Has Multiculturalism Failed In The Uk?

[RebelSingh]

I agree you with you that the problem is indeed arising due to anti social activities by a minority of Pakistani immigrants but as for the solution I reckon the UK needs to see how other countries have dealt with it.

Over here take Australia for example, if you do your homework you will realise Australia also is a very diverse country but we have always had a simple yet strong philosophy for the rest of the world

"Don't bother coming here if you don't intend to integrate and adapt to our culture. We don't want you! If you do adapt and make the effort, we will accept you as our own"

Now some may view that as racist but it actually isn't. What it actually is, is taking a tough stance on people who come to Australia and then suddenly demand special privileges as seen by members of certain minorities in the UK such as the Muslim community.

If Britain was seen to be portraying a similar message and would stop giving individuals from minorities leniency in the courts then it wouldn't be an issue.

What do you guys think about that?

LOOOOOOL u seriously praising australia for its multi-culturalism? Is this the same australia that has seen a HUGE rise in killings of panjabi and indian/pakistani students in the past 5-6yrs? Is this the same australia who has a famous soap like "neighbours" who recieved thousands of compaints from the so-called "indigenous" white viewers, angry at the fact that an asian/indian family were 2 b introduced to ramsey street? Ur havin a bubble bath mate!

@WestLondonSingh - good post, great article aswel.

[OzzySingh]

Ozzy Singh, Let me start by saying that no nation on earth should ever look to Australia for any guidance on how to have good race relations. It has, arguably, always been the most blatantly racist nation on earth. For example many talk about the openly racist Laws that America once had in place but lets not forget that America got rid of its racist Laws 60 or 70 years ago. Australia, on the other hand, had racist laws and policies in place right up until recently. In the field of multi-culturalism and good race relations it is playing catch-up with the rest of the civilised world.

As for your other point, although you name your thread 'multiculturalism' you seem to be confusing the idea of 'multi-culturalism' with 'assimilation'. For example, America does not practice multiculturalism ; it expects immigrants, of whatever colour and creed, to discard the culture they came from and assimilate into American culture. From the very beginning of large scale black and south asian immigration into Britain in the 40's and 50's, that idea has been considered contrary to an individual's human rights in this country. From the very beginning, the ideology here is that every culture is valuable....every culture has legitimacy....every culture deserves to be respected and be able to be practiced without fear. And with this multi-cultural ideal the different cultures coexist alongside each other, with mutual tolerance and respect. It works wonderfully. It is a great system.

As for what you said about the Courts, you know it was actually a proud ankhi Sikh that changed the way the English courts deal with different cultures. In the 1983 landmark case of Sardar Tejender Singh at Cambridge County Court, Sardar Tejinder Singh turned his back on the Judge and told him he had zero respect for him and the system. For the first time ever in English legal history a man was not held in contempt of court for such an act. The Court, and Judge, acknowledged, that if an individual from a different culture believed in the authority of a different, higher being it was not for the Court to impose their own traditions on him. You see, this is the beauty of multicultural Britian. Lets take the city of Southampton for example : Each year at the beginning of the Basakhi nagar kirtan, the city fathers and Mayor stand alongside the Sikh community and lower the British flag from atop of the town hall and instead hoist the Nishan Sahib. Acknowledging that for the Sikhs, the Nishan Sahib is the national flag.....i.e the flag of most importance.

Sitting in Australia, you probably imagine the multi-culutural make-up of England to be Jamaicans and Asians. Over the last decade or so though, the biggest change in the make-up here in London is the influx of French blacks from Paris. Absolutely millions of them. They see British multi-culturalism has something quite heavenly. I'll leave you then, with the thoughts of Beni assou-Ekotto, the right back of Tottenham football club : http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2011/may/11/assou-ekotto-bassong-france-race-quotas

It seems WLS that you may be lacking some historical knowledge when it comes to Racism. Firstly how would you argue Australia is the most blatantly racist nation in the world when you have countries with troubled pasts such as America. The only racist Australian government endorsed act/implemented would have to be the White Australia Policy. This was restricting essentially the restriction of entry of non-whites between 1901 and 1943-1973 when it was progressively dismantled. Furthermore maybe you should also be informed that Slkhs for example had begun to visit and call Australia their home from the 1890's onwards. And never from that point onwards up until recently did they face discrimination. So yeah to recap that policy only restricted entry to non-white immigrants. I'm not saying it was perfectly fine. Of courses it was wrong, but it is definitely a far cry from the brutal treatment meted out to Black American slaves in Colonial America.

Need some clarification? Well I recommend you and anyone else with time to spare to read a very well written history on Australian Sikhs called 'A Punjabi Sikh Community in Australia - from Indian sojurners to Australian citizens'.

The entire piece can be found at http://www.apnaorg.com/books/sikhs-in-australia/

I sincerely recommend it, it is a fascinating read. If anyone knows of any other pieces of documented Sikh history in Uk/USA/Canada please share as I would love to read them.

Also you mentioned Australian having 'racist laws and policies right up until recently'. Could you please detail which laws and policies you are referring to? I have already detailed the White Australia which was dismantled over 40-50 years ago but are there any others that I'm strangely unaware of?

But anyway yes although Australian can be seen as country attempting to deal with its past but so is virtually every other 'Anglosphere Country.

In regards to the UK, thank you and everyone else for clarification on the matter but I would like to gather your opinion on the following letter that was forwarded to me. Would you consider the author of the letter below racist? To be honest I don't think the man is asking for too much, rather he makes a good point of what the Muslim community seem to be doing wrong. Thank you

Quote: You must be the change you wish to see in the world - Mahatma Gandhi

Of all the emails sent and read over the years, this Qantas Airlines Pilot, Captian John Maniscalco, hits it all on the head with one mind boggling effort.

Friends,

I think this applies to almost EVERY country now! ! !

The paper stated today that some Muslim doctor is saying we are profiling him because he has been checked three times while getting on an airplane. The following is a letter from a pilot. This well spoken man, who is a pilot with QANTAS Airlines, says what is in his heart, beautifully. . . . Read, absorb and pass this on.

'YOU WORRY ME! ' By Qantas Airlines Pilot - Captain John Maniscalco

I've been trying to say this since 911 in New York, but you worry me. I wish you didn't. I wish when I walked down the streets of this country that I love, that your color and culture still blended with the beautiful human landscape we enjoy in this country. But you don't blend in anymore. I notice you, and it worries me. I notice you because I can't help it anymore.

People from your homelands, professing to be Muslims, have been attacking and killing my fellow citizens and our friends for more than 20 years now. I don't fully understand their grievances and hate, but I know that nothing can justify the inhumanity of their attacks.

On September 11 & again early April 2010 in NYC, ARAB-MUSLIMS hijacked four jetliners in the U. S. And tried to explode a carbomb. They cut the throats of women in front of children and brutally stabbed to death others. They took control of those planes and crashed them into buildings killing thousands of proud fathers, loving sons, wise grandparents, elegant daughters, best friends, favorite coaches, fearless public servants, and children's mothers.

The Palestinians celebrated, the Iraqis were overjoyed as was most of the Muslim world. So, I notice you now. I don't want to be worried. I don't want to be consumed by the same rage and hate and prejudice that has destroyed the souls of these terrorists. But I need your help. As a rational Australian, trying to protect my country and family in an irrational and unsafe world, I must know how to tell the difference between you, and the Arab/Muslim terrorist.

How do I differentiate between the true Arab/Muslim Australians and the Arab/Muslim terrorists in our communities who are attending our schools, enjoying our parks, and living in OUR communities under the protection of OUR democratic government, while they plot the next attack that will slaughter these same good neighbors and children?

The events of September 11, 2001 and April 17th 2010, in the U. S. changed the answer. It is not my responsibility to determine which of you embraces our great country, with ALL of its religions, with ALL of its different citizens, with all of its faults. It is time for every Muslim in this country to determine it for me.

I want to know, I demand to know, and I have a right to know, whether or not you love Australia. Do you pledge allegiance to our flag? Do you proudly display it in front of your house, or on your car? Do you pray in your many daily prayers that Allah will bless this nation, that He will protect and prosper it? Or do you pray that Allah with destroy it in one of your Jihad's? Are you thankful for the freedom that only this nation affords? A freedom that was paid for by the blood of hundreds of thousands of diggers who gave their lives for this country? Are you willing to preserve this freedom by also paying the ultimate sacrifice? Do you love Australia? If this is your commitment, then I need YOU to start letting ME know about it.

Your Muslim leaders in this nation should be flooding the media at this time with hard facts on your faith, and what hard actions you are taking as a community and as a religion to protect Australia. Please, no more benign overtures of regret for the death of the innocent because I worry about who you regard as innocent. No more benign overtures of condemnation for the unprovoked attacks because I worry about what is unprovoked to you. I am not interested in any more sympathy. I am ONLY interested in action. What will you do for Australia - our great country - at this time of crisis, at this time of war?

I want to see Muslims waving the AUSTRALIAN flag in the streets. I want to hear you chanting 'Allah Bless Australia' I want to see young Muslim men enlisting in the military. I want to see a commitment of money, time, and emotion to the victims of this butchering and to this nation as a whole.

The AFP has a list of over 100 people they want to talk to regarding potential terrorism. Many of these people live and socialise right now in Muslim communities. You know them. . You know where they are. Hand them over to the police, now! But I have seen little even approaching this sort of action. Instead I have seen an already closed and secretive community close even tighter. You have disappeared from the streets. You have posted armed security guards at your facilities. You have threatened lawsuits. You have screamed for protection from reprisals.

The very few Muslim representatives that HAVE appeared in the media were defensive and equivocating. They seemed more concerned with making sure that the Australia proves who was responsible before taking action. They seemed more concerned with protecting their fellow Muslims from violence directed towards them in Australia and abroad than they did with supporting our country and denouncing 'leaders' like Khadafi, Hussein, Farrakhan, and Arafat.

If the true teachings of Islam proclaim tolerance and peace and love for all people, then I want chapter and verse from the Koran and statements from popular Muslim leaders to back it up. What good is it if the teachings in the Koran are good, and pure, and true, when your 'leaders' are teaching fanatical interpretations, terrorism, and intolerance? It matters little how good Islam SHOULD BE, if huge numbers of the world's Muslims interpret the teachings of Mohammed incorrectly and adhere to a degenerative form of the religion. A form that has been demonstrated to us over and over again. A form whose structure is built upon a foundation of violence, death, and suicide. A form whose members are recruited from the prisons around the world. A form whose members (some as young as five years old) are seen day after day, week in and week out, year after year, marching in the streets around the world, burning effigies of our leaders, burning the Australian/American/British flags, shooting weapons into the air. A form whose members convert from a peaceful religion, only to take up arms against Australia, the USA, United Kingdom, - countries of their birth. A form whose rules are so twisted, that their travelling members refuse to show their faces at airport security checkpoints, in the name of Islam.

We will NEVER allow the attacks of Bali, September 11, or any others for that matter, to take away that which is so precious to us: Our democratic rights, freedoms, and fun loving way of life. I want to know where every Muslim in this country stands and I think it is my right and the right of every true citizen of this country to demand it. A right paid for by the blood of thousands of my brothers and sisters who died protecting the very system of government that is protecting you and your family.

I am pleading with you to let me know. I want you here as my brother, my neighbor, my friend, as a fellow Australian. But there can be no grey areas or ambivalence regarding your allegiance, and it is up to YOU, to show ME, where YOU stand. Until then. 'YOU WORRY ME! '

I totally agree with this sentiment. I hope you will forget all about the 'political correctness' mandate we've had rammed down our throats, and see if this doesn't ring true in your heart and mind.

For

Australia, with all the multiculturism we've been told is so important. . .. . Why should we not, as Australians, expect that the thousands of new people immigrating to our country will show their love for our country, their allegiance to our country, their willingness to obey the laws of our country, and acceptance that we are a Christian country? Just because they are able to enjoy exercising their own religion, they should not expect us to be ashamed of ours. They knew Australia was a Christian country when they came here. Why are we erasing Christianity because immigrants who are unwilling to adopt our way of life expect us to? There is just too much insanity in the world, and we have to start taking a stand.

I hope you will forward this, so others will feel they are not alone if they are starting to feel the same.

[West London Singh]

Ozzy Singh, Its a good thing we are not writing on paper, otherwise I think we'd all be in agreement that you're a prolific waster of natural resources, re; the unnecessary last 80% of your post above. A chunk that you know as well as I that nobody in their right mind will waste valuable time reading. I certainly won't. I'd rather poke myself in the eye with a sharp pencil.

Listen fella, Australia's a beautiful country but it will do you good to realise what the world thinks about you. Just a do a quick google search and look for what the world thinks is the most racist country on earth. You will notice that it is the word 'Australia' that keeps popping up. I don't know.....Perhaps the world is wrong and you are right. In which case, you've got a busy night ahead of you, trying to convince the world in the same way you've tried to convince me. Good luck with that mate. Before you do so, may I kindly suggest you read up on how Australia not only denied the rights of man to its dark skinned indigenous population but also had a policy of forcibly removing dark babies from their dark mothers, for these are the kinda things that the world associates Australia with. You're gonna need to understand how others perceive you if you are to reason with them with confidence.

Look, lets just end this here. Australians, by nature, are oblivious as to their reputation in the world. Australia mistakingly thinks it has a better reputation than it actually does. The uncomfortable truth however is that its international reputation is of a systematically racist country. You trying to convince me otherwise is neither here nor there. Lets not waste each others time here. My field of expertise is racist legislation and frankly its embarrassing for me to get a lecture from you on the matter.

Here fella....let me start you off with some light reading material :

http://theconversation.edu.au/australias-wake-up-call-from-the-un-yes-were-a-racist-country-1506

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/nickbryant/2009/10/is_australia_unusually_racist.html

[Hammertime007]

this is what multicultralisim has led to

http://www.expressandstar.com/news/2012/05/11/wolverhampton-taxi-drivers-kidnappers-jailed/

[RebelSingh]

FINALLY FINALLY a gorah whos talkin some sense, wtihout sounding like a nazi.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRk72gbCdNQ