Guru Gobind Singh Ji & Vishnu .....

[Guest SarabjeetSingh]

According to your above post should'n there be en ounkhaar in this line then since it talks about Vishnu the avatar and not Akal purakh.. Using your above grammar then this sentence would refer to Akal Purakh.

Exactly ! my point !

Can someone clarify please ?

[mohinder pal]

When we say Akal Purakh had Created Brahma,Vishnu ,Mahesh.; Do you think we should do the Ninda of the Created Ones.

Tai hee Durgaa saaj kai daitaa daa naas karaaiaa.

Taitho hee bul Raam lai naal baanhaa Dahsir ghaaiaa.

Taitho hee bul Krishan lai Kans kaysee pakarh giraaiaa.

Baday baday mun dayvtay kaiee jug tinee tan taaiaa

Above mentioned lines from Chandi Di Vaar clearly states that TAITHO(You-Waheguru only have created Ram,Krishan[forms of Vishnu]). that means It was the Hukam of Akal or Waheguru to create Durga,Raam,Krishan to establish Dharam in Matlok.

[Guest SarabjeetSingh]

When we say Akal Purakh had Created Brahma,Vishnu ,Mahesh.; Do you think we should do the Ninda of the Created Ones.

Tai hee Durgaa saaj kai daitaa daa naas karaaiaa.

Taitho hee bul Raam lai naal baanhaa Dahsir ghaaiaa.

Taitho hee bul Krishan lai Kans kaysee pakarh giraaiaa.

Baday baday mun dayvtay kaiee jug tinee tan taaiaa

Above mentioned lines from Chandi Di Vaar clearly states that TAITHO(You-Waheguru only have created Ram,Krishan[forms of Vishnu]). that means It was the Hukam of Akal or Waheguru to create Durga,Raam,Krishan to establish Dharam in Matlok.

Not really the answer ! and the aunkad , dulankad matra seems to make no sense at all either !

Or maybe Akal purakh which Guru Gobind Singh ji worshiped was none other than Shri Vishnu ji himself !

So , Is Akal purakh = waheguru = Vishnu (the supreme God ) ?

Plus Ram , Hari , Bitthal , Gopal , Gobind , NARAYAN are all names of Vishnu ! How can we be sure that hari worshiped in Guru Granth Sahib and Dasam granth is not Vishnu Bhagwan of Hinduism ?

[GPS]

Guru sahib writes that these deities were created by Akal purakh, That means they are

not equivalent to akal purakh.

sarabjit, you have got your answer. What else you want?

[mohinder pal]

Gurbani Says Jin Manas te DEVTEE Kiyee, Karat Na Lagi vaar.

Which means Devtee are better than Humans

[Guest SarabjeetSingh]

Gurbani Says Jin Manas te DEVTEE Kiyee, Karat Na Lagi vaar.

Which means Devtee are better than Humans

If devte are cooler than manas , then why Gurbani says "Is dehi ko tarse dev" ( Even Gods long for such human body )

[mohinder pal]

Is Dehi ko Tarse Dev.

Whenever Nirankar or Waheguru or any form of Vishnu takes avtar on Matlok, then Even Devtaas beg for the Darshan and Seva of that Avtaar. So Devtaas beg infront of Akal Purakh to give them Human Body so that they could serve the Satguru or Avtaar in the Matlok and do Naam Jap. They cannot do Seva and Simran in their Devta Form

[mohinder pal]

Not really the answer ! and the aunkad , dulankad matra seems to make no sense at all either !

Or maybe Akal purakh which Guru Gobind Singh ji worshiped was none other than Shri Vishnu ji himself !

So , Is Akal purakh = waheguru = Vishnu (the supreme God ) ?

Plus Ram , Hari , Bitthal , Gopal , Gobind , NARAYAN are all names of Vishnu ! How can we be sure that hari worshiped in Guru Granth Sahib and Dasam granth is not Vishnu Bhagwan of Hinduism ?

Vishnu is not the Supreme Lord, it is the Maha Vishnu or Maha Kaal or Akal who is the Supreme Lord(Formless). All Puran Brhamgyanis, Puran Sant are the form of Maha Vishnu/Mahakal or Akal.

[gurs1kh]

Not really the answer ! and the aunkad , dulankad matra seems to make no sense at all either !

Or maybe Akal purakh which Guru Gobind Singh ji worshiped was none other than Shri Vishnu ji himself !

So , Is Akal purakh = waheguru = Vishnu (the supreme God ) ?

Plus Ram , Hari , Bitthal , Gopal , Gobind , NARAYAN are all names of Vishnu ! How can we be sure that hari worshiped in Guru Granth Sahib and Dasam granth is not Vishnu Bhagwan of Hinduism ?

I'll have to ask someone with more gyan about the use of ounkarh and sihaari. But I assure you that ounkarhs and sihaaris have some meaning in Gubani.

I believe it might have to do with who is being spoken about. For example:

In Japji Sahib, It says ਜਿਨ ਕੈ ਰਾਮੁ ਵਸੈ ਮਨ ਮਾਹਿ ॥ At the time, everyone assumed Ram as Ram, no Akal Purakh, so Guru Ji used ounkarh to indicate God.

In Chaubees Avtar, it says ਕਿਸਨ ਬਿਸਨ ਕਬਹੂੰ ਨਹਿ ਧਿਆਊਂ ॥ In Chabuees Avtar, it is talking already talking about the avtars, so there is no point in adding an ounkarh.

In Kabiyo Bach Benti Chaupi, it says ਕਾਲ ਪਾਇ ਕਰਿ ਬਿਸਨੁ ਪ੍ਰਕਾਸਾ ॥ In Chaupaee Sahib, Guru Ji is talking to Akal Purakh. So when talking about Vishnu, there is an ounkarh to show that that is who Guru Ji is talking to.

Note: This is my current thinking, I haven't asked someone with more gyan yet. I'll comfirm once I've done so.

Also, when you say that Guru Gobind Singh ji might have been worshipping Vishnu, it makes me wonder: Are You A Sikh?

[mohinder pal]

I'll have to ask someone with more gyan about the use of ounkarh and sihaari. But I assure you that ounkarhs and sihaaris have some meaning in Gubani.

I believe it might have to do with who is being spoken about. For example:

In Japji Sahib, It says ਜਿਨ ਕੈ ਰਾਮੁ ਵਸੈ ਮਨ ਮਾਹਿ ॥ At the time, everyone assumed Ram as Ram, no Akal Purakh, so Guru Ji used ounkarh to indicate God.

In Chaubees Avtar, it says ਕਿਸਨ ਬਿਸਨ ਕਬਹੂੰ ਨਹਿ ਧਿਆਊਂ ॥ In Chabuees Avtar, it is talking already talking about the avtars, so there is no point in adding an ounkarh.

In Kabiyo Bach Benti Chaupi, it says ਕਾਲ ਪਾਇ ਕਰਿ ਬਿਸਨੁ ਪ੍ਰਕਾਸਾ ॥ In Chaupaee Sahib, Guru Ji is talking to Akal Purakh. So when talking about Vishnu, there is an ounkarh to show that that is who Guru Ji is talking to.

Note: This is my current thinking, I haven't asked someone with more gyan yet. I'll comfirm once I've done so.

Also, when you say that Guru Gobind Singh ji might have been worshipping Vishnu, it makes me wonder: Are You A Sikh?

Naamdev, Kabir, Prahlad, Dhru all worshipped Vishnu and their names are in SGGSJI and still you are questioning whether they were sikhs