connection between Jesus in the Bible and Guru Nanaak

[13Mirch]

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WAS BABA NANAK A MUSLIM?

Many misguided muslim brothers believe Baba Nanak was a muslim. Here we will answer their misguided assertions.

But first who is a muslim? According to their own definition a muslim is:

1.) No one worthy of worship but Allah.

2.) Prophet Mohammed the last messenger of God.

3.) Lives by the teachings of Islam.

Now the Sikh concept however is different:

1.) One Creator, God but we can merge with this creator and become one with him. Guru is already one with God.

2.) Guru Nanak is Guru and not prophet Mohammad. We can bow to Guru Sahib, praise him and serve him. Why? As he is fully merged with one. Even though he is human he has Waheguru inside him using him as a platform. Guru Arjan Dev Ji tells us:

Gur Parmeshwar eko jaan, Jo tis Bhavae so Parvaan. (M5).

Know that Guru is one with God. If we please Guru we will be honoured in his court.

Now Guru Nanak Dev Ji also calls himself a messenger of God, if he was muslim this would be sacrilege as muslims only believe in Prophet Mohammad and those before him as messengers. Many people say later Guru's changed Guru Ji's Bani. These people can still access the pothis at various Gurudwaras and see Guru Ji's notebooks and what he wrote in them. It would be very hard to change what was already written as each Guru used it as the basis for his Bani. We as Sikhs however believe all Gurus were one jot, Guru Nanak Dev Ji in different forms.

Lets look at Guru Ji's life history first:

1.) Guru Ji was born into a Hindu family. His father's name was Mehta Kalu, mother's Tripta Devi and sister's Nanaki.

2.) Due to his family being Hindu Guru Ji first studied in a Hindu school. At this point there is no proof of him coming into contact with Islamic theology.

3.) Later Guru Ji went to a muslim school to learn. However there is no indication, even in history there, that Guru Ji said shahdat or Islamic declaration of faith.

4.) Guru Ji's emphasis on oneness with God was unique however oneness of God isn't a concept unique to Islam only. Christianity and Judaism believe in oneness of God and at the time Bhagti movement was prevalent in India when Guru Ji was growing up. Which also preached the oneness of God.

5.) Guru Sahib's marriage. By this time Guru ji would have finished his studies from both pandit and maulvi. Who did he get married to? Seeing how India was a diverse nation at the time, power however was with the muslim minority. A non-muslim marrying a muslim was out of the question however. Mehta Kalu arranged Guru Ji's marriage with Mata Sulakhni, daughter of Mool Chand and Chando Rani; both Hindus from Batala. Now how did Guru Ji get married?

There is no proof of him going around agni as Hindus do or doing Nikkah. Instead Guru Ji wrote Ik-Onkaar on a piece of paper and went around that with his wife. This so infuriated the high-caste Brahims that they tried killing him by throwing a crumbling wall on him but Guru Ji stopped the wall. This wall is still preserved in Pakistan.

Now another indication is that Sulakhni is not an Islamic name. And no Maulvi or Qazi were present at the wedding.

6.) Now lets look at the names of Guru Sahib's children.

Baba Sri Chand and Lakhmi Dass. Knowing how Guru Ji uses names of Hindu Gods and Muslim names for Gods for Waheguru we can easily say these names had no Hindu meaning. However they do not sound Muslim at all or carry any Islamic meaning.

7.) It is an accepted fact that Guru Nanak Dev Ji after emerging from Bein Nadi said "There is no hindu nor Muslim." Now if Guru Nanak was a muslim imagine what would have been done to him. He was denying the faith he was born in!

8.) Guru Nanak Dev Ji writes in Bani that he was a Dhadhi, a ministrel. A musician without a job. Now music is not often associated with Islam. There are fatwas against it and with it. One can reach the conclusion total music is a waste of time in Islam. Guru Ji however said he was a permanent musician. In fact he and Bhai Mradanna had a rawab and Guru Ji advocated Kirtan.

9.) Guru Ji did not discuss or teach from the koran, which again would be a sacrilege for a muslim he discussed and taught mainly from his own writings and sang from them. Again another taboo in Islam.

10.) Guru Ji went to a mosque. Yes and he went to temples. In both places he refused to observe costumes and join in with the worshippers. Why? Because as Guru Ji said both Hindus and muslims follow the wrong concept of God. Muslims took Guru Ji to a mosque to prove there were muslims. But there he did not join in with them in namaz. When after namaz he was asked by Qazi and Nawab why he did not join in he told them that no one was praying correctly, as their minds were elsewhere. They did not know how to pray. If he was a true muslim, irregardless of what others thought he would have still did namaz. According to Islam only Allah is allowed to know one's mind or whats inside one. Al-Ghyab or the invisible world. Guru Ji however was the messenger of God and not 100% God himself, yet he still knew what was in everyone's minds. Another differentiation from Islam on this point, as Guru and God are both Antarjami.

11.) Guru Ji had a musim friend Mardanna with him on his travels. But Mardanna, no indication has been given, ever did namaz or followed Islam despite being born in a muslim family. He also helped Guru Ji sing his bani, a message outside the Koran. The Koran forbids spreading messages from other sources as both Guru Ji and Mardanna were doing. Also Bhai Mardanna's bani is in Guru Granth Sahib:

ਸਲੋਕ੝ ਮਰਦਾਨਾ ੧ ॥

सलोकढ़ मरदाना १ ॥

Salok marḝĝnĝ 1.

Shalok, Mardaanaa:

ਕਲਿ ਕਲਵਾਲੀ ਕਾਮ੝ ਮਦ੝ ਮਨੂਆ ਪੀਵਣਹਾਰ੝ ॥

कलि कलवाली कामढ़ मदढ़ मनूआ पीवणहारढ़ ॥

Kal kalvĝlī kĝm maḝ manūĝ pīvaṇhĝr.

The Dark Age of Kali Yuga is the vessel, filled with the wine of sexual desire; the mind is the drunkard.

ਕ੝ਰੋਧ ਕਟੋਰੀ ਮੋਹਿ ਭਰੀ ਪੀਲਾਵਾ ਅਹੰਕਾਰ੝ ॥

कढ़रोध कटोरी मोहि भरी पीलावा अहंकारढ़ ॥

Kroḝẖ katorī mohi bẖarī pīlĝvĝ ahaʼnkĝr.

Anger is the cup, filled with emotional attachment, and egotism is the server.

ਮਜਲਸ ਕੂੜੇ ਲਬ ਕੀ ਪੀ ਪੀ ਹੋਇ ਖ੝ਆਰ੝ ॥

मजलस कूड़े लब की पी पी होइ खढ़आरढ़ ॥

Majlas kūṛė lab kī pī pī hoė kẖuĝr.

Drinking too much in the company of falsehood and greed, one is ruined.

ਕਰਣੀ ਲਾਹਣਿ ਸਤ੝ ਗ੝ੜ੝ ਸਚ੝ ਸਰਾ ਕਰਿ ਸਾਰ੝ ॥

करणी लाहणि सतढ़ गढ़ड़ढ़ सचढ़ सरा करि सारढ़ ॥

Karṇī lĝhaṇ saṯ guṛ sacẖ sarĝ kar sĝr.

So let good deeds be your distillery, and Truth your molasses; in this way, make the most excellent wine of Truth.

ਗ੝ਣ ਮੰਡੇ ਕਰਿ ਸੀਲ੝ ਘਿਉ ਸਰਮ੝ ਮਾਸ੝ ਆਹਾਰ੝ ॥

गढ़ण मंडे करि सीलढ़ घिउ सरमढ़ मासढ़ आहारढ़ ॥

Guṇ mandė kar sīl gẖio saram mĝs ĝhĝr.

Make virtue your bread, good conduct the ghee, and modesty the meat to eat.

ਗ੝ਰਮ੝ਖਿ ਪਾਈਝ ਨਾਨਕਾ ਖਾਧੈ ਜਾਹਿ ਬਿਕਾਰ ॥੧॥

गढ़रमढ़खि पाईझ नानका खाधै जाहि बिकार ॥१॥

Gurmukẖ pĝīai nĝnkĝ kẖĝḝẖai jĝhi bikĝr. ||1||

As Gurmukh, these are obtained, O Nanak; partaking of them, one's sins depart. ||1||

ਮਰਦਾਨਾ ੧ ॥

मरदाना १ ॥

Marḝĝnĝ 1.

Mardaanaa:

ਕਾਇਆ ਲਾਹਣਿ ਆਪ੝ ਮਦ੝ ਮਜਲਸ ਤ੝ਰਿਸਨਾ ਧਾਤ੝ ॥

काइआ लाहणि आपढ़ मदढ़ मजलस तढ़रिसना धातढ़ ॥

Kĝiĝ lĝhaṇ ĝp maḝ majlas ṯarisnĝ ḝẖĝṯ.

The human body is the vat, self-conceit is the wine, and desire is the company of drinking buddies.

ਮਨਸਾ ਕਟੋਰੀ ਕੂੜਿ ਭਰੀ ਪੀਲਾਝ ਜਮਕਾਲ੝ ॥

मनसा कटोरी कूड़ि भरी पीलाझ जमकालढ़ ॥

Mansĝ katorī kūṛ bẖarī pīlĝė jamkĝl.

The cup of the mind's longing is overflowing with falsehood, and the Messenger of Death is the cup-bearer.

ਇਤ੝ ਮਦਿ ਪੀਤੈ ਨਾਨਕਾ ਬਹ੝ਤੇ ਖਟੀਅਹਿ ਬਿਕਾਰ ॥

इतढ़ मदि पीतै नानका बहढ़ते खटीअहि बिकार ॥

Iṯ maḝ pīṯai nĝnkĝ bahuṯė kẖatīah bikĝr.

Drinking in this wine, O Nanak, one takes on countless sins and corruptions.

ਗਿਆਨ੝ ਗ੝ੜ੝ ਸਾਲਾਹ ਮੰਡੇ ਭਉ ਮਾਸ੝ ਆਹਾਰ੝ ॥

गिआनढ़ गढ़ड़ढ़ सालाह मंडे भउ मासढ़ आहारढ़ ॥

Giĝn guṛ sĝlĝh mandė bẖao mĝs ĝhĝr.

So make spiritual wisdom your molasses, the Praise of God your bread, and the Fear of God the meat you eat.

ਨਾਨਕ ਇਹ੝ ਭੋਜਨ੝ ਸਚ੝ ਹੈ ਸਚ੝ ਨਾਮ੝ ਆਧਾਰ੝ ॥੨॥

नानक इहढ़ भोजनढ़ सचढ़ है सचढ़ नामढ़ आधारढ़ ॥२॥

Nĝnak ih bẖojan sacẖ hai sacẖ nĝm ĝḝẖĝr. ||2||

O Nanak, this is the true food; let the True Name be your only Support. ||2||

ਕਾਂਯਾਂ ਲਾਹਣਿ ਆਪ੝ ਮਦ੝ ਅੰਮ੝ਰਿਤ ਤਿਸ ਕੀ ਧਾਰ ॥

कांयां लाहणि आपढ़ मदढ़ अमढ़रित तिस की धार ॥

Kĝʼnyĝʼn lĝhaṇ ĝp maḝ amriṯ ṯis kī ḝẖĝr.

If the human body is the vat, and self-realization is the wine, then a stream of Ambrosial Nectar is produced.

ਸਤਸੰਗਤਿ ਸਿਉ ਮੇਲਾਪ੝ ਹੋਇ ਲਿਵ ਕਟੋਰੀ ਅੰਮ੝ਰਿਤ ਭਰੀ ਪੀ ਪੀ ਕਟਹਿ ਬਿਕਾਰ ॥੩॥

सतसंगति सिउ मेलापढ़ होइ लिव कटोरी अमढ़रित भरी पी पी कटहि बिकार ॥३॥

Saṯsangaṯ sio mėlĝp hoė liv katorī amriṯ bẖarī pī pī kateh bikĝr.

सतसंगति सिउ मेलापु होइ लिव कटोरी अम्रित भरी पी पी कटहि बिकार ॥३॥

Meeting with the Society of the Saints, the cup of the Lord's Love is filled with this Ambrosial Nectar; drinking it in, one's corruptions and sins are wiped away. ||3||

Again Bhai Ji's Bani takes a different part from Islamic teachings. We will have more including the journey to Mecca. However muslim brothers are still free to believe in Guru Nanak as Jagat Guru and apply his teachings about the nature of God in their lives.

WAS BABA NANAK A MUSLIM? PART 2.

1.)Did Guru Ji actually go to Mecca?

Yes he did, and there are many sufi saints who confirm this; especially those who follow Sian Mian Mir. But Sikhs have their own proof, recorded by Bhai Gurdass Ji. Bhai Gurdass was the nephew of the third Guru, Guru Amardass Ji, around this time ithiaas of Guru Nanak Dev Ji was well known and Bhai Sahib was well versed in it.

He used sources from the time to compose his vaar, as follows:

Displaying Vaar 1, Pauri 32 of 49

੩੨ : ਮੱਕੇ ਦੀ ਯਾਤ੍ਰਾ

ਬਾਬਾ ਫਿਰਿ ਮਕੇ ਗਇਆ ਨੀਲ ਬਸਤ੍ਰ ਧਾਰੇ ਬਨਵਾਰੀ।

Baabaa Dhiri Makay Gaiaa Neel Basatr Dhaaray Banavaaree.

बाबा फिरि मੴके गइआ नील बसत्र धारे बनवारी ।

Donning blue attire then Baba Nanak went to Mecca.

1 ਵਾਰਾਂ ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ : ਵਾਰ ੧ ਪਉੜੀ ੩੨ ਪੰ. ੧

ਆਸਾ ਹਥਿ ਕਿਤਾਬ ਕਛਿ ਕੂਜਾ ਬਾਂਗ ਮੁਸਲਾ ਧਾਰੀ।

Aasaa Hadi Kitaab Kachhi Koojaa Baang Mousalaa Dhaaree.

आसा हथि किताब कछि कूजा बांग मुसੴला धारी ।

He held staff in his hand, pressed a book under his armpit, caught hold of a metal pot and mattress.

2 ਵਾਰਾਂ ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ : ਵਾਰ ੧ ਪਉੜੀ ੩੨ ਪੰ. ੨

ਬੈਠਾ ਜਾਇ ਮਸੀਤ ਵਿਚਿ ਜਿਥੈ ਹਾਜੀ ਹਜਿ ਗੁਜਾਰੀ।

Baitdaa Jaai Maseet Vichi Jidai Haajee Haji Gujaaree.

बैठा जाइ मसीत विचि जिथै हाजी हजि गुजारी ।

Now he sat in a mosque where the pilgrms (hajis) had gathered.

3 ਵਾਰਾਂ ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ : ਵਾਰ ੧ ਪਉੜੀ ੩੨ ਪੰ. ੩

ਜਾ ਬਾਬਾ ਸੁਤਾ ਰਾਤਿ ਨੋ ਵਲਿ ਮਹਰਾਬੇ ਪਾਇ ਪਸਾਰੀ।

Jaa Baabaa Soutaa Raati No Vali Maharaabay Paai Pasaaree.

जा बाबा सुता राति नो वलि महराबे पाइ पसारी ।

When Baba (Nanak) slept in the night spreading his legs towards the alcove of mosque at Kaba,

4 ਵਾਰਾਂ ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ : ਵਾਰ ੧ ਪਉੜੀ ੩੨ ਪੰ. ੪

ਜੀਵਣਿ ਮਾਰੀ ਲਤਿ ਦੀ ਕੇਹੜਾ ਸੁਤਾ ਕੁਫਰ ਕੁਫਾਰੀ?

Jeevani Maaree Lati Dee Kayharhaa Soutaa Kudhar Kudhaaree.

जीवणि मारी लति दी केहड़ा सुता कुफर कुफारी ।

The qazi named Jivan kicked him and asked who was this infidel enacting blasphemy.

5 ਵਾਰਾਂ ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ : ਵਾਰ ੧ ਪਉੜੀ ੩੨ ਪੰ. ੫

ਲਤਾ ਵਲਿ ਖੁਦਾਇਦੇ ਕਿਉ ਕਰਿ ਪਇਆ ਹੋਇ ਬਜਿਗਾਰੀ।

Lataa Vali Khudaai Day Kiu Kari Paiaa Hoi Bajigaaree.

लता वलि खुदाइ दे किउ करि पइआ होइ बजिगारी ।

Why this sinner is sleeping his legs spread towards God, Khuda.

6 ਵਾਰਾਂ ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ : ਵਾਰ ੧ ਪਉੜੀ ੩੨ ਪੰ. ੬

ਹੋਇ ਹੈਰਾਨੁ ਕਰੇਨਿ ਜੁਹਾਰੀ ॥੩੨॥

Hoi Hairaanu Karayni Juhaaree ॥32॥

होइ हैरानु करेनि जुहारी ॥३२॥

All got surprised and they all bowed.

8 ਵਾਰਾਂ ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ : ਵਾਰ ੧ ਪਉੜੀ ੩੨ ਪੰ. ੮

(We will put up the entire Vaar soon but let us now stick to the discussion at hand).

It is often said when Guru Ji went to Mecca he carried a blue robe with Koranic verses on it. When Guru Ji went on his travels, he would stay away from home and not come back for long periods. In theses periods clothing he carried would be gifts given to him, henceforth the robe. Now if Guru Ji was muslim he would have passed the robe onto the next Guru but no, he gave it away.

2.) But wouldn't the Koranic verses indicate Guru Ji was muslim irregardless of what he did with the robe?

Surely there must be more to being a muslim then having a Koran or a cloth with Koranic verses? Today libraries and many theologians have Korans but does that make them muslim? Already we have discussed yesterday how Baba Nanak did not use Koran as basis of his teachings, even though he respected the Koran he did not believe in it's teachings. There is a world of difference between respecting and believing.

3.) What about Guru Ji's dress? Wasn't he wearing a turban?

As demonstrated in the above vaar Guru Ji wore blue, the turban however is article of cloth spread throughout the east. And not all muslims wear it, many Hindus also wore a turban back then. Guru Nanak Dev however had a distinct style one in which his jura would show. At this time Mecca was a desert city, so it is more than likely a large amount of the population would have worn Keffiyahs.

4.) If Guru Nanak Dev Ji was a non-muslim then how did he gain entry into Mecca? Non-muslims are not allowed in.

From circa700 A.D. to 1803 A.D. Mecca was under Caliphs linked to the Turkish Ottoman empire. They allowed non-muslims free access to Mecca because it was a desert city and a good trading location and also because they, the Caliphs, believed that non-muslims would see Mecca and become Muslims. So Guru Nanak Dev Ji easily got into Mecca. It was only after Mecca was in the hands of the Wahabbis, Saudi Arabai. in the 1900's that strict non-muslim laws

were forced.

5.) Did Guru Ji do Hajj?

An important and basic factor of Hajj is to go to Mina, and then to Mount Arafat the next day. There is no indication that Guru Ji ever did this.

If Guru Ji was muslim then he would definitely have gone to Mina, as Hajj is the 5th pillar of Islam. Another important factor regarding Mecca is that no Guru after Guru Ji went to Mecca, nor did Guru Ji ever advocate to the Sikhs or any other Gurus to go to Mecca. This is what he said:

6.) What are the Guru's beliefs on Pilgrimages etc?

I do not make pilgrimages to Mecca, nor do I worship at Hindu sacred shrines. I serve the One Lord, and not any other. ||2||

I do not perform Hindu worship services, nor do I offer the Muslim prayers. I have taken the One Formless Lord into my heart; I humbly worship Him there. ||3|| (Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Ang 1136)

7.) Guru Nanak Dev Ji only went to Mecca didn't he?

No he also went to Hindu and Buddhist places of worship as well, and now there is proof of evangelical places and places of other primitive belief's centre of worship. Now if he was a muslim this would have been forbidden to him.

Heres another interesting point that Guru Ji also slept with his feet pointing towards Kabba. If he was a true muslim why would he do this?

8.) What was the book that Guru Nanak Dev Ji was carrying with him? When the qazis and mullahs had fallen at Guru Ji's feet they asked him to tell them something from his book. Now if this book was the Koran why would they ask in the first place? As they too would have had Korans. And why would they call it just a "book." Why not Koran?

9.) What was the Guru's reply to who was better Hindu or muslim?

Guru Ji replied without good deeds, actions both are invaild in the house of God religion-wise. Now if he was muslim he would have said a muslim is better, not a Hindu.

10.) Proof of Guru Ji's rejecting of Koranic teachings?

This was in Bagdhad, Iraq. Pir Dastagir told Guru Ji that the Koran said that there were seven heavens and hells. Guru Ji however writes in Japji Sahib:

"Patala Patal Lakh. Agasa Agas."

There are 100,000s of heavens, hells and dimensions. Again another different ideology from Islam.

[13Mirch]

You also seem to be indirectly criticizing Islam. I suggest u find out more about the faith u have chosen to believe in and than comment on other faiths. Islam isn't the first nor the last religion to place emphasis on oneness of God. Before Islam there was Christianity and before Christianity there was the vedic form of Hinduism. Of course u can easily dismiss what I have posted above as "falsefied facts" but that seems to be the excuse everyone carries today if their demands and needs are not met.

[13Mirch]

And please do not consider Sikhi as an offshoot of Islam and Hindusim. More greater debators than u have fallen on this forum while believing in that myth.

You cannot deny that the practical side of Islam was first carried out by Prophet Muhammad himself and the his followers copied him. I mean doing Hajj etc.

[13Mirch]

And how did Islam come in between Jesus and Guru Nanak Dev Ji?

[curioustoknow]

He only went to the masjid to demonstrate just that, pray with ur heart. Other wise he rejected many Islamic concepts. How can he be an Islamic prophet when Islam believes Prophet Muhammad to be the last prophet sent by God? And God is one but it's our approach to him that is different. Guru sahib rejected the Islamic as well as the other approaches prevalent in other religions of his time.

IMO he dd not reject Islam, he said "There is no Islam" basically the barriers that cause hatred and discriminatiuon need to be broken down to be able to see the entirety of the truth. Once we get into a certain comfort zone, humans tend to push all others away. And isn't it the turth that to grow and become stronger we cannot ever get comfortable?

Even in a physical sense, if we are wanting to enhance our bodies physically and we stay with the same fitness routine, eventually the toning stops because we get into a comfortable state, it's the change that makes us stronger, the acceptance of new routines and ideas.

And to be honest, many Islamic concepts should be scrutinized and rejected as not all concepts came for any one person. Otherwise we'd all be drinking camel pee. Don't let some Muslims fool you into thinking that everything the prophet (PBUH) said was for everyone, there's a time, a place, and a person for every situation. and thats why a lot of Prophet Muhammad's teachings seem to contradict each other.

And I am not by any means saying that what Prophet Muhammad said was not right or ture, but just not everything he said was for everyone

[curioustoknow]

And please do not consider Sikhi as an offshoot of Islam and Hindusim. More greater debators than u have fallen on this forum while believing in that myth.

You cannot deny that the practical side of Islam was first carried out by Prophet Muhammad himself and the his followers copied him. I mean doing Hajj etc.

Please don't think I believe that because I don't. Others say the same thing about Islam being an offshoot of Judaism and Christianity...I'm not at all saying that, I'm saying that the messages were so similar because they came from the same source...God does not change, people change and thats why we have to have constant reminders of the truth

[chatanga]

Maybe just maybe Guru Nanaak was sent from God as a reminder of what came hundreds of years earlier because the people had already began to stray and twist and mix the message that Prophet Muhammad had come with.

Dear ctk

the message/life of the Prophet is uncomparable to Guru Nanak Dev Ji. Why are there so many allegations against the Prophet from all quarters of the world, yet whoever reads about Guru Nanak Dev Ji cannot find one fault with his life/character/teachings?

Why is it that every religion claims that Guru Nanak DEv ji was theirs? Hindus, muslims, buddhists, all claim that Guru Sahib is one of theirs. This is because of His greatness, but does the prophet receive any of this from the kafirs?

There is absolutely no way that Guru Nanak Dev Ji came to earth to remind everyone of what the prophet said centuries earlier.

[Sherdil]

It had nothing to do with magic...water had magnetic qualities and it had been proven that without the magnetic pull of the Mon and the movement of water life would be non existent. Magic is a backward word...magic is science that wet haven't figured out yet

Well, the moon pulls on water because of gravity. It's not magnetism.

The tides get larger when the moon is out, because the force of gravity is pulling stronger. Since water is a liquid, it is more easily swayed, than solids.

[Sherdil]

What I am saying its that maybe he did not, but the same God came to him as came to all the other prophets. In Islam, it is said that there were 160,000 prophets sent to all nations and people. We do not know who those prophets were because prophet Muhammad was the last.

Maybe just maybe Guru Nanaak was sent from God as a reminder of what came hundreds of years earlier because the people had already began to stray and twist and mix the message that Prophet Muhammad had come with.

This does not mean he did this himself.

I get this reasoning from the instance when Guru Nanaak was asked to pray at the local masjid and he agreed but he did not pray because the people were not focused on worship, they were focused on other things

Guru Nanak's message is not the same as Muhammad's.

Abrahamic faiths seek to change the outer world, where as the Dharmic faiths look to cultivate the inner self to attain peace.

I am not aware of the Masjid story. Perhaps you could provide a source to help me remember.

[curioustoknow]

Guru Nanak's message is not the same as Muhammad's.

Abrahamic faiths seek to change to outer world, where as the Dharmic faiths look to cultivate the inner self to attain peace.

I am not aware of the Masjid story. Perhaps you could provide a source to help me remember.

oh gosh I don't know what to quote the story had been in every Guru Nanaak documentary or commentary I have seen or read.

Here is what I'm trying to say

1. I'm not debating Islam with you guys okay?I say this because I know when people think of Islam they immediately think of the religion that people claim is Islam today...this is n

2. Take secularized religion out of you're mind and focus on how God wants us to act this is the true religion, the ancient religion...and I wouldn't even classify it as religion, but way of life...but what is that? How does God want us to act? And who do we ltrust to portray that message to us...this is the basic question. This is the true Islam (submission to the one God)

3. So hopefully you have taken out all of the elements you consider to be Islam and are looking at a very basic theology. This is what I want to know...how do you explain to me the ideology of sikhism?

Remember, no prophet Muhammad, no sunnah, no quran, no Bible, no prior religious affiliation...no debate

Explain to me sikhism