Disrespect Of Guru Ji

[Guest bibi issues girl]

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh!

Sadh Sangat jio, what should I do if I think I made a mistake by accident? I have heard that girls are not suppose to do path di seva or any seva around Guru ji when its their time of the month but what if girls do? Today while I was the Gurudwara Sahib for the children's program I was put in a situation where I had to do Chaur di seva. The child doing the seva was required on the kirtan stage so he could do seva with his class and no one relieved him. I was not scheduled to do seva but being the senior member of class, the teacher made eye contact and signaled for me to go take over in serving Guru Ji. I was no where near my teacher that I could explain my predicament, so I bowed my head and went to Guru Ji. Personally I think it was the closest I have ever been to Guru Ji, I was moved to tears almost sitting there serving Guru ji.

But still if it is not proper, I made a grave mistake. How do I repent?

P.s. - I don't know if it matters but the seva I was to do for sangats benefit was done after Chaur sahib Ji da seva and guru ji blessed me to do the best job I have ever done. And then even after i was to done with that seva Waheguru Ji magically commanded me from where I was suppose to be sitting to walk across Darbar Hall to rejoin the girls side. the group I was sitting with all scattered away (that had never happened in the past, we always sit together behind the podium and wait for Guru Ji's hukam before we get up). Just minutes after I moved back an uncle and a veer ji came sat right next to me in the front and started trying to work the projector system. I have never done it before but they couldn't make it work, so I told them the mistake they were making and was asked to take over the seva.

If it is such a bad thing to go in Guru Ji's presence when its that time of the month, why did Guru ji bless me to feel so connected with him, to do well on my part of the seva of sangat and then move me back to help with the projector seva, though I had never done it before?

[Guest Guest]

Waheguru ji ka khalsa

Waheguru ji ki fateh

Bibi ji,

Don't feel bad what is done, IS DONE !

WAHEGURU ji ne seva leni si, leh layi.

It was Divine Will, nothing can be said and done in this regard.

Waheguru ji ka khalsa

Waheguru ji ki fateh

[VanHelsingh]

From your account of what happened, it doesn't seem you did anything deliberately. Circumstances pushed you towards situations which you found you couldn't escape from. I could be wrong, but you shouldn't beat yourself up over it. It wasn't planned by you - everything you did was with the best of intentions.

Aside from running away (and embarassing yourself and causing people to question you later on), you couldn't have done much more.

But for next time, when you're in a similar personal situation you could try not to be so conspicuous so that when something needs doing by somebody, you're not the first person they see. I'm sure there are other people present that could do the same job.

[Guest _gurudalaal-japeakal]

vjkk vjkph my personal simple answer,

you didn't do the seva...maharaj asked you to do it. Maharaj is antarjami, he knows everything and he knowingly called you up to do seva...Guru ji is Jagdhi Joth, he knows what's in your heart and mind and he creates circumstances for us to do seva.

So don't feel bad. ...just take anand from your experience and do ardas if you made any mistakes in the seva maharaj forgive you

People may disagree with me but thats my view.

[Guest gupt]

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh!

Sadh Sangat jio, what should I do if I think I made a mistake by accident? I have heard that girls are not suppose to do path di seva or any seva around Guru ji when its their time of the month but what if girls do? Today while I was the Gurudwara Sahib for the children's program I was put in a situation where I had to do Chaur di seva. The child doing the seva was required on the kirtan stage so he could do seva with his class and no one relieved him. I was not scheduled to do seva but being the senior member of class, the teacher made eye contact and signaled for me to go take over in serving Guru Ji. I was no where near my teacher that I could explain my predicament, so I bowed my head and went to Guru Ji. Personally I think it was the closest I have ever been to Guru Ji, I was moved to tears almost sitting there serving Guru ji.

But still if it is not proper, I made a grave mistake. How do I repent?

P.s. - I don't know if it matters but the seva I was to do for sangats benefit was done after Chaur sahib Ji da seva and guru ji blessed me to do the best job I have ever done. And then even after i was to done with that seva Waheguru Ji magically commanded me from where I was suppose to be sitting to walk across Darbar Hall to rejoin the girls side. the group I was sitting with all scattered away (that had never happened in the past, we always sit together behind the podium and wait for Guru Ji's hukam before we get up). Just minutes after I moved back an uncle and a veer ji came sat right next to me in the front and started trying to work the projector system. I have never done it before but they couldn't make it work, so I told them the mistake they were making and was asked to take over the seva.

If it is such a bad thing to go in Guru Ji's presence when its that time of the month, why did Guru ji bless me to feel so connected with him, to do well on my part of the seva of sangat and then move me back to help with the projector seva, though I had never done it before?

Bhenji who told u that we can't do sewa at the time of periods its not at all like that this things happen in hindus and not in sikhs. We are lucky to be sikh there is no such rule or principle in sikhi that we can't do sewa at the time of periods. There is no difference between a boy and girl in sikhi with this u can imagine that there is no such difference for a girl on period days etc. Sikhi is above this stupid things that a girl can't do sewa at the time of periods we should be proud to be a sikh. sikhi vicha na koi chuta chaata hai na koi veham bharam na hi cast difference nothing...........just a true heart who should always ready to learn what a sikh religion is, read gurbani understand it and apply it in u'r life that's it. Sikhi is such a simple religion eda da veham-bharam di koi jagah ni sikhi vicha

[Only five]

You can do all the path di seva whenever you want. If it's that time of month then take the precautions and you can still do any seva you want or are asked of.

Just like everyone else, Take a shower, have clean clothes on and have a pure heart. That's all you need.

[Guest G.Kaur]

Impurity and Women Sunday 23rd October, 2005 Singhnee's Corner Staff Writer

(KP) -

One day I was sitting with my aunty ji whom I respected very much and thought she knew more than me about Sikh way of life. Well what happened was, she randomly started talking about women and their menses. She said it was a curse for women. She told my sister and me a story about how we women were cursed. I laughed because few weeks ago another panji/sister had just told me during Asa di // meaning of the Gurbani which is discussed in one of the next sections. I didn’t say anything at that time, because I my self was new to the path, and felt uncomfortable arguing with an older person. The story she told us was passed down by my aunt’s mother and what made it more interesting was that my aunt’s mother was amritdhari. Then it made sense why my aunt took the story so seriously, without ever considering other sources to find out the truth.

We tend to believe whatever an older person, especially amritdhari (Guru-roop) says. They, because of the respect and trust we have in Khalsa, to us seem like the best resource. It should be that way, but what we forget to do is, has the person explained to us in terms of what Gurbani says on the topic/issue.

There are a lot of women out there who do not feel comfortable doing Seva especially during their menses. A main example is sitting on the ‘tabiyaa’ (Guru Ji’s hazoori) during this time. This topic is not frequently talked about as women themselves think they are “dirty”. Why do they think they are “dirty”? The above mentioned incident should explain the reason.

There is no rule in Sikhi where it mentions not being able to pray unlike in Islam where women cannot fast or pray during this time. Why can a woman not undertake the duty of Paath because of a specific time of a month? It is not restricted to a specific number of weeks a month. It is sad to say, but most of us who call ourselves Sikhs don’t know the teaching of our own Guru Sahib Jis. Also there are not as many Granthee women as there are men, which lead us to think that “may be” men are the only ones who should do this seva.

By some unaware/unconscious people, woman is still labeled “impure”. Well lets talk about what impurity really is? The answers are all in Gurbaani and it is clearly stated that “Sootak”, impurity or pollution is in those who do not have the Lord’s name dwelling in their mind.

ਸੂਤਕਿ ਕਰਮ ਨ ਪੂਜਾ ਹੋਇ ॥

The actions of those who do not worship the Lord are polluted.

The womb of woman that sheds the egg periodically is responsible for new life on earth and in this womb the Lord places the soul:

ਮਾਤ ਗਰਭ ਮਹਿ ਜਿਨਿ ਪ੍ਰਤਿਪਾਰਿਆ ॥

He cherished and preserved you in your mother's womb;

ਜੀਉ ਪਿੰਡੁ ਦੇ ਸਾਜਿ ਸਵਾਰਿਆ ॥

He blessed you with body and soul, and embellished you.

A woman is responsible for giving birth to all human life and nurturing it:

ਉਦਰ ਸੰਜੋਗੀ ਧਰਤੀ ਮਾਤਾ ॥

The womb of the great mother earth gives birth to all

Furthermore, some individuals forbid taking Amrit during menses. Giving this a thought, if the Lord created Raakt, and it is considered impurity, what about the rest of the creation? We all are born from it, (so in a sense we all are impure, and no one can ever be pure enough to take amrit or do seva. That is what Christians believe, isn’t it that you are born as a “sinner”? Are we implying the same thing? This way we all are impure, and we all should totally stop doing seva. Is this what Sikhi/Guru sahib ji is saying to us? We would if Guru Sahib Jis didn’t have anything to say about this, but He has. Every human life is made out of her Rakt Bundh and this does not make them impure. Women should accept the fact that it does not make a difference in the Love and devotion of serving the Lord. For she is pure if her mind is filled with True Love (for the Lord Vaheguru). It’s the state of mind. This is not only true for women, but for men as well. Seva is essential part of a Sikh’s spiritual life and if we deny that one of the most important aspect of Sikhi to a particular “gender” we will be doing injustice to the human kind as a whole, in addition we will be going against our own Gurus who are our only support in life. Thus, the Guru’s teachings that we so dearly were trying to keep intact, we our selves would be destroying it by not letting Kaur do seva at anytime. We will be taking away one of the right, which only our Guru Ji gave to the humankind. It’s our choice, either we keep the distorted belief we have and not let our daughters/sisters/wives do seva, or do as per Guru sahib ji’s hukum and let Kaurs follow Guru Sahib Ji’s hukum and make the janam safla (fulfill the life’s purpose). The importance of women is stated inRaag Aasaa on Angg 473 by Guru Nanak Dev Ji:

ਸੋ ਕਿਉ ਮੰਦਾ ਆਖੀਐ ਜਿਤੁ ਜੰਮਹਿ ਰਾਜਾਨ ॥

So why call her bad? From her, kings are born.

ਭੰਡਹੁ ਹੀ ਭੰਡੁ ਊਪਜੈ ਭੰਡੈ ਬਾਝੁ ਨ ਕੋਇ ॥

From woman, woman is born; without woman, there would be no one at all.

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[Guest true that]

I agree with "G Kaur" bhenji. We shouldn't worry about any period of the month. We could do any seva we regularly do such as Parkash seva, Sukhaasan Seva, Akhand/ Sehaj paath Seva, or Chaur Saheb Seva, or Langar seva. Guru ji never prohibted Bibia from doing any seva, when they are on period. So bhenji you don't need to worry about this matter at all. Vaheguru knows everything. All He wants is a true heart filled with pyaar....thats all it takes to do Guru ji's seva.

[chupchapiti]

I agree with "G Kaur" bhenji. We shouldn't worry about any period of the month. We could do any seva we regularly do such as Parkash seva, Sukhaasan Seva, Akhand/ Sehaj paath Seva, or Chaur Saheb Seva, or Langar seva. Guru ji never prohibted Bibia from doing any seva, when they are on period. So bhenji you don't need to worry about this matter at all. Vaheguru knows everything. All He wants is a true heart filled with pyaar....thats all it takes to do Guru ji's seva.