Mahima Of Wahiguru, His Nam & His Gurmukhs ....

[harsharan000]

(809-17)

bilaaval mehlaa 5.

Bilaaval, Fifth Mehl:

The Vaak is: mahimaa saaDhoo sang kee, sunhu mayray meetaa.

This Sabad is not saying "mahimaa Wahiguru kee, sunhu mayray meetaa."

Balbir Singh

Dear Balbir Singh Jee,

Though the words play a very important role, but it is the meaning behind them, which counts more. As I said, when I chose the title of this thread, it was not because, I saw any Vaak as such, neither it was my intention.

My intention was just to bring forth the Mahima, the greatness, of the Holy Trinity of the topic of this thread, which constitutes the only beauty and reality.

As apart from them, all is "koorr". Just as, the liquid water, the vapour, and the ice, are different in aspects, but are the same in essence, so is Wahiguru, His Nam and His Gurmukhs.....

So if the Vaak, the title, is of Sadhoo sang kee .... is mentioning a Sadhoo, a Gurmukh; is the Bani not talking of the same level of consciousness?

Is that Sadhoo a ordinary human being of whom the Bani talks about?

No.

The Bani is talking about that Sadhoo, that Gurmukh, who is one with Wahiguru Akal Purukh. It is we people who use words or languages to express ourselves. Actually Wahiguru is a consciouss power, a highest level of consciousness.... Wahiguru by Himself is not a word in any language, but a reality beyond all perceptions...

The Bani says: Nanak, Sadh, Prabh, bhed na bhaee. From Nam or Shabad, Wahiguru came out, and from Wahiguru, the Guru Sahibans, His Bhagats, His Sant Jan, came .... so in the end, is it not the same thing?

Because again by His Nam or Shabad, they return back to Him, and merge in Him becoming Him, becoming that Nam or Shabad.

They may appear to us, different, from different points of views, in different dimensions, but the power within them, is the same, which is of Nam or Shabad ...so in the end it is the same thing.

Hope I have not complicated things, but believe me, such is the wonderous Bani of our Guru Sahibans.

Waheguru Jee.

[Balbir Singh]

Sat Sri Akaal,
harsharan000 jee,

You wrote "The Bani is talking about that Sadhoo, that Gurmukh, who is one with Wahiguru Akal Purukh."
Please provide one reference from SGGS jee where Gurdev says that Sadhoo is a Gurmukh.
I will be thankful.

Balbir Singh

[harsharan000]

Sat Sree Akal Balbir Jee,

it is a pleasure referring to the Bani, but it would be appreciated, if a little bit of trust is given to this das, otherwise if everything written has to be given proof, then we could never end.

Not much, but a little trust is important. Neither you know me, nor do I to you. But healthy minimum trust is necessary. We are not perfect, we are all here to help each other. Each and everyone as it it is, at least I do not ask much, I trust, except when it sounds fishy...

Though I have written a reference above from the SGGS of what you are asking...it is a quotation of Guru Arjun Dev Maharaj from Sukhmani Sahib, where He says:

ਨਾਨਕ ਸਾਧ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਭੇਦੁ ਨ ਭਾਈ

Nanak, Sadh, Prabh, bhed na bhaee.

O Nanak, there is no difference, between a Sadh(Sadhoo), and the Lord.

Moreover at other place in the same Sukhmani Sahib, He says:

ਨਾਨਕ ਸਾਧ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਬਨਿ ਆਈ

Naanak, Saadhh, Prabhoo Ban Aaee

नानक साध प्रभू बनि आई

O Nanak, the Sadhoo (Holy) are at one with God.

If one goes through the Sukhmani Sahib, there is a whole section, where Guru Maharaj speaks about Sadhoo, and Sadh kee sangat, means the countless benefits, which one derives by being in their their company.

Satisfied, bhai Balbir Jee?

Sat Sree Akal,

Waheguru Jee.

[Balbir Singh]

Sat Sree Akaal,

harsharan000 jee,

Thanks for the beautiful references from Sukhmanee Saahib.

These holy Vaaks from Gurdev are not saying that a Sadhoo is a Gurmukh as you wrote.

Perhaps it was good that I did not start believing you instead The Satgur.

Balbir Singh

[harsharan000]

Dear Balbir Jee,

Some people are very much in twisting things and like to put you down, but it does not matter, patience is the best remedy to face those sitautions.

If you say you can not trust me, but then can you say, that you can trust and believe yourself?

I think you can not, and should not. And let me proove it to you, because I am going to do that, that you can not. You want to proove me wrong, which I am not, even if thousands of Balbir like you come and tell me the same. But yes, you are totally and deliberately wrong.

I am saying that, that Sadhoo and Gurmukh are one with Akal Purukh, That is it. I am not saying, a Sadhoo is a Gurmukh.

And you say, that I say:provide one reference from SGGS jee where Gurdev says that Sadhoo is a Gurmukh

Again you say: These holy Vaaks from Gurdev are not saying that a Sadhoo is a Gurmukh as you wrote.

You have totally changed my words, there is no similartity in them at all, in what I originally say, and the way you write it, and then too, you say I am not to be trusted or believed?

Who is here making faults and not recognizing them time after time? Obviously you.

There is a saying:to make mistakes is human, but to recognize and accept them, makes one divine. But if after making mistakes, one does not recognize or accept them, that is hankar, that is arrogance, that is pride. And to trouble someone just for the sake of one´s own arrogance, that is a sin.

May Wahiguru bless you, with peace and clarity!

[Balbir Singh]

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal,

Dear all and harsharan000 jee,

Please remain with the topic. Thanks.

Gurdev, in my view, is singing that HIS Mahima cannot be described.

mahimaa tis kee kahaRu na jaae. Ang 97

also

tis kee mahimaa kaun bakhaanao. Sukhmanee Ang 286

And harsharan000 jee, you are writing long posts on Mahimaa of Wahiguru.

The true Gurus never used the words, 'mahimaa' and 'wahiguru' together. Why?

Balbir Singh

[harsharan000]

It is a pity,that the Bani, instead of making us mature and broadminded, can not effect as such on us, because we are rigidly closed minded with our own agyanta, which we do not want to leave and come out of it.

So naturally we are to be blammed, not the Bani. Then too we are so petty minded, we use the name of the Bani as our shield to cover our weaknesses, our own insecurities, so how can we ever overcome them?

Then if we see someone waliking confidently, within the parameters of the Bani and sound logic, we feel mentally perturbed, we can not witsthand seeing someone independant, without the restrictions we have put on ourselves. Then too, we foolishly, name the Bani and say, it does not say so or so...

The teachings of Gurmat, are to make us balanced and mature, and above all free from agyantta. But we have been so much time in darkness, that we like bats prefer that sweet darkness, than to lit the light of Gurmat within us, and to benefit from its purifying Light.

This Light of Gurmat, makes us more human beings, and as said before, free us slowly and slowly from all our bondages and agyanta and moorakhta. But this light, does not come like that, it is lit by putting into practice the teachings of our Guru Sahibans.

So, Balbir Jee, when you throw your false accusations, is that not, not sticking to the topic of this thread ? But when I goodheartedly, try to clarify you, you say, stick to the thread?

Still you do not accept and recognize all the evidences brought forth, demonstrating that your attitude towards me , was not the correct one?

But your intentionally twisting and manipulating words, which I never wrote nor said.

So you are again cunningly trying to divert the attention towards another useless points.

I do not know, what you understand of Mahima? But for any normal person, it is the greatness of someone. And in this case, it is the greatness of Wahiguru, or Satnam, or Akal Purukh.

Nobody can sing properly His Mahima. A little child can not read or write, not even talk properly, but that does not mean, he should stop pronouncing what he hears his parents saying. In our case, our Guru Sahibans are our parents.

And I am not saying anything new of my own, but reciting like a parrot, (like the most of us), what the Guru Sahibans have said and written in the Granth Sahib.

And then too, I am viewed as an wrong doer?

There should be surely something wrong, going in your mind, by thinking so.

The pure paviter Bani, is nothing but ustatee, vadeayee, mahima of Wahiguru, which if heard, it purifies one ears; ir recited, it purifies our polluted mouths, and if written, it purifies our dirty hands, and this Bani, then leads us to the inner true Bani.

So for once and all, mahima is glory, is greatness, of that one Akal Purukh. Guru Maharaj, does not say, do not sing His glory, neither does it say when to eat, or drink or sleep, or talk. Come on man, we should not be that rigid. Our father Wahiguru is not a dictator, He has give us freedom to use it responsibily.

The Bani does not say, do not drive a car, or travel in planes., or many other normal things we do daily...then according to your limited thinking we sholuld not do that even... the Bani does not say also that 2 + 2 is four, but do we because of that, stop with arithmetics?

Come on man, do not be so petty minded and name the Bani for it

The only thing, we should keep in mind, is not trespassing His Hukum, because then we incurr in sins.

We should not feel jealous, neither cheat, nor hurt anyone deliberately or unintentionally. We should, aath paher, keep our mind in His Simran and chintan, so that we may not fall down and be ashamed of our deeds.

If you say my posts are long, what is that?

is that not jealously? is that not your own insecurity? Or even lack of clear thinking?

You can not withstand, someone doing sifat salahee of Sachay Patshah.

Why so much narrow mindedness?

For me, Wahiguru is my true Father, and me being His child, I only want to either talk about Him, or listen about Him, which is nothing, but His Mahima.

Of course, we can never ever sing all His countles virtues, but if we just stick to just a few of His virtues, the rest of the virtues and Kul Malik Sachay Patshah Wahiguru will come and dwell within us.

Virtues which can help us to walk on the path of Guramt are, humility, forgiveness, patience, and above all His Simran

Now do not tell me that, that infinite and big Lord, how can He come and dwell within us?

Because knowing you, as you are, you are capable of doing so, and much more.

Sat Sree Akal.

[Balbir Singh]

harsharan000 jee,

I am still waiting for your answer to my curiosity. The question is this.

The true Gurus never used the words, 'mahimaa' and 'wahiguru' together. Why?

My humble request is "please do not use the word 'we' when you actually want to write 'I' in your posts."

Your topic is "Mahima Of Wahiguru, His Nam & His Gurmukhs ...."

The readers are still at the first part of it.

Should we do some veechaar on His Naam and His Gurmukhs?

Balbir Singh

[harsharan000]

Balbir Jee,

if they did not use those words, it was their choice. What was going in their minds at that time, how can we moorakhs know or understand them, the Ocean of Gyan?

And if they did not use thse words, they did not do anything good or anything bad, neither have they written or stated anywhere, that nobody can use them together.

Or do you have any proof of it?

So what is your trouble with these words? Why are you so frightened to see or hear them? What evil do you see in them?

I have answered your query each and every time very clearly, but if you fail to see the answer, it is not my fault. There must be something bothering you in your mind, which refrains you from seeing, the answer I give and shall always give you.

How can I know what is in your mind, or the type of answer you want to hear from me.

Better, why do not you say what you think the answer should be, maybe this ends all your so created problems...

For the the last time, I repeat to you, Mahima is vadeeayee, is mahanta, is greatness, and in this case I refer to the mahima of Wahiguru alone, which is the Bani of our Guru Sahibans in the Granth Sahib Maharaj.

As simple as that.

So stop complicating things in your mind, by seeing things that do not exist. If after this post, again you dare to provoke me, I will totally ignore you, because it is better to talk to a wall, than to you.

And do not tell me how to write what I want, whenever I think proper to use we, I shall do so, and when I think proper to use I, that shall I do so.

[Balbir Singh]

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal,

Dear all and harsharan000 jee,

Please listen. Gurdev is singing.

hari kee mahimaa kicchu kathanu na jaaee.1.rahaao Ang 1164-6

ਹਰਿ ਕੀ ਮਹਿਮਾ ਕਿਛੁ ਕਥਨੁ ਨ ਜਾਈ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

हरि की महिमा किछु कथनु न जाई ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥

Har kī mahimā kicẖẖ kathan na jā▫ī. ||1|| rahā▫o.

The Lord's Glory cannot even be described. ||1||Pause||

An egotist but feels confident writing long posts on mahimaa of Wahiguru.

You wrote ". . . and in this case I refer to the mahima of Wahiguru alone, which is the Bani of our Guru Sahibans in the Granth Sahib Maharaj."

In my observation Gurdev never said that mahimaa of wahiguru can be expressed through words.

Balbir Singh