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Let's say. I'm a good-hearted person who is... Christian. Not a Bible-banger, but a run of the mill average Christian man of middle socio-economic status, or an average man who is not a Sikh. I do charity, good deeds, et cetera. I have a wife and kids and I do my best to raise them. I contribute to society the best I can and have a fear of God, in the truest sense, fearing that God does not like bad deeds. Am I a Manmukh, or a Gurmukh? 
part 2: Why does a man need to keep his hair fully untrimmed, yet is encouraged to trim his nails, which, by definition of keeping with Nature's law, is an example of "God's perfection in his creation"? What marks the difference in hair, and nails? And finally, why are women encouraged, at the highest point of Sikh theology (I.e. Khalsa Amritshak Sikh of the Guru) to become recluse to the world? If they have upper lip hair, or even, God forbid, beard hair... what average man, or even Sikh man of any level of Gurmukhness (apologies for the made-up word but I mean to convey level of Sikh spiritual state), what man would like to have physical relations with a woman who looks, well... like the male of the species. Naturally, men are attracted to femininity as it is opposite to a man's natural look (growing beard hair easily, naturally and encouraged to look like an adult). So where does this leave the poor Sikh female who may have a problem of growing beard hair or moustache hair, who is following the Rehat Maryada of the Khalsa which means she cannot pluck or trim the hair? Is that not equivalent to a "Sanyasi" man leaving his hair in knots and not showering? It looks unclean to a man's eyes, naturally.

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1.You would be neither a manmukh or gurmukh. A gurmukh being someone who follows the Guru. Just like there is Gurmat, Manmat, and Aanmat ( others mat/teachings). 

Perhaps u could be a manmukh because u used ur mann ie mind to decide to follow christianity. But thats farfetched. 

2. There is a line on our nails. Telling us we can cut up to that point.

The hair thing. Would u rather follow fickle society? One day beards r in, another day shaved heads, long hair for men,  now eyebrows must be shaped too for men as well. Or the Guru?  Also does anyone know scientifically why we have long hair on our head? Why men have beards? Without knowing we r messing with our bodys physiology. Like those ppl, who now say deodrant and make up has harmful chemicals, shaving is more likely to give u ingrown hair and who knows what other problems. 

About women. Do you know there are budhhist monks who r women. And they shave their heads too? They arent worried that ppl think they will lose their femininity. As an amritdhari, one shoukd aim to live a householder-monk lifestyle. So shouldn't really care abt what ppl say. And having a different outer appearance makes it easy to stand out from the world. And reminds one to stay detached and not to act like the materialistic world. And i have seen women married with hair on their chins etc. And these women have kids too so...plus instead of getting rid of the hair, the women should find out why it happened. It is usually a sign of hormone imbalance or other health problems. 

 

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On 2/19/2020 at 1:34 AM, Guest CuriousReader said:

Let's say. I'm a good-hearted person who is... Christian. Not a Bible-banger, but a run of the mill average Christian man of middle socio-economic status, or an average man who is not a Sikh. I do charity, good deeds, et cetera. I have a wife and kids and I do my best to raise them. I contribute to society the best I can and have a fear of God, in the truest sense, fearing that God does not like bad deeds. Am I a Manmukh, or a Gurmukh? 
part 2: Why does a man need to keep his hair fully untrimmed, yet is encouraged to trim his nails, which, by definition of keeping with Nature's law, is an example of "God's perfection in his creation"? What marks the difference in hair, and nails? And finally, why are women encouraged, at the highest point of Sikh theology (I.e. Khalsa Amritshak Sikh of the Guru) to become recluse to the world? If they have upper lip hair, or even, God forbid, beard hair... what average man, or even Sikh man of any level of Gurmukhness (apologies for the made-up word but I mean to convey level of Sikh spiritual state), what man would like to have physical relations with a woman who looks, well... like the male of the species. Naturally, men are attracted to femininity as it is opposite to a man's natural look (growing beard hair easily, naturally and encouraged to look like an adult). So where does this leave the poor Sikh female who may have a problem of growing beard hair or moustache hair, who is following the Rehat Maryada of the Khalsa which means she cannot pluck or trim the hair? Is that not equivalent to a "Sanyasi" man leaving his hair in knots and not showering? It looks unclean to a man's eyes, naturally.

That is all.

Follow your heart and pray that it speaks to Truth. 

 

Dont get it twisted, gurbani teaches us to be Good. 

Much of the wisdom in it has been practiced by devotees throughout the ages, before the Gurus births. 

The wisdom it holds is divine and when applied, can cause one to rise from a human psychology to an immortal one. 

 

 

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