Sucham

[Guest ___]

Please can someone explain sucham to me. I find this to be confusing as people simply say you cant do something because its not sucha without a real reason for it.

[innergear]

Please can someone explain sucham to me. I find this to be confusing as people simply say you cant do something because its not sucha without a real reason for it.

It is about purity, and keeping yourself on the rehat. Please tell us more about what you was doing when they told you not to be sucha?

[Guest Bundha]

Guru Gobind Singh Ji are very suchay and are very particular about sucham, so as his sevaks we need to take care to be as sucha as possible, this is part of our rehat Maryadha.

Remember there are different types of suchum - one of the body and one of the mind. Our body is a temple and we need to keep it clean as possible. J

ust think if you have a pot, unless that pot is clean then whatever you put into it will become khraab. In the same way our body is the vessel and unless we keep it pristine then when we put naam simran into it, it will not have the desired effect.

Then there is the suchum of the mind - keep your thoughts clean, do not think ill of anyone, do not do nindhyia or chuggli and keep your thoughts firmly on Akaal Purkh Ji. Together this creates a platform for your naam simran, now when you do nimran the effect is incredible and your avastaa shoots up.

[Guest ___]

Please can someone explain sucham to me. I find this to be confusing as people simply say you cant do something because its not sucha without a real reason for it.

It is about purity, and keeping yourself on the rehat. Please tell us more about what you was doing when they told you not to be sucha?

Scenario...

You cannot have western food served in langar because it is not sucha but it is ok to make punjabi food because that is.

Is the food supplies used in western countries to make dhal parshada, degh etc not the same as is used in making western food? ie the ingredients used in degh is still processed by machines and humans who do not follow the path of Sikhi but this is ok for degh but nothing else. Dhal and sabji processed in western countries, atta and other tinned / packet sabji is ok but western vegeterian foods are not?

Using this ideology, unless the food is being imported from Khalsa families in India by a Khalsa airline and Khalsa courier, does that not make the food not matter what it is... non sucha?

The normal way of emphasising a point is, baba ji told us, or flana mahapursh said so.

[Guest Bundha]

You cannot have western food served in langar because it is not sucha but it is ok to make punjabi food because that is.

Where did you get this scenario?

Western food is not served in langar because most sangat is used to eating dhal/sabzi/roti etc and also because it is traditional.

However I have been to Gurdwara and they have been serving pizza and chips and baked beans. I have also had veggi spring rolls

at Gurdwara , which I think have their origins in the far east.

I don't think there is a restriction of western food, it all depends on what it is.

[Tera]

Someone asked me this a while back and the best way I could explain sucham in food was to think of it as advanced hygiene. For example...

In my thaal, I got my daal roti etc... before I start to eat this is sucha (presuming whoever made it washed hands etc first) and my hands are also suchey (presuming I washed them). When I start to eat and my hands are going in mouth and in daal on roti etc, then my germs etc on now all over the food and my hands... therefore my hands, roti, daal and therefore thaal are no longer suchey/clean. For me to then share my food with someone or to share contact (pass someone else a roti) is spreading your germs...

At the very least, makes perfect sense hygienically

[Guest aka]

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I have found that alot of people complain about certain westernised foods and how they should not be eaten or be served in a gurdwara. For example alot of gurdwaras do chips and beans, yet people argue that we should not serve chips and beans as they are not sucha. :umm: I find this odd as chips are made with the same potatoes that are used in the sabji that is made in the gurdwara. Alot of peole have a problem with serving westernised food by using the word that it is not sucha by who has handled or made the food yet the milk/butter we use in the langar for degh etc is made here and is not made on a farm where amritdharis are handling everything. My point being is that where do we draw the line on sucham, is it ok in sucham rules to eat the butter and drink the milk probabaly coming from a farm where the gore smoke etc but we cannot eat other foods made in this country, eg beans ??

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[Ajinder Singh]

Guru Gobind Singh Ji are very suchay and are very particular about sucham, so as his sevaks we need to take care to be as sucha as possible, this is part of our rehat Maryadha.

Remember there are different types of suchum - one of the body and one of the mind. Our body is a temple and we need to keep it clean as possible. J

ust think if you have a pot, unless that pot is clean then whatever you put into it will become khraab. In the same way our body is the vessel and unless we keep it pristine then when we put naam simran into it, it will not have the desired effect.

Then there is the suchum of the mind - keep your thoughts clean, do not think ill of anyone, do not do nindhyia or chuggli and keep your thoughts firmly on Akaal Purkh Ji. Together this creates a platform for your naam simran, now when you do nimran the effect is incredible and your avastaa shoots up.

this is the best explanation ive heard!all senior singhs would say this!! ...and langar should always be simple thats why its not pizza simple parshada and dhall like darbar sahib serves it ...simple is best !

[Guest Papi]

and langar should always be simple thats why its not pizza simple parshada and dhall like darbar sahib serves it ...simple is best !

No, langar should be healthy and easy to digest so that it does not cause disease in the body. Remember, simple does NOT always equal healthy or good.

Langar these days, at least where I live is quite unhealthy. Too much butter, too much spices, too much tarka...every time I have it, I find myself burping it 6 hours later even! which means it's still sitting in my stomach, not good.

[Ajinder Singh]

yeah for sure healthy too ahahah