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A young child before going to bed whines for sugar filled cookies. Ask many times to eat the cookies from his mom. The young child mom continues to resist to give in, as she knows the conquences to giving sugar filled cookies. The mother has the explanation to why the young child should not eat the cookies, but the child keeps asking why not. The child hears the explanation over and over and does not want to hear or accept the reason. The young child starts to cry for the cookies and even try's to grab the cookies from the counter. The mother pulls them back and in an authoritative voice tells her young child, they can't have the cookies. The young child continues to cry and eventually screams and yells, but then runs off into their room. At this point for the young child, their mom is the worst person in the world and you hate her to some degree. One way or another many of us, if not all have gone through this. Whether buying candy, toys, or other things that the boss (mom) knows is not good for us. If you think back to these incidents and ask yourself was mom right, not to give the cookies to me? And you would say, yes because you understand now that eating the cookies would have caused problems for you in the future. But as a young child we don't understand why, even though it is explained to us a thousands of times. We might consider ourselves wise now for understanding worldly duties (not to eat cookies before you go to sleep), but what about when it comes to Gurbani? Our knowledge on Gurbani is very low, infact it's just the same as when we were kids and asking for thousands of choclate bars, only to find out later, we get some really bad stomach cramps. When we look at the 52 Hukams of Satguru Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji Maharaj or the Rehat Maryada given to us by the Punj Pyare, we look at it with the eyes of a young child because we don't have the knowledge to know any better. But we question, doubt some Hukams given, and then deny them to the point of not following. How are we any better than the young child we were once, yelling, screaming and kicking for something thats not good for us? The strict Rehat Maryada given to us is not there to hurt us, but once we practice and understand Gurbani deeper, we can understand why certain Hukams we previously questioned, were written and enforced. Just like out of love our moms didn't let us destroy our health. Our Guru out of love has given us instructions, so we can actually feel the love he gives and we can unite with him. If we continue to behave like young children, then eating many chocolate bars only gave us stomach cramps, but think about what the punishment for denying Satguru's Hukams would be? I witnessed something that Amritdhari sisters were doing today. They are well respected in the Sikh community and their actions were against Maharaj Rehat Maryada. It made me think....if such sisters have fallen victim to maya of this high degree, then I'm nothing infront of them and can fall victim to such low levels of maya in a second. After seeing such acts, a strict Rehat has become even more important to me.

I am posting this because I'm so disappointed at how our youth doesn't think twice before using bad language. Some highly abusive words have become a necessary part of each and every sentence coming out of some people's mouths. It is so annoying specially when such filthy words are uttered by someone who looks like a gursikh. When confronted, some people say they don't litterally mean it. I mean, why even say something filthy when you don't mean it? just because you think it is cool? skipping out some filthy words from your regular vocab won't make you uncool!!!!! and... it breaks my heart when i see a sikh saying bad words to another sikh. My humble request to my Gursikh brothers and sisters is to refrain from the use of foul language. gurU kw isK gMd-vwkI nw hovY guroo kaa sikh ga(n)dhaavaakee naa hovai The Sikh of the Guru should never speak disgusting speech. Rehatnama Bhai Chaupaa Singh Jee Sorry if I offended anyone.

A 75 year old man, wielding a double-edged sword weighing 32 pounds, fought an army of tyrants, and as miraculous, unbelievable or superhuman as it may sound, continued to fight even after his head was severed from his body. This was none other than Shaheed Baba Deep Singh Jee, who fulfilled his promise of liberating Sri Darbar Sahib (Golden Temple) from the tyrant Afghan army that had desecrated this House of God. Jan. 26th, 2012 is the 330th birth anniversary of this invincible warrior, who chose to keep his promise and uphold the sanctity and honor of this holiest Sikh shrine at the cost of his life.

Vaheguroo Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguroo Ji Ki Fateh Keeping in line with the rules of the forum. We are re-posting this message and keeping personal identities as gupt as possible but at the same time trying to reach to sangat who may have been effected or involved with a certain amritdhari couple who are based in the midlands around the Sandwell and Dudley area involved in anti-gurmat practises. An investigation is being launched and we aim to provide a gupt service for individuals affected. Were you told by the bibi that she was Mata Bhag Kaur re-incarnated? Were you told that your soul was a famous gursikh from sikh history (Baba Deep Singh, Bhai Kanaiya Ji) in a past life? Your soul has come from a jatha/misl from either Guru Gobind Singh or Maharaja Ranjit Singh’s time? Did the bibi say anything about her dasam duar being open and how she can read thoughts, minds, see into the future, past and present? How people in your family are trying harming you/ are jealous of you? Someone you know is doing black magic? There are spirits in your house? If any of the above applies to you then please get in touch via the following email address. guptsevasach@gmail.com Vaheguroo Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguroo Ji Ki Fateh P.S. Moderators, if this topic becomes a playground for personal attacks, name/shame etc, please delete all irrelevant replies and lock thread and make sticky if possible.

Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh The Annual Barsi of Brahmgiani Baba Santokh Singh Ji (Joti Saroop) Vale will be taking place on 16-18th February. Arambh Sri Akhand Paat Sahib 5pm - 16th Feb Bhog Sri Akhand Paat Sahib 5pm - 18th Feb. Followed by Mahaan Smagam **Amrit Sanchar of 18th at 10am** For more information please watch this space. Baba Santokh Singh Ji was a very gupt mahapurkh who did immense bhagti and continuous seva in langar. They were known as one of the pillars of sirhand and had the utmost nimrata. They were a real Sant and a true sevadaar of Satguru Jis panth.

This is so true. Isn't the reaction to Leno an over exaggeration? Especially when Dhunda said something that was thousand times worse and he is being given gold medals?

FOUL LANGUAGE - READ ON - AND ABSORB - in your life: It is Guru Sahib’s Hukam to stay quiet if speaking would result in a defeat. ਜਿਥੈ ਬੋਲਣਿ ਹਾਰੀਐ ਤਿਥੈ ਚੰਗੀ ਚੁਪ ॥੨॥ A very funny Punjabi folk tale has come to mind. There was once a traveller who arrived at a village on his way. He was very hungry and knocked at a door. An old woman opened the door and he requested her, “O Mayee, I am a traveller and very hungry; could you please cook these rice for me? The good old lady without hesitation welcomed him in and placed his rice in a pateela with water to boil. The traveller had a bad habit of talking too much and when he did not have anything meaningful to say, he talked nonsense. He sat quietly for a short while but the silence was killing him. He started the conversation as follows: “Mayee, I notice that the main door of your house is kind of narrow and your buffalo is quite big. I am wondering, how would you get the dead body of the buffalo out, in case she died.” People who have rural background know that cows and buffaloes are the most prized possessions of people from villages. The old lady was naturally very perturbed and irritatingly replied, “Son say good and don’t speak evil. Why should my buffalo die?” There was some silence for some time and now again the traveller could no longer restrain himself. He asked the old lady, “Mayee, where is your husband? I don’t see him anywhere.” The old lady sadly replied, “son he died a short while ago.” The stupid traveller jokingly said, “it is good that the old man died; otherwise he would have given you hard time” (ਚੰਗਾ ਹੋਇਆ ਕਿ ਬੁੱਢਾ ਮਰ ਗਿਆ। ਜੀਊਂਦਾ ਹੁੰਦਾ ਤਾਂ ਉਸਨੇ ਤੈਨੂੰ ਤੰਗ ਹੀ ਕਰਨਾ ਸੀ।) This traveller said so because he had always seen his father and mother fighting and thought that all couples fought like that. Naturally, the old lady was very disturbed but she kept quiet. With difficulty she controlled her anger. Because of anger, she started stirring rice vigorously but the stupid traveller still did not get the message. After a short while he again asked the old lady, “Mayee, don’t you have any children?” “Of course I do. My son has gone to a far off land on a business trip. He will be coming soon.” ``Mayee, what would happen if your son died in foreign land? What would become of you?” This was too much for the old lady to take. She took hold of the utensil with half cooked rice and poured it in his palla (a piece of cloth like hazooria, around the neck) and ordered him to get out of her house. While he was walking on the street, water from half-cooked rice was dripping down. Someone asked him what was it that was dripping down his palla. The traveller replied saying that it was the Rass of his tongue that he failed to control, that was dripping down. The moral of the story is to speak good and speak after thinking. Gurbani has several references about thinking before speaking. It is Gurbani Hukam to speak good as opposed to speaking bad. ਜਿਥੈ ਜਾਇ ਬਹੀਐ ਭਲਾ ਕਹੀਐ ਝੋਲਿ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤੁ ਪੀਜੈ ॥ Where ever a Gursikh goes, he says only good and by effort he japps Naam and drinks Amrit. ਮੰਦਾ ਕਿਸੈ ਨ ਆਖਿ ਝਗੜਾ ਪਾਵਣਾ ॥ Dont create a conflict by calling anyone bad. In Siri Asa ki Vaar too there is a Hukam that instructs us to not call anyone bad. ਜਿਥੈ ਜਾਇ ਬਹੀਐ ਭਲਾ ਕਹੀਐ ਸੁਰਤਿ ਸਬਦੁ ਲਿਖਾਈਐ ॥ Where ever a Gursikh goes, he says only good and in his Surthee he only writes Shabad i.e. his Surthee stays merged in Shabad. These Hukams instruct us to not indulge ourselves in unnecessary conflicts by speaking rudely or by speaking such words that instigate conflict. This does not mean that a Sikh should be unconcerned about injustice or atrocities and should be quiet about them. Of course a Khalsa would speak up against injustice and would act to stop injustice. The above Hukams are relevant to everyday personal situations that prompt us to become bitter about others and slander others. So long as we don’t stop getting into conflicts, we would not be able to concentrate on Naam. Below is a beautiful Kabit of Bhai Gurdaas jee on this topic: ਜੈਸੇ ਬਾਨ ਧਨੁਖ ਸਹਿਤ ਹ੍ਵੈ ਨਿਜ ਬਸ ਛੂਟਤਿ ਨ ਆਵੈ ਫੁਨ ਜਤਨ ਸੈ ਹਾਥ ਜੀ ॥ ਜੈਸੇ ਬਾਘ ਬੰਧਸਾਲਾ ਬਿਖੈ ਬਾਧ੍ਯੋ ਰਹੈ, ਪੁਨ ਖੁਲੈ ਤੋ ਨ ਆਵੈ ਬਸ , ਬਸਹਿ ਨ ਸਾਥ ਜੀ ॥ ਜੈਸੇ ਦੀਪ ਦਿਪਤ ਨ ਜਾਨੀਐ ਭਵਨ ਬਿਖੈ ਦਾਵਾਨਲ ਭਏ ਨ ਦੁਰਾਏ ਦੁਰੈ ਨਾਥ ਜੀ ॥ ਤੈਸੇ ਮੁਖ ਮਧ ਬਾਣੀ ਬਸਤ ਨ ਕੋਊ ਲਖੈ ਬੋਲੀਐ ਬਿਚਾਰ, ਗੁਰਮਤਿ, ਗੁਨ ਗਾਥ ਜੀ ॥630॥ 1. So long as the arrow is in the bow, it is under control but once it leaves the bow, it no longer stays under control . 2. So long as a tiger is in cage, it is under control but once it leaves the cage it does not stay under control and does not reside in a domestic setting. 3. So long as the lamp (deeva) is in the house, it is not even noticeable from the outside but once this Deepak (lamp) lights a forest and becomes a form of forest fire, it cannot be hidden even if one tries to hide it. 4. So long as our thoughts remain within our mind or mouth, they are fine but once our thoughts come out in form of words, they cant be controlled, so speak after thinking, speak according to Gurmat and speak only good qualities (of others). Giving many examples, Bhai Sahib Gurdaas jee has concluded that a Gursikh should speak after thinking, speak according to Gurmat i.e. speak sweetly and speak such thoughts that bring happiness for the speaker and the listener. A very good verse from Bhagat Kabir jees baani that is not in Siri Guru Granth Sahib jee and this Daas learned in school, goes as follows: ਐਸੀ ਬਾਣੀ ਬੋਲੀਏ, ਮਨ ਕਾ ਆਪਾ ਖੋਏ। ਔਰਨ ਕੋ ਸ਼ੀਤਲ ਕਰੇ, ਆਪੋਂ ਸ਼ੀਤਲ ਹੋਏ। It basically says that we should speak such speech that gives us peace and others peace as well. Does Gurbani promote talking Rudely Some Gursikh advocate speaking rudely based on couple of Pankitis from Gurbani. Presented below are the two pankitis that many individuals quote when justifying their rude speech: 1. ਜੇ ਬਾਹਰਹੁ ਭੁਲਿ ਚੁਕਿ ਬੋਲਦੇ ਭੀ ਖਰੇ ਹਰਿ ਭਾਣੇ ॥ 2. ਜਿਨ੍ ਪਟੁ ਅੰਦਰਿ ਬਾਹਰਿ ਗੁਦੜੁ ਤੇ ਭਲੇ ਸੰਸਾਰਿ ॥ About first pankiti they say that it means that even if Gursikhs speak rudely, still they are acceptable to Vaheguru. Second pankiti is interpreted as ones who are like silk from inside and like rough cotton from outside, are good people in this world i.e. ones who are sweet from inside and are rude from outside are good. Now let`s do Vichaar of these Pankitis in the light of Gurmat: ਜੇ ਬਾਹਰਹੁ ਭੁਲਿ ਚੁਕਿ ਬੋਲਦੇ ਭੀ ਖਰੇ ਹਰਿ ਭਾਣੇ ॥ The idea behind this Pankiti is that only Vaheguru and Guru Sahib are perfect. The Gurmukhs who have love from Naam, are very wise individuals but even if they unwittingly make a mistake while speaking, they are still acceptable to Vaheguru. Speaking Bhul Chuk should not be interpreted as speaking rudely. To speak rudely, one has to have some Krodh or Haume and these are the Vikaars that Gursikhs of high level don`t possess. ਜਿਨ੍ ਪਟੁ ਅੰਦਰਿ ਬਾਹਰਿ ਗੁਦੜੁ ਤੇ ਭਲੇ ਸੰਸਾਰਿ ॥ Being silk from inside and rough cotton from outside does not mean to be sweet from inside and rude from outside. Silk represents riches and rough cotton represents simplicity. This Pankiti actually means that Gurmukhs are rich (kings) from inside but outwardly they stay simple. A Gursikh is wise from inside but acts Bhola from outside. A Gursikh is strong from inside but acts humble from outside. This is what this pankiti actually means as opposed to being rude from outside and sweet from inside. Gursikhs are sweeter than honey and they follow the Guru`s Hukam of sweet and good talk. May we always speak according to Gurmat.

Why, pray tell, are women not allowed to do Paath? I always thought that, you know, Starting with Guru Nanak that men and women were equal. But since you personally disagree with this, I guess they were wrong and you are right. Good job.

But ever business has the right to refuse entry, why risk it. Your not gonna go to alton towers with your solicitor? so simple thing would be is to keep your shaster gupt. How many of us will take companies to court because they were rufued entry ? What will the papers gonna read Sikh man wins case to carry "DAGGER". Simple solution is to keep it Gupt

Don't be quick to label all 3HO and SikhNet members as "white" Sikhs because it is so disrespectful. Guru Nanak Dev Jee would be so upset to hear Sikhs labelling others by the colour of their skin. There are many "white" skinned Sikhs who didn't come into Sikhi through 3HO and what not, so don't disrespect them in such a way.

Karta Singh Khalsa is a sikh of moroccan/arabic speaking background. He has an ashram in south france, where there possibly may be a number of other franch sikhs of moroccan descent. But if anyone would like to offer the sikh way of life to arabs, france may be the most suitable place initially. Tunisia may also be suitable, and potentially in egypt amongst coptic/arab christians. Thats just my two cents.

Well all i really wanted to do was to read SGGSJ in english. I have access to it virtual so i thought it was be a good idea. Thanks for your input

A very close friend has been involved with a COUPLE who may be the same as these deceitful people. I'd like to share what I know so that all the saadhsangat are aware of how messed up these people are: My friend who had a very lucky escape was told by the female that the female was mai Bhago,that she was also Mian Meer and that she (my friend) must stay away from me (her best friend) because I am apparently envious of her..I realised that this was just to break her from anyone who may question the couples activities. My friend was also introduced to a guy who was meant to be her destined partner but the lady changed her mind later when she saw that my friend and the guy were very happy together and she was no longer the centre of attention. She told my friend to break ties with her family members and was told that her brothers in-laws had done black magic on him to control him..would mai Bhago really tell people this kind of stuff?NO! So basically she is just an attention seeking lowlife who is digging her own grave. She also told my friend that she speaks to Yogi who tells her things and that she is the leader of one of the misels and is back to help the world. All I've heard about her is how she has split families up including sons and daughters from their parents and husbands from their wives as well as broken innocent peoples rishte as she thinks guru gobind singh ji tells her to pass on the message that two people are no longer suitable for each other. Total nonsense..worst of all she manages to break two people away in such a way that they would never even cross each others path again due to the fear of doing so that she implants These kind of people are playing mind games in the name of religion and have a very heavy price to pay for it. It may be a different couple that I'm talking about but they are also from the midlands area so maybe it's just a very unfortunate place that is home to such messed up people. Their baana is deceiving so I just urge the Sangat to not be fooled by white baana and huge dumalas. such an eg of: 'chite Jin ke kapre, maile chit kathore jio'

We are not hesitant, in the original post we had specified the names but this is deemed as personal and until the investigation is complete, we cannot disclose that information, but rest assured that once that investigation proves their guilt, which it will, everything about this couple will be exposed.. In the meanwhile please contact us if you, or someone you know has been affected by this... guptsevasach@gmail.com

Such people have no nitnem of their own and have no sharam that such mukt souls had immense kamaiee behind them..it's gone on for too long already now and they need to stop their nonsense preaching.the panth cannot sit back and tolerate it

VJKK VJKF! i am disgraced at such actions as how can one call them self Baba Deep Singh who had a nitnem beyond what any of us today can imagine. Such a mahaan shaheeds aatma back on earth...someone will have a lot to answer for! And calling yourself mata Bhaag Kaur ji....what gives anyone this right?!NOTHING! If a heavenly soul did get sent to earth, they wouldnt be revealing themselves to the world as the couple mentionned..as these souls remain gupt and do what vaheguru sends them down to do....no true such soul brags they are such...this is just a sign of haumai and ego and serious lack of respect for our sikh history! Guru ji will bring the truth out. I will email details on the email address given...thankyou for starting this thread.

thanks sangath jeee.. i got kamarkassa&gathra in the end.... the little sengh looked amazing....guruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu kirpaaa.. vaheguruuuu