Guru Nanak Niskham Seva Jatha - Pro-Movement?

[bakaree]

Just came across a magazine called "Bloody 84" which advocated the cause of a Sikh homeland. It was first published in 1984 and then republished, both publications were paid for by the Guru Nanak Niskham Seva Jatha (UK). It contains images of Sikh Freedom Fighters.

Interesting as this magazine sets out the case for a Sikh homeland, and outlines discrimination against Sikhs and Constitutional issues which form the basis of the Sikh protest, now as all these issues are still valid and relevant I wonder what Singhs from the Jatha think, someone is clearly wrong either the previous leadership or the current?

I am just curious as to when did the mindset of the Jatha change?

[Singh Frm Bham]

I can't see how you got to the conclusion that there is something wrong with either previous or current leadership of Guru Nanak Nishkam Sevak Jatha.

Anyway, below is a few connections Guru Nanak Nishkam Sevak Jatha has with the Gurmukh Pyare fighters of that time:

1) Sant Baba Jarnail Singh Ji used to send letters to Sant Baba Puran Singh Ji. The letters are still there are GNNSJ Birmingham.

2) Bhai Sahib Norang Singh also used to communicate to Sant Baba Jarnail Singh Ji. There is even a interesting sakhi I was told by gursikhs. When the Dharam Yudh Morcha first began many gurdware began collecting money for the Morcha. Many gursikhs were giving their full wage packages for the cause (and remember that at the time most gursikhs did factory/labour work in the UK). Bhai Sahib Norang Singh Ji asked a gursikh from Walsall (who is still alive today) to go to Sant Ji and ask how much money they have recieved from the UK sangat. When the gursikh from walsall went to india and approached Sant Ji, Sant Baba Jarnail Singh Ji said that not even a penny has got to us (i.e. people along that process had used all that sangat money for there own means).

3) Sant Baba Thakur Singh Ji has been to Soho Road gurdwara and done sangat with Bhai Sahib Bhai Mohinder Singh Ji. They also attended one of the Sampat Akhand Paat bhogs at Birmingham.

4) Sant Baba Harnam Singh Ji (Rampur Khere Wale) have done sangat of Bhai Sahib Norang Singh Ji. A gursikh said he's got a picture of Baba Ji recieving a siropa from Bhai Sahib Ji. Sant Baba Harnam Singh Ji also requested the sevadars to wear a hazooria when doing maharaj ji's seva and they have done so since.

5) Giani Amolak Singh Ji was of course involved:

There are probably many more instances. As for the Jatha view on Khalistan you should go and talk to Bhai Sahib Ji directly. Otherwise your getting someone else's opinion on the matter.

[bakaree]

Fateh ji,

Not necessarily Khalistan (but implied support is more than evident through the literature I referenced to) but all the Sikh grievances such as water, greater autonomy, discrimination etc are detailed, and correct me if I am wrong but I have not of recent years heard the Jatha dealing with these pertinent issues. I thought that they just were never active and were anti-movement, simply as I had not ever heard anything re this period of Sikh history. Then I came across this mag which made me more confused and curious at the U turn.

After putting this post up a knowledgeable Gursikh message me this

"Basically Baba Pooran Singh was 100% pro-movement & Sant Jee. Then in the times of Baba Naurgang Singh - they wanted to start the seva of putting Gold back on Sri Darbar Sahib & what they did was to politically distance themselves from previous work so as to be able to get a foot into doing seva in India. So they made a political sacrifice which I don't personally agree with, when this mag was printed & distributed they went & told the Indian High Commission that they categrorically had nothing to do with it - this was during the current leadership of Bhai Mohinder Singh (Giani Amolak Singh was alive at the time - but they had their own internal politics & he was more of a figurehead than someone who made the decisions)."

[Singh Frm Bham]

To be fair most jathabandia are contributing in a very gupt way. Even currently, there are gursikhs from jathabandia such as the akhand kirtania jatha, damdami taksal and nihangs who are dealing with these pertinent issues have done so in a very gupt way. Some of the seva hasn't even been informed to more that five singhs.

On other panthic seva that GNNSJ get involved with, I know a few times Bhai Sahib Ji has requested that in not be announced (hence Guru Nanak Nishkam Sevak Jatha). Since the time of Sant Baba Puran Singh Ji they have kept panthic seva gupt (as have other jathas).

[DalbirSingh]

http://vimeo.com/35228487

[Guest KopSingh]

wow wat a video, never seen amrit sanchar ceremony before. btw wich gurdwara is that? is that southall havelock rd? wuda bin better, if there were more naujawan there, sad reflection of sangat in most gurdwaras nowadays

[Azaad]

wow wat a video, never seen amrit sanchar ceremony before. btw wich gurdwara is that? is that southall havelock rd? wuda bin better, if there were more naujawan there, sad reflection of sangat in most gurdwaras nowadays

Thats Guru Nanak Nishkam Sewak Jatha (Soho Rd Gurdwara)

[Hazoor]

Thank you for sharing that video :-)

[Giani Sukha Singh]

Question:

Is it OK to show or video what happens in the Amrit sanchar?

[bakaree]

To be fair Gurmukho, the problem is that this "gupt seva" thats apparently happening, is on too much a small scale, and on an individual level to be effective.

Regarding the Taksaal and AKJ yes there may be individual Gursikhs doing sevam, but these jathebandis as Jathebandis need to address the huge issues in Punjab until it is too late, never in Sikh history, more recently or from the start have issues like this been deal with by a handful of singhs, but instead the Sikh leaders rallied the sangat.

My question is why have the Nishkam Seva Jatha departed from openly condemning the human rights violations (which continue today), and why have they stopped voicing their opinion against the injustices against the Sikhs re constitutional issues.