Jump to content

What Do Punjab Sikhs Think Of White Converts


Guest Steven Joe
 Share

Recommended Posts

Guest Jacfsing2

I have personally seen and heard racist sikh losers including my own grandmother talk about white people like they are scum- there are indeed many racist punjabi sikhs, that's a given.

Try to understand the different times I would assume either her or someone she knows lost many loved ones during the partition which was probably one of the Greatest genocide caused by community violence, (Punjab was completely different geographically and demographically). That doesn't excuse her for racism today; however, the wounds are most likely permanent.
Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • 3 years later...
Guest From a convert

As a convert, which would seem this thread is without, I will comment even though this is a rather old post. I converted some time ago and have attended Gurdwaras in nearly half of the U.S. States. I am visible. As a white person I am immediately spotted and questioned. But it is always in an effort to be welcoming. And usually out of curiosity. They usually want to know how I found Sikhi and what made me want to become Sikh myself. I usually tell them that it felt as if I had been searching for it my whole life, and finding it felt like home to me. Never once have I felt judged for being a convert. In fact, I am often asked to speak at events about why I converted and once a Sikh man told me he thought it made me specifically Sikh to have chosen a life he had took for granted. So yes, go to the Gurdwara if you haven't already. It is a wonderful place. There is a good deal of cultural crossover where you may notice topics like "homosexuality" or "tattoos" or "meat" come up, where people use their cultural experiences to make decisions about their faith expectations. Ultimately, Sikhism is about your own relationship with God. 

 

I will add that as a white person in America, I do make sure that when I am visibly Sikh, whether that is wearing a turban in public or speaking at a Sikh event, that I am very careful to use my white privilege to lift up the religion and not to take the spotlight from Indian Sikhs. I can read all the books about what it is like to be a person of color or to be from the Punjab that saw so much bloodshed and was ripped in half, but that is not my history no matter how connected I feel to it. And I will always have the privilege of a white American male, so I try to make sure I am constantly conscious of how that affects how I fit in the Sikh world. 

 

As an amusing anecdote to end off with, I am learning Punjabi, which is a huge feat given that I am also deaf. I had gotten to the point of being able to pronounce the letters, even though I did not know what I was saying. And one day I with a bunch of Sikh's who thought it would be fun to have me read the paper. So, I read the same word in several articles and decided that was important enough to ask what it meant....so then, I asked a room full of people what "America" was. In Punjabi, America is pronounced basically the same, America. But I was sounding out the letters so slowly that I didn't realize until I had already asked. Very amusing. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...
 Share


  • advertisement_alt
  • advertisement_alt
  • advertisement_alt


  • Topics

  • Posts

    • Umm, that's totally irrational, bro. There are plenty of prakash-dara Singhs in Punjab (less than we'd like, but still plenty). No one cares that you are sabat soorat. It isn't 1986. You can walk around in chola, kurta-pajama, or jeans. Whatever. If you want the look @dallysingh101 is referring to, just go into a cheap clothing shop (not a Western-style mall) and buy some shirts for 250 rupees or a track suit for 2000 rupees. You'll get the cheap stuff made in some sweatshop in Bombay.
    • The Mind is Jyot Saroop (Waheguru), but the mind is under the influence of five evils… Through Naam Simran( Rememberance), the mind will begin to detach from evil, and get back to its original form ( MANN TU JYOT SAROOP HEH)… Until the mind breaks free from the five evils, one will go through the cycle of paap and punn….which leads to Karma… Naam Simran destroys past karma, and prevents new karma coming into fruition… I did this, I did that… This non realisation of the Jyot Saroop gives rise to paap and Punn, which in turn gives birth to suffering and misery…
    • I agree we're not born with sin like the Christians think. Also I agree we have effects of karma. But Gurbani does state that the body contains both sin and charity (goodness): ਕਾਇਆ ਅੰਦਰਿ ਪਾਪੁ ਪੁੰਨੁ ਦੁਇ ਭਾਈ ॥ Within the body are the two brothers sin and virtue. p126 Actually, we do need to be saved. Gurbani calls this "udhaar" (uplift). Without Satguru, souls are liable to spiritual death: ਜਿਨਾ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਪੁਰਖੁ ਨ ਭੇਟਿਓ ਸੇ ਭਾਗਹੀਣ ਵਸਿ ਕਾਲ ॥ p40 Those who have not met Satguru Purakh are unfortunate and liable to death. So, yeah, we do need to be saved, and Guru ji does the saving. The reason Satguru is the one to save is because God has given Satguru the "key" (kunji): ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਹਥਿ ਕੁੰਜੀ ਹੋਰਤੁ ਦਰੁ ਖੁਲੈ ਨਾਹੀ ਗੁਰੁ ਪੂਰੈ ਭਾਗਿ ਮਿਲਾਵਣਿਆ ॥੭॥ In the True Guru's hand is the key. None else can open the door. By perfect good fortune the Guru is met. p124
    • That's unfortunate to hear. Could you give any more information? Who was this "baba"? He just disappeared with people's money? Obviously, you should donate your money to known institutions or poor people that you can verify the need of through friends and family in Punjab.
    • Sangat ji,  I know a family who went Sevewal to do seva sometimes end of 2019. They returned last year in great dismay and heart broken.  To repent for their mistakes they approached panj pyaare. The Panj gave them their punishment / order to how t make it up which, with Kirpa, they fulfilled.  They were listening to a fake Baba who, in the end, took all the "Donations " and fled sometime over a year ago. For nearly 4 years this family (who are great Gursikhs once u get to know them) wasted time and effort for this fake Baba. NOT ONLY this one fam. But many, many did worldwide and they took their fam to do seva, in village Sevewal, city Jaitho in Punjab. In the end many families lost money in thousands being behind this Baba. The family, on return, had to get in touch with all the participants and told them to stop.  I am stating this here to create awareness and we need to learn from whom we follow and believe. It's no easy but if we follow the 3 S (Sangat, Simran and Seva) we will be shown the light. As I am writing this the family in question have been doing the same since 2008 onwards and they fell for this Baba... it is unbelievable and shocking.  This am writing in a nutshell as am at work on my break so not lengthy but it deserves a great length.  Especially the family in question, who shed light on youngsters about Sikhi 20 plus years!! 
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

Terms of Use