Is Sikhi A Missionary Religion

[harryss]

im saying if we should convert them back to the true religion sikhi then why shouldn't we let other religions know about sikhi. If Sikhi is the Truth shouldn't we spread it to everyone.  If other religions are true then why do we have a problem when a sikh converts to islam or christiannity. 

[GPS]

im saying if we should convert them back to the true religion sikhi then why shouldn't we let other religions know about sikhi. If Sikhi is the Truth shouldn't we spread it to everyone. If other religions are true then why do we have a problem when a sikh converts to islam or christiannity.

Namdharis and randhasoamis know about sikhism very well. They have opened their own shops and their followers are more from Hindus than sikhs.

You can try to convert them back. Try it.

Every religion has good and bad people. Do not classify all Muslims or Christians as bad and do not call all sikhs as saints.

It depends upon an individual's lifestyle whether he follows his religion properly. We should introspect ourselves first where we

stand.

[Only five]

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal!

Dear all and Only five Jee!

You wrote "Those that say following the Koran or Vedas, which a Muslim and Hindu must do, is not a wrong act are saying the Koran and Vedas are the Shabad Guru. No where in Gurbani does it say to follow the Koran or the Vedas or Bible. It say to follow the Shabad Guru ONLY."

Is it possible that Scriptures and printed Granths of other religions are not their Sabad Guru but the printed Granth of Sikhs is their Sabad Guru?

Then that means the Koran is not equally to Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji and which translates into Koran not being the Shabad Guru, and if your a Sikh then you would be going against Gurbani to say a Muslim must follow the Koran. Because Gurbani tells us strictly to follow Shabad Guru and is speaking to everyone, whether that be to a Muslim, or Hindu or Christain or Sikhs. Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji is not just for Sikhs, its for everyone

The wisdom of the Sabad Guru is not received by possessing the bundle of printed paper and reading it. The secret of this wisdom lies in receiving it.

ਪੜਿਐ ਨਾਹੀ ਭੇਦੁ ਬੁਝਿਐ ਪਾਵਣਾ ॥

पड़िऐ नाही भेदु बुझिऐ पावणा ॥paRiai naahee bhedu bujhiai paavaNaa || SGGS Ang 148

Read not the secret resolved is receiving it.

Gurbani is the Guru, meaning it is the Shabad Guru. Anyone that reads Gurbani with devotion and love will recieve the Shabad Guru because Gurbani is the Shabad Guru. But the same cannot be said about the Koran because you can read it as much as you want, but you will not attain the Shabad Guru because it is not the Shabad Guru. Stop mixing and matching goodiness with Truth(Naam). Gurbani tells us over and over without the True Guru you can not be with Sri Waheguru ji. All you have to do is look at Sri Mool Mantar and the answer is right there.

By Guru's Grace.

Quote "If the Koran and rest of the religious text teach the Shabad Guru as some people are implying here, but don't want to come out and say it, then what was the need to write down the Shabad Guru and then place it on a Palki and bow down to it(Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji Maharaj)?"

No text of scriptures is able to transfer this wisdom. The scriptures of all religions suggest only where and how to get it.

Mod's this really offensive to Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji Maharaj because Balbir Singh ji is saying Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji is not the True Guru. Like i said before in Gurbani it says, Gurbani is the True Guru, the Shabad Guru and no need to search for the Shabad Guru. I don't even know how a person who calls himself a Sikh could slander their own Guru.

Quote "We already had the Shabad Guru according to some here, it is in the Koran. So why didn't Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji pick up the Koran and teach the true intrepretation of the Koran. Why didn't Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji pick up the Bible and teach the true intrepretation of it? He would have bowed at the Mosque and told them to get rid of the rituals. Shabad Guru is here in the written form(Koran, Biblie), so infact Gurbani becomes (forgive me for saying this) useless, as the Koran is a true path to Sri Waheguru ji, along with Vedas, Bible, etc, etc."

The preachers translate and misinterpret the scriptures.

The true Guru transfers the wisdom of the Sabad directly. Scriptures then become one's own experience. A translation is no more needed.

If the preachers translate misintrepreted the scriptures then Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji would have corrected them and wrote down the correct translation and there would be no need for Shabad Guru, Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji Maharaj. Sorry pal, only you believe Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji, is just a scripture. Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji gave the Shabad Guru, Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji Maharaj the Guruship.

Quote "Creating a different religions that is doing the same as Islam or Hinduism is only creating more divisions among people that all come from the same, Sri Waheguru ji."

The reverend Gurus brought human beings back to their origin, God. They did not start a different religion. These are your preachers who are trying to encash it this way.

Sri Guru Arjan Dev ji in Gurbani says i am not a Muslim. Which means i do not follow the Koran. But then again Sri Guru Arjan Dev ji is a Muslim in the true form as Gurbani defines it. A person that truly submits to the Shabad Guru, Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji Maharaj. I follow the Shabad Guru. You or anyone else are not willing to tell us what is the true Islam or true Hindu so tells us what is the true part of these, so then i can further answer your remark. Don't hide behind, not providing clear post because it fits your agenda here. Why do they need to bring them back to origin God? You call Koran true, so infact, you just contradicted yourself. If Koran is true then there is no need to bring back as the Koran would bring them(the Muslims and Hindus and Christains) back. Replace Koran in that sentence with another religious text and it works the same way, EXCEPT SRI GURU GRANTH SAHIB JI MAHARAJ.

Quote "Lastly it would not be wrong if one day in the Gurdwara the Granthi replaced Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji with the Koran and the whole sangat bowed down to the Koran."

Do not worry about it. Sikh Mullahs and Sikh Brahmins are living on it. They will die not to let it happen.

That's funny you would say something like, because again you just contradicted yourself. If Mullahs are not willing to replace Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji with the Koran, then what makes you think it's the true path or one of the true path to God. Or are you going to say now they don't understand the Koran. Your like a fish out of water, looking for anything to prove your side.

*****

All can reach Truth through the Sabad Guru. Many get lost in printed matter. A rare few ones survive and revive the wisdom of Sabad Guru, with God's Grace.

Balbir Singh

True all can reach the Shabad Guru, but only those reach Shabad Guru, who has followed Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji Maharaj. Gurbani is the Guru of all, whether people want to accept it or not. They can follow the Koran, they can follow the Vedas, but that is only there attachment to there culture and heritage.

[Only five]

Only five ji

Read my post in proper context as it does not convey what you are trying to say here.

It says that for us SGGS is supreme and we are to follow that.

Muslims and Hindus have their own scriptures.

In one of the post to Bilja Singh ji you said the following:

Gurbani is for sikhs to follow. It is true path for sikhs

This clearly say that you believe that, the Vedas are the True Path for Hindus and Koran is the True path for Muslims. Meaning Gurbani does not apply to them and this makes three different kinds of Truth, but Gurbani says there is only one Truth, which is Gurbani and it never changes. Gurbani speaks to everyone, that means Christains, Muslims, Hindus and every other religion, culture, nationality, whatever there is. Can you say Koran and Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji teach a person the same thing? No. Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji had no Sikhs when he came here, so why did he break Hindus from the Vedas? In your terms he, Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji just committed a crime of breaking Hindus and Muslims that later became Sikhs, from the Vedas and Koran. Again this goes back to why didn't Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji just pick up the Koran and teach the Muslims the true meaning of the Koran? There was no need to write down Gurbani, if Koran is Sachi Bani. Why the need to open Gurdwaras and place Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji on the palki and why did Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji sit on the seat of the True Guru when the Koran(Shabad Guru) is already here. If infact now we have to call Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji egotistical and a slander of the True path of the Vedas and Koran. If the Koran was the true path then Sri Guru Arjan Dev ji would have bowed down to it like he did to Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji Maharaj and then later Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji Maharaj.

We should not claim that Other religions are useless.

This conclusion is completely anti Gurmat.We are no ones to supervise over religious beliefs of others. We have many faults

in our own lives and Guru sahib tells us to correct those first.

I never said they are useless, I say there is good things in them, but they are not the Shabad Guru and the True path, to Sri Waheguru ji. My faults do not reflect on Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji Maharaj, just like a Muslims faults do not reflect on the the Koran, but the Koran is the source of a Muslim and that is what is being called not the true path. Again has good things in there, no doubt, but not the true path.

[Only five]

Here are couple of verses from the Koran: What is important will be provided separately, but the whole verse will be provided as well. These verse are in order as they appear in the Koran. The link will be provided as well so i don't get accused for presenting a biased and out of context verses.

http://www.jannah.or...ns/quran48.html

048.025 They are the ones who denied revelation and hindered you from the Sacred Mosque and the sacrificial animals, detained from reaching their place of sacrifice.

048.025 They are the ones who denied revelation and hindered you from the Sacred Mosque and the sacrificial animals, detained from reaching their place of sacrifice. Had there not been believing men and believing women whom ye did not know that ye were trampling down and on whose account a crime would have accrued to you without (your) knowledge, (God would have allowed you to force your way, but He held back your hands) that He may admit to His Mercy whom He will. If they had been apart, We should certainly have punished the Unbelievers among them with a grievous Punishment.

048.026 While the Unbelievers got up in their hearts heat and cant - the heat and cant of Ignorance,- God sent down His Tranquillity to his Messenger and to the Believers, and made them stick close to the command of self-restraint; and well were they entitled to it and worthy of it. And God has full knowledge of all things.

048.027 Truly did God fulfil the vision for His Messenger: ye shall enter the Sacred Mosque, if God wills, with minds secure, heads shaved, hair cut short, and without fear.

048.027 Truly did God fulfil the vision for His Messenger: ye shall enter the Sacred Mosque, if God wills, with minds secure, heads shaved, hair cut short, and without fear. For He knew what ye knew not, and He granted, besides this, a speedy victory.

048.028 It is He Who has sent His messenger with Guidance and the Religion of Truth, to proclaim it over all religion: and enough is God for a Witness.

To proclaim it over all religions and is the religion of Truth. Really, lets test that out. In the first verse it speaks about animal sacrifice and it shoudl be done. Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji strictly prohibited that for Sikhs. Then you have enter the Sacred Mosque with heads shaved and hair cut shor. Again Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji smack this practice on the head and said keep uncut hair.

[Balbir Singh]

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal!

Dear all and Only five Jee!

Is Sabad Guru a complete Granth? If yes, who convinced you with this?

I could not find one instance where any of the reverend Gurus said so.

Perhaps you can provide a reference from the Gurus and oblige. I will be grateful.

Balbir Singh

[Only five]

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal!

Dear all and Only five Jee!

Is Sabad Guru a complete Granth? If yes, who convinced you with this?

I could not find one instance where any of the reverend Gurus said so.

Perhaps you can provide a reference from the Gurus and oblige. I will be grateful.

Balbir Singh

Shabad Guru is Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji Maharaj. I have already answered this for you. Read Gurbani and you'll find out that Gurbani is the Shabad Guru. I have already provided you with verses from the Koran that go against the Shabad Guru(whether that be in Sri Dasam Granth Sahib ji Maharaj or Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji Maharaj, so go figure and find some other strategy that will help your ways.

Again you are mix and matching for your distorted view of goodiness, and The Whole Truth. These are two different things and need to be kept separate.

You can find all the verse in the Koran that speak of Good, that does not make it, the Shabad Guru. Shabad Guru is not good, but beyond good and is the Whole Truth, without any mistake or error.

Bulx AMdir sBu ko ABulu gurU krqwru ]

bhulan a(n)dhar sabh ko abhul guroo karathaar ||

Everyone makes mistakes; only the Guru and the Creator are infallible.

If you want me to present more mistakes (going against Shabad Guru) written in the Koran then just ask.

[GPS]

Shabad is God.It was always there even when this universe was not in existence.

It is there and will always be there.

Shabad when presented in written form is Gurbani.

ਸਬਦੇ ਉਪਜੈ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਬਾਣੀ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਆਖਿ ਸੁਣਾਵਣਿਆ ॥

Guru’s Bani emanates from the Shabad. The Spiritual Being narrates it and preaches to the world

SGGS sahib

[premier]

Many people say that Sikhi is not a missionary religion and that we shouldn't convert anyone to our faith.

but sikh history is against this in that Guru Nanak went to different areas to preach the Truth.

And Guru Amar Das Ji set up 22 Manjis to preach Sikhi and the Piri system which sent 146 devoted Sikhs to preach Sikhi in many parts of the country.

Is sikhism a missionary faith? Opinions will differ, but the central point of all faith groupings is "bums on seats". If we accept that numbers do contribute to the survival of a faith group then by definition all faiths are "missionary" and the only questtion that remains is what methods the individual group adopts. It is true to say that it was not until 1598 that the Jesuits sent out members to positively "coaerse" native peoples to their perception of redemption and thus faith went hand-in-hand with vested State muscle. The word "missionary" has Greek origins and therefore closely linked to Christian growth throughout the world. The Buddist movement was very missionary prone. Islam too followed the "raid, capture, and convert" path. Once faith linked hands with capital powers then missionary zest assumed a new hue. Sikhism was never linked with capital growth and therefore cannot be missionary in the worldly sense but it certainly is missionary in the spirtual sense. If we accept that improving the moral instinct of humans is missionary then there is no arguement but since Sikhism only seeks to raise the bar of decent and equitable code of conduct then it certainly is not a missionary faith. The Whole message of Sikhism is not to "snatch" beings away from their existant faith but to encourage humanity re-examine our daily lives and focus on higher value thoughts. Since all faith groups accept that "man cannot live by bread alone" it is imperative that a gelling of mankind takes place by some method. Thanks.

[GPS]

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