Meanings Of Siharis

[Bijla Singh]

I do not have a working scanner so I cannot scan the pages but I can try to translate one rule at a time which it will take a while.

ਫਿਰਿ ਫਿਰਿ - ਫਿਰ ਫਿਰ ਕੇ ਜਾਂ ਘੁੰਮ ਘੁੰਮ ਕੇ

ਫੇਰਿ – ਦੁਬਾਰਾ

In brief, Bhai Sahib is saying that the soul transmigrates again and again and again. Such repetitions are common in Punjabi and Gurbani. ਫੇਰ refers to one repetition but ਫਿਰਿ ਫਿਰਿ refers to multiple. ਫੇਰਿ has sihari because it is a ਸੰਬੰਧਕੀ ਪਦ.

These are not past or future actions because word ਫਿਰ is not a verb (here is where knowing Punjabi is helpful). In my earlier post the word was ਦੇਇ which is a verb in past tense. Its present tense is ਦੇ. Also, look at last word of each line in the pauri. They are all singular. In case of plural they would be ਆਵਹਿ, ਜਾਵਹਿ, ਪਾਵਹਿ all with siharis. Here are different forms of ਆਵੈ. All are in present tense.

ਆਵੈ – ਉਹ ਆਉਂਦਾ ਹੈ - singular used with he/she

ਆਵਹਿ – ਉਹ ਆਉਂਦੇ ਹਨ - plural used with they. This is pronounced with nasal sound at the end.

ਆਵਹੁ – ਤੁਸੀਂ ਸਾਰੇ ਆਓ - plural used with you

ਆਵਹ – ਅਸੀਂ ਆਉਂਦੇ ਹਾਂ - plural used with we

ਆਵਉ – ਮੈਂ ਆਉਂਦਾ ਹਾਂ - singular used with I. This is pronounced with nasal sound at the end.

For the word ਐ please post Gurbani panktis. Keep in mind, one word can have multiple meanings especially in Gurbani.

Most Sikhs and even kathavachaks, babas, sants etc do not know viyakaran and to justify their shortcomings ridicule grammar using foolish arguments. Gurbani viayakaran prevents misinterpretations of any kind. If one learns viayakaran they will understand that all the panktis which are used to support Vedas, Puranas etc are in fact rejecting these books.

Many books have been written to teach viayakaran but Sikhs do not want to put effort to study it. One needs to have sangat to do Gurbani veechar to learn it. Studying Gurbani is like learning a new language and just because one knows Punjabi very well doesn’t mean they will understand Gurbani viyakaran. Guru Rakha

[Into the Light]

If one learns viayakaran they will understand that all the panktis which are used to support Vedas, Puranas etc are in fact rejecting these books.

Bijla Singh can you please use viakaran to translate the pangti below and show that the pangti actually is saying that Vedas, Quran etc are all false?

Thanks in advance

byd kqyb khhu mq JUTy JUTw jo n ibcwrY ]

baedh kathaeb kehahu math jhoothae jhoothaa jo n bichaarai |

Do not say that the Vedas, the Bible and the Koran are false. Those who do not contemplate them are false.

**appologies but i can't seem to get the pangti to show correctly without the spaces

[Bijla Singh]

This has been discussed before many times. I will not debate on it again and again. You are free to believe whatever you want.

ਬੇਦ ਕਤੇਬ ਕਹਹੁ ਮਤ ਝੂਠੇ ਝੂਠਾ ਜੋ ਨ ਬਿਚਾਰੈ ॥

baedh kathaeb kehahu math jhoot(h)ae jhoot(h)aa jo n bichaarai ||

Do not say that the Vedas, the Bible and the Koran are false. Those who do not contemplate them are false. (Ang 1350)

It is only due to lack of true knowledge about Gurbani that many fail to understand the true meaning behind this line. It is believed by some that the Shabad explains the event that happened in Kanshi where Kabir Ji lived. Hindus and Muslims were debating on religion, talking ill of each other and condemning the religious books of each other. They came to Kabir Ji. To calm them Kabir Ji gave this sublime counsel "Thinking under the influence of anger, do not call Vedas and Quran false. Try to understand the reality in a peaceful way and then say what you want to."

First of all, the debate may have taken place and Hindus and Muslims may have been calling each other false in anger or blindly but coming to Bhagat Ji for a decision does not seem likely because he was a low caste and it is illogical to believe Brahmins coming to him for a decision since he did not even have the right to read, listen and touch the Vedas. He had also rejected Quran, hajj, five prayers, fasting and many of the Islamic practices in his own lifetime, which will be highlighted later, so Muslims expecting a decision in favor of Islam from Kabir Ji is foolish on their part. Let’s break the pankti (line) in two parts and discuss each half separately so the readers can understand the meanings better.

ਬੇਦ ਕਤੇਬ ਕਹਹੁ ਮਤ ਝੂਠੇ

baedh kathaeb kehahu math jhoot(h)ae

In interpreting the above pankti (line) words ਕਹਹੁ ਮਤ are mistranslated as “do not say” which is false. Gurbani is written according to a set of grammar rules. Word ਕਹਹੁ is plural and a verb in third person which gives instruction to do something. It is similar to words ਜਪਹੁ (meditate) and ਸੁਣਹੁ (listen). In this case, the word ਕਹਹੁ means to call or declare. Word ਮਤ has multiple meanings but in this context it means religions for two reasons. First, if it meant “do not” then the order of words would’ve been reversed and would’ve appeared as ਮਤ ਕਹਹੁ because wherever word ਮਤ means “do not” it appears before the verb. Second, it would go against the principles of Gurmat and contradict not only Gurbani but Bhagat Kabir Ji’s own beliefs. Therefore, the correct meanings are:

ਕਹਹੁ – call

ਮਤ ਝੂਠੇ – religions false

Guru Gobind Singh Ji has used the same word to convey the same message.

ਰਾਮ ਰਹੀਮ ਪੁਰਾਨ ਕੁਰਾਨ ਅਨੇਕ ਕਹੈਂ ਮਤ ਏਕ ਨ ਮਾਨਯੋ ॥

Rama, Mohammad, eighteen Puranas (Books of the Hindu faith), and Quran say a lot about their own religions but I do not follow any one of them.

Also notice that the word ਮਤ appears at the end. If it meant “do not” it would’ve appeared before the word ਕਹੈਂ and the meanings would’ve been “do not say”.

Correct interpretation word by word thus becomes:

ਬੇਦ ਕਤੇਬ – Vedas and Semitic scriptures

ਕਹਹੁ – call or declare them

ਮਤ – religions

ਝੂਠੇ – false

ਬੇਦਾਂ ਕਤੇਬਾਂ ਦੇ ਮੰਨੇ ਹੋਏ ਰਸਤਿਆਂ ਨੂੰ ਕਹੋ ਕਿ ਇਹ ਝੂਠੇ ਹਨ

Call the religions preached by Vedas and Semitic scriptures false

Last half pankti (line) is also misinterpreted because it cannot mean “Those who do not contemplate them are false” since it is in singular form. Here is word to word translation:

ਝੂਠਾ - false is he

ਜੋ ਨ - who doesn't

ਬਿਚਾਰੈ - contemplate the truth

Meaning – ਅਤੇ ਝੂਠਾ ਹੀ ਉਹ ਹੈ ਜੋ ਸੱਚ ਦੀ ਵਿਚਾਰ ਨਹੀਂ ਕਰਦਾ ।

And false is the person who follows any of these religions and does not contemplate the truth.

Bhai Randhir Singh Ji in his book “Gurmat Gauravta” gives the following interpretation of this line:

ਵੇਦ ਕਤੇਬੀ ਮੱਤ ਹਿੰਦੁਆਂ ਤੇ ਤੁਰਕਾਂ ਦੇ ਮੰਨੇ ਹੋਏ ਇਹ ਸਭ ਝੂਠੇ ਹਨ ਅਤੇ ਇਨ੍ਹਾਂ ਮੱਤਾਂ ਦੇ ਵਿਚਾਰਨਹਾਰੇ ਭੀ ਝੂਠੇ ਹਨ, ਕਿਉਂਕਿ ਉਹ ਸੱਚੀ ਵਿਚਾਰ ਨਹੀਂ ਵਿਚਾਰਦੇ.....

Religions of Vedas and Semitic scriptures are false and their followers are false as well because they do not contemplate the truth. As long as a person does not realize the truth of Gurmat he is false.

Now the question arises: what is the truth? Truth that one should contemplate on is given in the following lines. Discussing the entire Shabad line by line would make things much clearer and leave no doubt that the Shabad rejects both religions, Hinduism and Islam.

ਜਉ ਸਭ ਮਹਿ ਏਕੁ ਖੁਦਾਇ ਕਹਤ ਹਉ ਤਉ ਕਿਉ ਮੁਰਗੀ ਮਾਰੈ ॥੧॥

Addressing the Muslims, Bhagat Ji says: You say that the One Lord is in all and His light shines within everyone then why do you kill a chicken (animal)?

ਮੁਲਾਂ ਕਹਹੁ ਨਿਆਉ ਖੁਦਾਈ ॥

O Mullah – tell me if this is justice? You tell others how just Khudah (God) is:

ਤੇਰੇ ਮਨ ਕਾ ਭਰਮੁ ਨ ਜਾਈ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

But the doubts of your mind have not been dispelled and you still wander in darkness of ignorance.

Bhagat Ji is questioning Muslims that if they believe in all pervading God then why do they kill His creation (animals) mercilessly since God’s light is also within animals. How is this just to kill God’s creation in His name? Why would God want a human to kill His creation in His name?

ਪਕਰਿ ਜੀਉ ਆਨਿਆ ਦੇਹ ਬਿਨਾਸੀ ਮਾਟੀ ਕਉ ਬਿਸਮਿਲਿ ਕੀਆ ॥

You seize a living creature, bring it home and kill its body. You read “Bismillah” and kill the animal in Allah’s name.

ਜੋਤਿ ਸਰੂਪ ਅਨਾਹਤ ਲਾਗੀ ਕਹੁ ਹਲਾਲੁ ਕਿਆ ਕੀਆ ॥੨॥

The light of God that never dies and is pure is everywhere and in the killed animal also. So tell me, what becomes halal by killing it?

ਕਿਆ ਉਜੂ ਪਾਕੁ ਕੀਆ ਮੁਹੁ ਧੋਇਆ ਕਿਆ ਮਸੀਤਿ ਸਿਰੁ ਲਾਇਆ ॥

What good is to wash your face and bow your head in the mosque and what good are your purifications?

ਜਉ ਦਿਲ ਮਹਿ ਕਪਟੁ ਨਿਵਾਜ ਗੁਜਾਰਹੁ ਕਿਆ ਹਜ ਕਾਬੈ ਜਾਇਆ ॥੩॥

What good are your prayers or your pilgrimage to Mecca? Your heart is full of hypocrisy.

Bhagat Ji calls Muslims hypocrites because on one hand they call themselves religious by washing their faces, going to mosque and hajj and on the other hand they kill animals, which is an act of a butcher. In other words, a merciless person cannot be a true religious person.

ਤੂੰ ਨਾਪਾਕੁ ਪਾਕੁ ਨਹੀ ਸੂਝਿਆ ਤਿਸ ਕਾ ਮਰਮੁ ਨ ਜਾਨਿਆ ॥

You are impure; you do not understand the Pure Lord. You do not know realize the truth.

ਕਹਿ ਕਬੀਰ ਭਿਸਤਿ ਤੇ ਚੂਕਾ ਦੋਜਕ ਸਿਉ ਮਨੁ ਮਾਨਿਆ ॥੪॥੪॥

Says Kabeer, you have missed out on paradise (merciful living); your mind is set on hell (satanic acts such as killing).

In brief, Bhagat Ji says that God is not pleased by physical purifications, going to mosque and hajj and killing animals. It is clear that Bhagat Ji rejects Islam and its hypocritical practices. To further prove that Bhagat Ji rejected Islam we give some quotes specifically from his own Bani and few from rest of Gurbani.

ਵਰਤ ਨ ਰਹਉ ਨ ਮਹ ਰਮਦਾਨਾ ॥…ਹਜ ਕਾਬੈ ਜਾਉ ਨ ਤੀਰਥ ਪੂਜਾ ॥…ਪੂਜਾ ਕਰਉ ਨ ਨਿਵਾਜ ਗੁਜਾਰਉ ॥… ਨ ਹਮ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਨ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ ॥ ਅਲਹ ਰਾਮ ਕੇ ਪਿੰਡੁ ਪਰਾਨ ॥੪॥

I do not keep fasts, nor do I observe the month of Ramadaan…I do not make pilgrimages to Mecca, nor do I worship at Hindu sacred shrines….I do not perform Hindu worship services, nor do I offer the Muslim prayers….I am not a Hindu, nor am I a Muslim. My body and breath of life belong to Allah - to Raam - the God of both. (Ang 1136)

ਸਕਤਿ ਸਨੇਹੁ ਕਰਿ ਸੁੰਨਤਿ ਕਰੀਐ ਮੈ ਨ ਬਦਉਗਾ ਭਾਈ ॥ ਜਉ ਰੇ ਖੁਦਾਇ ਮੋਹਿ ਤੁਰਕੁ ਕਰੈਗਾ ਆਪਨ ਹੀ ਕਟਿ ਜਾਈ ॥੨॥ ਸੁੰਨਤਿ ਕੀਏ ਤੁਰਕੁ ਜੇ ਹੋਇਗਾ ਅਉਰਤ ਕਾ ਕਿਆ ਕਰੀਐ ॥ ਅਰਧ ਸਰੀਰੀ ਨਾਰਿ ਨ ਛੋਡੈ ਤਾ ਤੇ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਹੀ ਰਹੀਐ ॥੩॥ ਛਾਡਿ ਕਤੇਬ ਰਾਮੁ ਭਜੁ ਬਉਰੇ ਜੁਲਮ ਕਰਤ ਹੈ ਭਾਰੀ ॥ ਕਬੀਰੈ ਪਕਰੀ ਟੇਕ ਰਾਮ ਕੀ ਤੁਰਕ ਰਹੇ ਪਚਿਹਾਰੀ ॥੪॥੮॥

Because of the love of woman, circumcision is done; I don't believe in it, O Siblings of Destiny. If God wished me to be a Muslim, it would be cut off by itself. ||2|| If circumcision makes one a Muslim, then what about a woman? She is the other half of a man's body, and she does not leave him, so he remains a Hindu. ||3|| Give up your holy books (Quran and Hadiths), and remember the Lord, you fool, and stop oppressing others so badly. Kabeer has grasped hold of the Lord's Support, and the Muslims have have been lost in hypocrisy. ||4||8|| (Ang 477)

ਬੇਦ ਕਤੇਬ ਇਫਤਰਾ ਭਾਈ ਦਿਲ ਕਾ ਫਿਕਰੁ ਨ ਜਾਇ ॥

The Vedas and the Scriptures are only make-believe, O Siblings of Destiny; they do not relieve the anxiety of the heart. (Ang 727)

ਹਮਰਾ ਝਗਰਾ ਰਹਾ ਨ ਕੋਊ ॥ ਪੰਡਿਤ ਮੁਲਾਂ ਛਾਡੇ ਦੋਊ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

I have no quarrel with anyone. I have abandoned both the Pandits, the Hindu religious scholars, and the Mullahs, the Muslim priests. ||1||Pause|| (Ang 1158)

ਪੰਡਿਤ ਮੁਲਾਂ ਜੋ ਲਿਖਿ ਦੀਆ ॥ ਛਾਡਿ ਚਲੇ ਹਮ ਕਛੂ ਨ ਲੀਆ ॥੩॥

Whatever the Pandits and Mullahs have written, I reject; I do not accept any of it. ||3|| (Ang 1159)

ਅਲਹੁ ਏਕੁ ਮਸੀਤਿ ਬਸਤੁ ਹੈ ਅਵਰੁ ਮੁਲਖੁ ਕਿਸੁ ਕੇਰਾ ॥ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਮੂਰਤਿ ਨਾਮ ਨਿਵਾਸੀ ਦੁਹ ਮਹਿ ਤਤੁ ਨ ਹੇਰਾ ॥੧॥

If the Lord Allah lives only in the mosque, then to whom does the rest of the world belong? According to the Hindus, the Lord's Name abides in the idol, but there is no truth in either of these claims. ||1|| (Ang 1349)

ਬ੍ਰਹਮਨ ਗਿਆਸ ਕਰਹਿ ਚਉਬੀਸਾ ਕਾਜੀ ਮਹ ਰਮਜਾਨਾ ॥ ਗਿਆਰਹ ਮਾਸ ਪਾਸ ਕੈ ਰਾਖੇ ਏਕੈ ਮਾਹਿ ਨਿਧਾਨਾ ॥੩॥ ਕਹਾ ਉਡੀਸੇ ਮਜਨੁ ਕੀਆ ਕਿਆ ਮਸੀਤਿ ਸਿਰੁ ਨਾਂਏਂ ॥ ਦਿਲ ਮਹਿ ਕਪਟੁ ਨਿਵਾਜ ਗੁਜਾਰੈ ਕਿਆ ਹਜ ਕਾਬੈ ਜਾਂਏਂ ॥੪॥

The Brahmins observe twenty-four fasts during the year, and the Muslims fast during the month of Ramadaan. The Muslims set aside eleven months, and claim that the treasure is only in the one month. ||3|| What is the use of bathing at Orissa? Why do the Muslims bow their heads in the mosque? If someone has deception in his heart, what good is it for him to utter prayers? And what good is it for him to go on pilgrimage to Mecca? ||4|| (Ang 1349)

ਕਬੀਰ ਹਜ ਕਾਬੇ ਹਉ ਜਾਇ ਥਾ ਆਗੈ ਮਿਲਿਆ ਖੁਦਾਇ ॥ ਸਾਂਈ ਮੁਝ ਸਿਉ ਲਰਿ ਪਰਿਆ ਤੁਝੈ ਕਿਨਿ੍ ਫੁਰਮਾਈ ਗਾਇ ॥੧੯੭॥

Kabeer, I was going on a pilgrimage to Mecca, and God met me on the way. He scolded me and asked, ""Who told you that I am only there?""||197|| (Ang 1375)

From the above quotes it is clear that Bhagat Kabir Ji never supported Hinduism or Islam. He rejected both outright.

[GPS]

Brahmagianis and true sants have lived sikhi and experienced it.There is no comparison between a Brahmgiani/ sant who has elevated his spirituality by

bhagti and a fake scholar who boasts of his wordly education.

The purpose of religion is God realization. I have yet not come across in SGGS ji any shabad that says that only those with formal education have the ability to realize

Akal purakh.

Guru sahib writes it is one's actions that are to be judged

ਪੜਿਆ ਹੋਵੈ ਗੁਨਹਗਾਰੁ ਤਾ ਓਮੀ ਸਾਧੁ ਨ ਮਾਰੀਐ ॥

पड़िआ होवै गुनहगारु ता ओमी साधु न मारीऐ ॥

Paṛi▫ā hovai gunahgār ṯā omī sāḏẖ na mārī▫ai.

If an educated person is a sinner, then the illiterate holy man is not to be punished.

ਜੇਹਾ ਘਾਲੇ ਘਾਲਣਾ ਤੇਵੇਹੋ ਨਾਉ ਪਚਾਰੀਐ ॥

जेहा घाले घालणा तेवेहो नाउ पचारीऐ ॥

Jehā gẖāle gẖālṇā ṯeveho nā▫o pacẖārī▫ai.

As are the deeds done, so is the reputation one acquires.

ਐਸੀ ਕਲਾ ਨ ਖੇਡੀਐ ਜਿਤੁ ਦਰਗਹ ਗਇਆ ਹਾਰੀਐ ॥

ऐसी कला न खेडीऐ जितु दरगह गइआ हारीऐ ॥

Aisī kalā na kẖedī▫ai jiṯ ḏargėh ga▫i▫ā hārī▫ai.

So do not play such a game, which will bring you to ruin at the Court of the Lord.

ਪੜਿਆ ਅਤੈ ਓਮੀਆ ਵੀਚਾਰੁ ਅਗੈ ਵੀਚਾਰੀਐ ॥

पड़िआ अतै ओमीआ वीचारु अगै वीचारीऐ ॥

Paṛi▫ā aṯai omī▫ā vīcẖār agai vīcẖārī▫ai.

The accounts of the educated and the illiterate shall be judged in the world hereafter.

<a class="dict" href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%BF">ਮੁਹਿ ਚਲੈ ਸੁ ਅਗੈ ਮਾਰੀਐ ॥੧੨॥

मुहि चलै सु अगै मारीऐ ॥१२॥

Muhi cẖalai so agai mārī▫ai. ||12||

One who stubbornly follows his own mind shall suffer in the world hereafter. ||12||

ang 469

God realization is by shabad kamai

ਸਾਹਿਬੁ ਮੇਰਾ ਸਦਾ ਹੈ ਦਿਸੈ ਸਬਦੁ ਕਮਾਇ ॥

साहिबु मेरा सदा है दिसै सबदु कमाइ ॥

Sāhib merā saḏā hai ḏisai sabaḏ kamā▫e.

ਓਹੁ ਅਉਹਾਣੀ ਕਦੇ ਨਾਹਿ ਨਾ ਆਵੈ ਨਾ ਜਾਇ ॥

ओहु अउहाणी कदे नाहि ना आवै ना जाइ ॥

Oh a▫uhāṇī kaḏe nāhi nā āvai nā jā▫e.

ang 509

[Balbir Singh]

ਬੇਦ ਕਤੇਬ ਕਹਹੁ ਮਤ ਝੂਠੇ

baedh kathaeb kehahu math jhoot(h)ae

In interpreting the above pankti (line) words ਕਹਹੁ ਮਤ are mistranslated as “do not say” which is false. Gurbani is written according to a set of grammar rules. Word ਕਹਹੁ is plural and a verb in third person which gives instruction to do something. It is similar to words ਜਪਹੁ (meditate) and ਸੁਣਹੁ (listen). In this case, the word ਕਹਹੁ means to call or declare. Word ਮਤ has multiple meanings but in this context it means religions for two reasons. First, if it meant “do not” then the order of words would’ve been reversed and would’ve appeared as ਮਤ ਕਹਹੁ because wherever word ਮਤ means “do not” it appears before the verb. Second, it would go against the principles of Gurmat and contradict not only Gurbani but Bhagat Kabir Ji’s own beliefs. Therefore, the correct meanings are:

ਕਹਹੁ – call

ਮਤ ਝੂਠੇ – religions false

....

Correct interpretation word by word thus becomes:

ਬੇਦ ਕਤੇਬ – Vedas and Semitic scriptures

ਕਹਹੁ – call or declare them

ਮਤ – religions

ਝੂਠੇ – false

ਬੇਦਾਂ ਕਤੇਬਾਂ ਦੇ ਮੰਨੇ ਹੋਏ ਰਸਤਿਆਂ ਨੂੰ ਕਹੋ ਕਿ ਇਹ ਝੂਠੇ ਹਨ

Call the religions preached by Vedas and Semitic scriptures false

Last half pankti (line) is also misinterpreted because it cannot mean “Those who do not contemplate them are false” since it is in singular form. Here is word to word translation:

ਝੂਠਾ - false is he

ਜੋ ਨ - who doesn't

ਬਿਚਾਰੈ - contemplate the truth

Meaning – ਅਤੇ ਝੂਠਾ ਹੀ ਉਹ ਹੈ ਜੋ ਸੱਚ ਦੀ ਵਿਚਾਰ ਨਹੀਂ ਕਰਦਾ ।

And false is the person who follows any of these religions and does not contemplate the truth.

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal!

Dear all!

Bijla Jee interpreted the Guru's Vaak.

I cannot imagine that the reverend Gurus ever give conflicting statements. Truth is not contradictory.

Guru Naanak Dev Jee is singing. Please listen.

ਚਾਰੇ ਵੇਦ ਹੋਏ ਸਚਿਆਰ ॥

चारे वेद होए सचिआर ॥

chaare ved hoe sachiaar. SGGS Ang 470-8

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Should your followers call God false after reading your preaching?

According to Gurdev, God Himself is Veda, Puraan and all Scriptures?

ਆਪੇ ਵੇਦ ਪੁਰਾਣ ਸਭਿ ਸਾਸਤ ਆਪਿ ਕਥੈ ਆਪਿ ਭੀਜੈ ॥

आपे वेद पुराण सभि सासत आपि कथै आपि भीजै ॥

Aape ved puraaN sabhi saasat aapi kathai aapi bheejai. SGGS Ang 551

Balbir Singh

[GPS]

Prof. Sahib singh is considered to be one of experts in Gurbani Grammar. I thought it will be nice to learn how he

translated to mean the following line on ang 1350 of SGGS ji

ਬੇਦ ਕਤੇਬ ਕਹਹੁ ਮਤ ਝੂਠੇ ਝੂਠਾ ਜੋ ਨ ਬਿਚਾਰੈ ॥

बेद कतेब कहहु मत झूठे झूठा जो न बिचारै ॥

Beḏ kaṯeb kahhu maṯ jẖūṯẖe jẖūṯẖā jo na bicẖārai.

His translation is given below

( Oh Hindu and Muslim brothers) Do not call vedas and quran ( Holy books of each otehr) as false.That person is false

who does not contemplate upon these.

[dalsingh101]

Here is the Professor's interpretation:

(ਹੇ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਤੇ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ ਵੀਰੋ!) ਵੇਦਾਂ ਜਾਂ ਕੁਰਾਨ ਆਦਿਕ (ਇਕ ਦੂਜੇ ਦੀਆਂ) ਧਰਮ-ਪੁਸਤਕਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਝੂਠੀਆਂ ਨਾਹ ਆਖੋ। ਝੂਠਾ ਤਾਂ ਉਹ ਬੰਦਾ ਹੈ ਜੋ ਇਹਨਾਂ ਧਰਮ-ਪੁਸਤਕਾਂ ਦੀ ਵਿਚਾਰ ਨਹੀਂ ਕਰਦਾ। (ਭਲਾ, ਹੇ ਮੁੱਲਾਂ!) ਜੇ ਤੂੰ ਇਹ ਆਖਦਾ ਹੈਂ ਕਿ ਖ਼ੁਦਾ ਸਭ ਜੀਵਾਂ ਵਿਚ ਮੌਜੂਦ ਹੈ ਤਾਂ (ਉਸ ਖ਼ੁਦਾ ਅੱਗੇ ਕੁਰਬਾਨੀ ਦੇਣ ਲਈ) ਮੁਰਗ਼ੀ ਕਿਉਂ ਮਾਰਦਾ ਹੈਂ? (ਕੀ ਉਸ ਮੁਰਗ਼ੀ ਵਿਚ ਉਹ ਆਪ ਨਹੀਂ ਹੈ? ਮੁਰਗ਼ੀ ਵਿਚ ਬੈਠੇ ਖ਼ੁਦਾ ਦੀ ਅੰਸ਼ ਨੂੰ ਮਾਰ ਕੇ ਖ਼ੁਦਾ ਦੇ ਅੱਗੇ ਹੀ ਭੇਟਾ ਕਰਨ ਦਾ ਕੀਹ ਭਾਵ ਹੈ?।੧।

[Bijla Singh]

Prof. Sahib singh is considered to be one of experts in Gurbani Grammar. I thought it will be nice to learn how he

translated to mean the following line on ang 1350 of SGGS ji

Have you studied Gurbani viyakaran yourself? If yes then refute my arguments using viyakaran. What rules justify your thinking? Do you believe Gurbani is contradictory? Bhagat Kabir Ji wouldn't reject Vedas and katebs and tell others not to call them false. Guru sahib clearly says that such books do not give salvation so why wouldn't they be false? Prof. Sahib Singh's interpretation is incorrect because he himself ignored viyakaran and wrote sampardaic meanings. Also, his interpretation is contradicting other Shabads which I have posted. Bhai Randhir Singh and Pandit Kartar Singh Dakha intepreted it the correct way. They knew viyakaran better than Prof. Sahib Singh.*EDITED*

(ਹੇ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਤੇ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ ਵੀਰੋ!) ਵੇਦਾਂ ਜਾਂ ਕੁਰਾਨ ਆਦਿਕ (ਇਕ ਦੂਜੇ ਦੀਆਂ) ਧਰਮ-ਪੁਸਤਕਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਝੂਠੀਆਂ ਨਾਹ ਆਖੋ। ਝੂਠਾ ਤਾਂ ਉਹ ਬੰਦਾ ਹੈ ਜੋ ਇਹਨਾਂ ਧਰਮ-ਪੁਸਤਕਾਂ ਦੀ ਵਿਚਾਰ ਨਹੀਂ ਕਰਦਾ। (ਭਲਾ, ਹੇ ਮੁੱਲਾਂ!) ਜੇ ਤੂੰ ਇਹ ਆਖਦਾ ਹੈਂ ਕਿ ਖ਼ੁਦਾ ਸਭ ਜੀਵਾਂ ਵਿਚ ਮੌਜੂਦ ਹੈ ਤਾਂ (ਉਸ ਖ਼ੁਦਾ ਅੱਗੇ ਕੁਰਬਾਨੀ ਦੇਣ ਲਈ) ਮੁਰਗ਼ੀ ਕਿਉਂ ਮਾਰਦਾ ਹੈਂ? (ਕੀ ਉਸ ਮੁਰਗ਼ੀ ਵਿਚ ਉਹ ਆਪ ਨਹੀਂ ਹੈ? ਮੁਰਗ਼ੀ ਵਿਚ ਬੈਠੇ ਖ਼ੁਦਾ ਦੀ ਅੰਸ਼ ਨੂੰ ਮਾਰ ਕੇ ਖ਼ੁਦਾ ਦੇ ਅੱਗੇ ਹੀ ਭੇਟਾ ਕਰਨ ਦਾ ਕੀਹ ਭਾਵ ਹੈ?।੧।

According to Islam, God is not in the chicken. Heck, he is not even in the creation. God and creation are considered separate.

Balbir, do you have the proof that I have followers? Or you are just used to lying?

[GPS]

Guru sahib says that reading scriptures and not adapting teachings of these in one's life is not going to help anyone be he a Hindu, a Muslim or a sikh.

ਓਅੰਕਾਰਿ ਬੇਦ ਨਿਰਮਏ ॥

ओअंकारि बेद निरमए ॥

O▫ankār beḏ nirma▫e.

Ongkaar created the Vedas.

SGGS ji

ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਸਾਸਤ੍ਰ ਸਿਮ੍ਰਿਤਿ ਬੇਦ ॥

गुरमुखि सासत्र सिम्रिति बेद ॥

Gurmukẖ sāsṯar simriṯ beḏ.

The Gurmukh understands the Simritees, the Shaastras and the Vedas

ang 942

Guru sahib does not limit God realization only to those who can read scriptures.In that case unread are barred.

Guru sahib writes that it is contemplating upon shabad which is going to help the seeker.

[Balbir Singh]

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal!

Dear all!

Bijla Singh Jee wrote "Have you studied Gurbani viyakaran yourself? If yes then refute my arguments using

viyakaran."

Gurdev : ਬੇਦ ਕਤੇਬ ਕਹਹੁ ਮਤ ਝੂਠੇ

बेद कतेब कहहु मत झूठे झूठा

Beḏ kaṯeb kahhu maṯ jẖūṯẖe

Bijla Singh Jee interpreted: ਬੇਦਾਂ ਕਤੇਬਾਂ ਦੇ ਮੰਨੇ ਹੋਏ ਰਸਤਿਆਂ ਨੂੰ ਕਹੋ ਕਿ ਇਹ ਝੂਠੇ ਹਨ

Call the religions preached by Vedas and Semitic scriptures false

The above is the result of your grammar.

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Truth does not change by replacing the words.

Gurdev : ਝੂਠਾ ਜੋ ਨ ਬਿਚਾਰੈ ॥

झूठे झूठा जो न बिचारै ॥

jẖūṯẖā jo na bicẖārai.

Bijla Singh Jee interpreted: Meaning – ਅਤੇ ਝੂਠਾ ਹੀ ਉਹ ਹੈ ਜੋ ਸੱਚ ਦੀ ਵਿਚਾਰ ਨਹੀਂ ਕਰਦਾ ।

And false is the person who follows any of these religions and does not contemplate the truth.

Thanks for using the word Truth for Ved, Kateb.

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Grammar Pandits may receive the wisdom (Gur) of the Sabad. The Gur Sabad liberates them also from the entanglement with a language and its rules of grammar.

Please ponder. Guru Naanak Dev Jee is singing.

ਪੁਸਤਕ ਪਾਠ ਬਿਆਕਰਣ ਵਖਾਣੈ ਸੰਧਿਆ ਕਰਮ ਤਿਕਾਲ ਕਰੈ ॥

पुसतक पाठ बिआकरण वखाणै संधिआ करम तिकाल करै ॥

Pusṯak pāṯẖ bi▫ākaraṇ vakẖāṇai sanḏẖi▫ā karam ṯikāl karai.

ਬਿਨੁ ਗੁਰ ਸਬਦ ਮੁਕਤਿ ਕਹਾ ਪ੍ਰਾਣੀ ਰਾਮ ਨਾਮ ਬਿਨੁ ਉਰਝਿ ਮਰੈ ॥੨॥

बिनु गुर सबद मुकति कहा प्राणी राम नाम बिनु उरझि मरै ॥२॥

Bin gur sabaḏ mukaṯ kahā parāṇī rām nām bin urajẖ marai. ||2|| SGGS Ang 1127

Balbir Singh