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*edit* A little too harsh of a comment. Not productive.

Do your work to the best of your ability and dedicate it to God. Then your work becomes prayer, and brings you closer to God. Sikhi does not teach abandoning the world, but staying pure in the midst of it. Becoming a good programmer helps you fulfill your obligations to your family, parents, coworkers, boss, etc. and is a holy and good thing to do. Do you want a surgeon who does bani all day and then kills you out of his incompetence or a surgeon who does nitnem, and remembering his duty works very hard to become the best surgeon he can and saves you? Who do you think is more pleasing to God?

Whats your education level and profession? You can PM me if you want. I have a friend (jatt sikh) who is looking, but she wants a guy in her same education/income range.

Moral relativism is destroying the west. The decline of christianity is a symptom of this. Ratzinger (Pope) knows this and has written extensively on it... but when a culture decides to destroy itself what can be done?

Shes a fraud. Its a parlor trick.

Damn impressive.

Thanks!

Thanks for replies. Learning from my wife is hard, she just tells me words.... but grammar, etc. I need to learn systematically. I am finding a complete lack of language software/books for punjabi. She tries to teach me hindi/punjabi by watching those damn bollywood films... but I just space out. I think punjabi school is kind of centered on kids that already speak the basic punjabi from living at home. I really just want to learn it because the sermons are always in punjabi, an I just about fall asleep if the granthi gets long winded. I think that Colloguial punjabi is what I am looking for, thanks!

but how? No Rosetta stone, etc. ideas?

Diet and rest Eat more and sleep more

using whey?

The whole Joot thing makes absolutely no sense to me. It seems like one of those things where hindu thought has crept into sikh thought....

Thanks guys. I took a hukamnama because I was thinking of having a drink (I havent drank for like 2 months now) and that was the first verse that came up. Kind of freaked me out so I was curious what that word meant, and wanted to verify that the word poison made sense in the translation. Needless to say I did not have that drink. :-)

isrIrwgu mhlw 3 ] sireeraag mehalaa 3 || Siree Raag, Third Mehla: AMimRqu Coif ibiKAw loBwxy syvw krih ivfwxI ] a(n)mrith shhodd bikhiaa lobhaanae saevaa karehi viddaanee || Discarding the Ambrosial Nectar, they greedily grab the poison; they serve others, instead of the Lord. Awpxw Drmu gvwvih bUJih nwhI Anidnu duiK ivhwxI ] aapanaa dhharam gavaavehi boojhehi naahee anadhin dhukh vihaanee || They lose their faith, they have no understanding; night and day, they suffer in pain. mnmuK AMD n cyqhI fUib muey ibnu pwxI ]1] manamukh a(n)dhh n chaethehee ddoob mueae bin paanee ||1|| The blind, self-willed manmukhs do not even think of the Lord; they are drowned to death without water. ||1|| mn ry sdw Bjhu hir srxweI ] man rae sadhaa bhajahu har saranaaee || O mind, vibrate and meditate forever on the Lord; seek the Protection of His Sanctuary.

As long as you did not give them permanent damage you are ok. I think your feeling guilty because you took it too far. If you train in martial arts you know how far you can take it without permanently damaging someone. If your rage took over you could have seriously hurt someone, and knowing that can be pretty scary. That fact that you feel bad says a lot about you, and I am sure it will make your more reticent to do this in the future. A good <banned word filter activated> beating could be a blessing for this guy, cause maybe he will reflect on how his big mouth got him beat down. Forget about it, learn from it, and move on.

Believing in false things and being a pathetic people are two different things. I think christianity may have taken in rituals/stories from many religions, but that does not make those who believe it a pathetic people. Ever met any mormons? They believe even crazier things, but they are some of the best people you have ever met.

My God this thread has degenerated. Christianity is a pathetic religion for a pathetic people? God made them, and God loves them... but you feel justified in speaking like this? Please bro, take a deep breath and think about what you say.

No, I agree defense of religion is absolutely legitimate. I firmly believe that anyone that seeks God, God will help him regardless of religion. If debating brings you peace, then by all means. I think that being able to answer the doubts that missionaries cause is a legitimate goal.

God bless him and his family.

Fundamentalist Christians and Muslims like waste vast amounts of their life memorizing their religious text and creating all kinds of arguments about them because they believe that they are the literal word of God. So when they argue they like to do so assuming that sikhs view their holy book in the same way. If you try to argue with them about it at that level you are already changing the tenets of your religion to match the type of argument they are trying to make. Guru Granth, IMHO, is not some literal word of God like the muslims say the quran is. It is a compilation of many authors who found and loved God and wrote poetry/guidance about him. Its not a science book, history book, but a teacher to help us find God. How can you really argue against it? Have you seen those answering islam, answering christianty websites? They are filled with people who literally waste their lives arguing details of ancient manuscripts. I am not saying the research given in this article is not valuable, but its like arguing with the street preachers who visit college campuses. You got bigger things to accomplish, and if you debate them all you are doing is wasting your time. Best way to spread the sikh faith is to talk kindly to people about it, and more importantly to live morally and achieve success in life. Just my two cents.

http://sikhismexplained.wordpress.com/

that sikhism explained website at the bottom of the article is disturbing, but appears very well researched. Does anyone have any info on that stuff?

This thread has 5 pages of comments. This thread barely has any. I think if you really care about this issue the way to tackle it is the thread linked above.

What a great thread! Now that I can comfortably say that I no longer drink and smoke, I will start wearing Kara. Family friend got me one in India... should have it soon. Gonna be interesting answering questions from patients not to mention the docs who made me shave my beard.