan style to produce the effect having a separate material for fifty

Guru Nanak Neshkaam Sewak jatha kirtan program

Jathedars and Bhai sahib they do not have back laars in there dastars, nor start from mouth

Bhai sahib from G5media doing kirtan many more photos of youths to see

Bhai Mohanpal Singh from G5media doing kirtan many more photos of youths to see

Bhai Jagjeet Singh Juggy from G5media doing kirtan many more photos of youths to see

Sikh from african descent his father was Sikh respected followers of yogi bhajan 3HO

Sikh meets boy ruler of persian nation

Sikh from 1970s the most style when the kenyan style is thought of with huge points, the fashion of bigger points was prominent in kenya lesser in Uk

Sikh from Sikh regiment

Turban rocket from Sikhnet.com

Bhai Sahib Sri Singh Sahib Yogi Bhajan master of kundalani yoga 3ho

Bhai Mohinder Singh GNNSJ

Bhai Mohinder Singh GNNSJ

Sikhs doing Gatka in Kenya sporting kenyan style turbans

Sikh bagpiper 2 turbans interleaved

GNNSJ Sanjha program

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On Left below Bhai Mohinder Singh GNNSJ On right below Sikh from ww2 in Sikh regiment

[DalbirSingh]