Death...

[soorma18]

Why does God take good people when they are still at a young age? When there are so many murderers,rapists,people on death row etc etc living life wastefully?

Reason daas is asking is because i recently lost someone close to me who was young,a very good person at heart with many years ahead of them. And i just want to know what guru ji says about anything to do with this topic.

[AmarjitKaur]

Why does God take good people when they are still at a young age? When there are so many murderers,rapists,people on death row etc etc living life wastefully?

Reason daas is asking is because i recently lost someone close to me who was young,a very good person at heart with many years ahead of them. And i just want to know what guru ji says about anything to do with this topic.

If I understand anything about it, then its all karma. We do karm in our previous lives based on which we are chosen to do accordingly in this lifetime. There must be some good plan behind this. I know someone who recently lost a 22yr old only son to cancer. To parents, he is son, to society he is young person, to sister he is only brother and if he was married then dear husband to wife, if had kids then only father for kids. But to GOD, he is a soul sent to pay off his past karma. Now he has been chosen to leave this physical body here and move the soul to do whatever GOD decided to do next for him.

So similarly, we are all souls. Yeah, we have woven a net of relationships here with friends, relatives and created a whole drama of earning money, building properties, buying flashy clothes and eating fancy foods etc. etc. But does it really all matter??

We are souls, given the best form (human) to get ourselves released out of this karmic/life cycle. Physical body is just a vessel/vehicle to get things done.

Analogy is like current goes through cables. Current is the main thing, cables just carry it from one place to another. If current is dead, cables are good for nothing. So similarly, soul goes merges with GOD (if he did enough bhagati etc), but if not, then soul takes some another form (only god knows what, I cann't judge).

I am sorry for your loss though. Hopefully, I made some sence to you and not made you feel even more sad. If you understand the whole play, it won't hit you that hard.

This Shabad is by Bhagat Sheikh Fareed Ji in Salok Fareed Jee on Pannaa 1383

PrIdw drIAwvY kMn@Y bgulw bYTw kyl kry ]

fareedhaa dhareeaavai ka(n)nhai bagulaa bait(h)aa kael karae ||

Fareed, the crane perches on the river bank, playing joyfully.

kyl krydy hMJ no AicMqy bwj pey ]

kael karaedhae ha(n)jh no achi(n)thae baaj peae ||

While it is playing, a hawk suddenly pounces on it.

bwj pey iqsu rb dy kylW ivsrIAW ]

baaj peae this rab dhae kaelaa(n) visareeaaa(n) ||

When the Hawk of God attacks, playful sport is forgotten.

jo min iciq n cyqy sin so gwlI rb kIAW ]99]

jo man chith n chaethae san so gaalee rab keeaaa(n) ||99||

God does what is not expected or even considered. ||99||

[Chakarvarti]

I think the problem is in thinking that this body is ours. The body is just merely rented and a vehicle. The greatest example of acceptance of Gods will was Guru Arjan Dev Ji who was tortured and made to sit on a hot plate and boiled alive, even though all this suffering, he still repeated tera keia mitha lageh, (what ever you do is sweet to me)

P.S God doesnt only take good people at a young age he also takes bad people aswel

[AmarjitKaur]

Why does God take good people when they are still at a young age? When there are so many murderers,rapists,people on death row etc etc living life wastefully?

Reason daas is asking is because i recently lost someone close to me who was young,a very good person at heart with many years ahead of them. And i just want to know what guru ji says about anything to do with this topic.

I realized I didnt' really answer your real question. The right answer would be "only GOD knows". We cann't.

But if I have to guess from the tuchh budhi I have, then I think the state those bad people are living in, is another way of GOD making them go through hell. The thoughts, the conditions, the state of mind they have, thats all in itself a punishment. But if a same person on death row, started doing bhagati and naam japna, that same punishment became a blessing (now that s/he doesn't have to be bothered by running the life routine like we do and got plenty of time to do naam simran). So it depends. Person could be repaying the karma here or in next birth.

There are people who live long lives but in very bad condition suffering. But also there are people who live long lives and have done nam simaran almost whole life. One is punishment, one is blessing.

To conclude my comments, this lifetime, the state we live in (whatever it is), if it is lived while connected with that one vaheguru, the giver, the protector, then its blessing.

But if we lived it in thinking that life is truth and death is false, We are truth and GOD is false, then same life is a part of hell we are living through.

Hope I havn't offended anyone. These are just general findings of life, not targetted to any single person. Apply as much on myself as on any single reader out there.

[soorma18]

so the amount of time a person will stay alive on earth is based on their past karm?

[TejiKaur]

Gurufateh g

main prob is

ppl think that life is real and death is the end

we have lost the connection with our soul

it is NOT ENOUGH TO BELIEVE IN GOD BUT WE MUST KNOW GOD

we must RISE TO THE FOUTH STATE ABOVE ALL PAIN N PLEASURE LIFE AND DEATH WE MUST FIND THE TRUTH AND BREAK MOH

SEE NOONE BUT GOD

THE SOUL DOES NOT LIVE OR DIE

ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ ॥

बिलावलु बाणी भगता की ॥

Bilāval baṇī bẖagṯā kī.

Bilaaval, The Word Of The Devotees.

ਕਬੀਰ ਕੀ

कबीर जीउ की

Kabīr jī▫o kī

Of Kabeer Jee:

ੴ ॥

ੴ सति नामु करता पुरखु गुर प्रसादि ॥

Ik▫oaʼnkār saṯ nām karṯā purakẖ gur parsāḏ.

One Universal Creator God. Truth Is The Name. Creative Being Personified By Guru's Grace:

ਐਸੋ ॥

ऐसो इहु संसारु पेखना रहनु न कोऊ पईहै रे ॥

Aiso ih sansār pekẖnā rahan na ko▫ū pa▫īhai re.

This world is a drama; no one can remain here.

ਸੂਧੇ ॥

सूधे सूधे रेगि चलहु तुम नतर कुधका दिवईहै रे ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥

Sūḏẖe sūḏẖe reg cẖalhu ṯum naṯar kuḏẖkā ḏiva▫īhai re. ||1|| rahā▫o.

Walk the straight path; otherwise, you will be pushed around. ||1||Pause||

ਬਾਰੇ ॥

बारे बूढे तरुने भईआ सभहू जमु लै जईहै रे ॥

Bāre būdẖe ṯarune bẖa▫ī▫ā sabẖhū jam lai ja▫īhai re.

The children, the young and the old, O Siblings of Destiny, will be taken away by the Messenger of Death.

ਮਾਨਸੁ ॥੧॥

मानसु बपुरा मूसा कीनो मीचु बिलईआ खईहै रे ॥१॥

Mānas bapurā mūsā kīno mīcẖ bila▫ī▫ā kẖa▫īhai re. ||1||

The Lord has made the poor man a mouse, and the cat of Death is eating him up. ||1||

ਧਨਵੰਤਾ ॥

धनवंता अरु निरधन मनई ता की कछू न कानी रे ॥

Ḏẖanvanṯā ar nirḏẖan man▫ī ṯā kī kacẖẖū na kānī re.

It gives no special consideration to either the rich or the poor.

ਰਾਜਾ ॥੨॥

राजा परजा सम करि मारै ऐसो कालु बडानी रे ॥२॥

Rājā parjā sam kar mārai aiso kāl badānī re. ||2||

The king and his subjects are equally killed; such is the power of Death. ||2||

ਹਰਿ ॥

हरि के सेवक जो हरि भाए तिन्ह की कथा निरारी रे ॥

Har ke sevak jo har bẖā▫e ṯinĥ kī kathā nirārī re.

Those who are pleasing to the Lord are the servants of the Lord; their story is unique and singular.

ਆਵਹਿ ॥੩॥

आवहि न जाहि न कबहू मरते पारब्रहम संगारी रे ॥३॥

Āvahi na jāhi na kabhū marṯe pārbarahm sangārī re. ||3||

They do not come and go, and they never die; they remain with the Supreme Lord God. ||3||

ਪੁਤ੍ਰ ॥

पुत्र कलत्र लछिमी माइआ इहै तजहु जीअ जानी रे ॥

Puṯar kalṯar lacẖẖimī mā▫i▫ā ihai ṯajahu jī▫a jānī re.

Know this in your soul, that by renouncing your children, spouse, wealth and property -

ਕਹਤ ॥੪॥੧॥

कहत कबीरु सुनहु रे संतहु मिलिहै सारिगपानी रे ॥४॥१॥

Kahaṯ Kabīr sunhu re sanṯahu milihai sārigpānī re. ||4||1||

says Kabeer, listen, O Saints - you shall be united with the Lord of the Universe. ||4||1||

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ਕਹੀ ॥

कही न उपजै उपजी जाणै भाव अभाव बिहूणा ॥

Kahī na upjai upjī jāṇai bẖāv abẖāv bihūṇā.

The soul is not born, even though he thinks it is born; it is free from birth and death.

ਉਦੈ ॥੩॥

उदै असत की मन बुधि नासी तउ सदा सहजि लिव लीणा ॥३॥

Uḏai asaṯ kī man buḏẖ nāsī ṯa▫o saḏā sahj liv līṇā. ||3||

When the mortal gives up his ideas of birth and death, he remains constantly absorbed in the Lord's Love. ||3||

ਜਿਉ ॥

जिउ प्रतिबि्मबु बि्मब कउ मिली है उदक कु्मभु बिगराना ॥

Ji▫o parṯibimb bimb ka▫o milī hai uḏak kumbẖ bigrānā.

As the reflection of an object blends in the water when the pitcher is broken,

ਕਹੁ ॥੪॥੧॥

कहु कबीर ऐसा गुण भ्रमु भागा तउ मनु सुंनि समानां ॥४॥१॥

Kaho Kabīr aisā guṇ bẖaram bẖāgā ṯa▫o man sunn samānāʼn. ||4||1||

says Kabeer, just so virtue dispels doubt, and then the soul is absorbed in the profound, absolute Lord. ||4||1|| also

ਅਬ ॥

अब मनु उलटि सनातनु हूआ ॥

Ab man ulat sanāṯan hū▫ā.

My mind has now been restored to its original purity.

ਤਬ ॥

तब जानिआ जब जीवत मूआ ॥

Ŧab jāni▫ā jab jīvaṯ mū▫ā.

When I became dead while yet alive, only then did I come to know the Lord.

ਕਹੁ ॥

कहु कबीर सुखि सहजि समावउ ॥

Kaho Kabīr sukẖ sahj samāva▫o.

Says Kabeer, I am now immersed in intuitive peace and poise.

ਆਪਿ ॥੩॥੧੭॥

आपि न डरउ न अवर डरावउ ॥३॥१७॥

Āp na dara▫o na avar darāva▫o. ||3||17||

I do not fear anyone, and I do not strike fear into anyone else. ||3||17||

ਗਉੜੀ ॥

गउड़ी कबीर जी ॥

Ga▫oṛī Kabīr jī.

Gauree, Kabeer Jee:

ਪਿੰਡਿ ॥

पिंडि मूऐ जीउ किह घरि जाता ॥

Pind mū▫ai jī▫o kih gẖar jāṯā.

When the body dies, where does the soul go?

ਸਬਦਿ ॥

सबदि अतीति अनाहदि राता ॥

Sabaḏ aṯīṯ anāhaḏ rāṯā.

It is absorbed into the untouched, unstruck melody of the Word of the Shabad.

ਜਿਨਿ ॥

जिनि रामु जानिआ तिनहि पछानिआ ॥

Jin rām jāni▫ā ṯinėh pacẖẖāni▫ā.

Only one who knows the Lord realizes Him.

ਜਿਉ ॥੧॥

जिउ गूंगे साकर मनु मानिआ ॥१॥

Ji▫o gūnge sākar man māni▫ā. ||1||

The mind is satisfied and satiated, like the mute who eats the sugar candy and just smiles, without speaking. ||1||

ਐਸਾ ॥

ऐसा गिआनु कथै बनवारी ॥

Aisā gi▫ān kathai banvārī.

Such is the spiritual wisdom which the Lord has imparted.

ਮਨ ॥

मन रे पवन द्रिड़ सुखमन नारी ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥

Man re pavan ḏariṛ sukẖman nārī. ||1|| rahā▫o.

O mind, hold your breath steady within the central channel of the Sushmanaa. ||1||Pause||

ਸੋ ॥

सो गुरु करहु जि बहुरि न करना ॥

So gur karahu jė bahur na karnā.

Adopt such a Guru, that you shall not have to adopt another again.

ਸੋ ॥

सो पदु रवहु जि बहुरि न रवना ॥

So paḏ ravhu jė bahur na ravnā.

Dwell in such a state, that you shall never have to dwell in any other.

ਸੋ ॥

सो धिआनु धरहु जि बहुरि न धरना ॥

So ḏẖi▫ān ḏẖarahu jė bahur na ḏẖarnā.

Embrace such a meditation, that you shall never have to embrace any other.

ਐਸੇ ॥੨॥

ऐसे मरहु जि बहुरि न मरना ॥२॥

Aise marahu jė bahur na marnā. ||2||

Die in such a way, that you shall never have to die again. ||2||

ਉਲਟੀ ॥

उलटी गंगा जमुन मिलावउ ॥

Ultī gangā jamun milāva▫o.

Turn your breath away from the left channel, and away from the right channel, and unite them in the central channel of the Sushmanaa.

ਬਿਨੁ ॥

बिनु जल संगम मन महि न्हावउ ॥

Bin jal sangam man mėh nĥāva▫o.

At their confluence within your mind, take your bath there without water.

ਲੋਚਾ ॥

लोचा समसरि इहु बिउहारा ॥

Locẖā samsar ih bi▫uhārā.

To look upon all with an impartial eye - let this be your daily occupation.

ਤਤੁ ॥੩॥

ततु बीचारि किआ अवरि बीचारा ॥३॥

Ŧaṯ bīcẖār ki▫ā avar bīcẖārā. ||3||

Contemplate this essence of reality - what else is there to contemplate? ||3||

ਅਪੁ ॥

अपु तेजु बाइ प्रिथमी आकासा ॥

Ap ṯej bā▫e parithmī ākāsā.

Water, fire, wind, earth and ether -

ਐਸੀ ॥

ऐसी रहत रहउ हरि पासा ॥

Aisī rahaṯ raha▫o har pāsā.

adopt such a way of life and you shall be close to the Lord.

ਕਹੈ ॥

कहै कबीर निरंजन धिआवउ ॥

Kahai Kabīr niranjan ḏẖi▫āva▫o.

Says Kabeer, meditate on the Immaculate Lord.

ਤਿਤੁ ॥੪॥੧੮॥

तितु घरि जाउ जि बहुरि न आवउ ॥४॥१८॥

Ŧiṯ gẖar jā▫o jė bahur na āva▫o. ||4||18||

Go to that home, which you shall never have to leave. ||4||18||

ਗਉੜੀ ॥

गउड़ी कबीर जी तिपदे ॥

Ga▫oṛī Kabīr jī ṯipḏe.

Gauree, Kabeer Jee, Ti-Padas:

ਕੰਚਨ ॥

कंचन सिउ पाईऐ नही तोलि ॥

Kancẖan si▫o pā▫ī▫ai nahī ṯol.

He cannot be obtained by offering your weight in gold.

ਮਨੁ ॥੧॥

मनु दे रामु लीआ है मोलि ॥१॥

Man ḏe rām lī▫ā hai mol. ||1||

But I have bought the Lord by giving my mind to Him. ||1||

ਅਬ ॥

अब मोहि रामु अपुना करि जानिआ ॥

Ab mohi rām apunā kar jāni▫ā.

Now I recognize that He is my Lord.

ਸਹਜ ॥

सहज सुभाइ मेरा मनु मानिआ ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥

Sahj subẖā▫e merā man māni▫ā. ||1|| rahā▫o.

My mind is intuitively pleased with Him. ||1||Pause||

ਬ੍ਰਹਮੈ ॥

ब्रहमै कथि कथि अंतु न पाइआ ॥

Barahmai kath kath anṯ na pā▫i▫ā.

Brahma spoke of Him continually, but could not find His limit.

ਰਾਮ ॥੨॥

राम भगति बैठे घरि आइआ ॥२॥

Rām bẖagaṯ baiṯẖe gẖar ā▫i▫ā. ||2||

Because of my devotion to the Lord, He has come to sit within the home of my inner being. ||2||

ਕਹੁ ॥

कहु कबीर चंचल मति तिआगी ॥

Kaho Kabīr cẖancẖal maṯ ṯi▫āgī.

Says Kabeer, I have renounced my restless intellect.

ਕੇਵਲ ॥੩॥੧॥੧੯॥

केवल राम भगति निज भागी ॥३॥१॥१९॥

Keval rām bẖagaṯ nij bẖāgī. ||3||1||19||

It is my destiny to worship the Lord alone. ||3||1||19||

ਗਉੜੀ ॥

गउड़ी कबीर जी ॥

Ga▫oṛī Kabīr jī.

Gauree, Kabeer Jee:

ਜਿਹ ॥

जिह मरनै सभु जगतु तरासिआ ॥

Jih marnai sabẖ jagaṯ ṯarāsi▫ā.

That death which terrifies the entire world -

ਸੋ ॥੧॥

सो मरना गुर सबदि प्रगासिआ ॥१॥

So marnā gur sabaḏ pargāsi▫ā. ||1||

the nature of that death has been revealed to me, through the Word of the Guru's Shabad. ||1||

ਅਬ ॥

अब कैसे मरउ मरनि मनु मानिआ ॥

Ab kaise mara▫o maran man māni▫ā.

Now, how shall I die? My mind has already accepted death.

ਮਰਿ ॥

मरि मरि जाते जिन रामु न जानिआ ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥

Mar mar jāṯe jin rām na jāni▫ā. ||1|| rahā▫o.

Those who do not know the Lord, die over and over again, and then depart. ||1||Pause||

ਮਰਨੋ ॥

मरनो मरनु कहै सभु कोई ॥

Marno maran kahai sabẖ ko▫ī.

Everyone says, "I will die, I will die".

ਸਹਜੇ ॥੨॥

सहजे मरै अमरु होइ सोई ॥२॥

Sėhje marai amar ho▫e so▫ī. ||2||

But he alone becomes immortal, who dies with intuitive understanding. ||2||

ਕਹੁ ॥

कहु कबीर मनि भइआ अनंदा ॥

Kaho Kabīr man bẖa▫i▫ā ananḏā.

Says Kabeer, my mind is filled with bliss;

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Ga▫i▫ā bẖaram rahi▫ā parmānanḏā. ||3||20||

my doubts have been eliminated, and I am in ecstasy. ||3||20||

[AmarjitKaur]

If you ask me, I don't know. If I tell you something, it would be guess or lie. I don't think anybody would have black and white answer for you.

Thats the thing, we don't know the drama of life. Still we pretend to know a lot. The day we are born, its decided right that day, how many breaths we are going to take on this earth in this human form.

All I know is that we should live it to the fullest what we got. We should be in resonance with God's will. By doing that we only cut the suffering in life for ourselves. We understand life better. Otherwise, we are eating, pooping, sleeping waking up and killing the precious time on this earth. Me guilty too.

What time goes, never comes back. So we should make it as fruitful as possible.

And nothing is better than reading bani, singing the hymns of GOD, doing community sewa, helping the needy. Being sweet to others seeing that they are the creation of that one GOD. If GOD is in us, GOD is in the person standing infront of us too. And so often we forget that. In this drama of life, all we usually see is me me and me. We should be earning our bread with hard work. Basically, what Guru Nanak said, nam japNa, kirat karni te vand chhakNa.

I may be giving unasked for opinions, but just speaking my mind.

[vikramjitsingh]

Fateh parwaan karro jiyo,

Time and again in Bani Guruji tells us that no one is 'thir' (everlasting). We are all 'ik dummis' ( single breath and do not know if the next breath will come).

And Guruji also tells us that our relatives or friends will not be of any assistance when then expiry time comes. Some go early and some live full lives. This is HIS domain and HE has kept an 'olaa' (behind the curtain) on death. And for that after death and rebirth.

So my request is where you grieve for a dearly departed its also a message that all of us will go some day. So take advantage of this human birth. In Rehras Sahib Guruji tells us ' that this human birth is an opportunity to meet the Lord'.

Now please allow me to lighten your mood. A man died and came in the presence of God and asked God , " You should have at least given me a hint that my time was nearing'! God said ,' I made your hair go white and you dyed your hair, I made your knees go bad and you got your knees replaced, I made your teeth go bad and you got dentures, I made you loose your hearing and you got a hearing aid...... you overlooked hint after and hint and you say I did not let you know your times was nearing?'

I recall I was playing golf with an elderly gentleman and there was another elderly gentleman in the 'four ball' who kept talking about death. Now this elderly gentleman took me to the side and said,' I know death is inevitable but I do not look forward to it'!

Guru Rakha