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The Gurdwarra should take thee men in Asap. Sangat lets step up and keep hounding Havelock Rd gurwarra to house them in one of their many many rooms- anything is better than sleeping outside like that. Food and shelter is what these people need until they can get back on their feet. Please everyone, lets do right by our Gurus and help these people. Sikhsangat please put this as a Sticky

^^Sounds like something a Moghul would say. If khalistan means having people saying things like this, there definitely should Not be a khalistan yet. Only those who have killed their 5 thieves are worthy of being called khalsa.

Can Admin please pin an appeal to All members of this forum to give at least Some money to the charity Oxfam. And can that pinned topic never be taken off as helping the hungry, the poor and the needy is a Huge part of Gurbani.

No, outer rehat is not the most difficult, the amritdhari may perhaps find that slander that may come with it is very difficult to overcome, but there is nothing difficult about keeping outer rehat. And in fact, some who keep outer rehat do not even bother about keeping inner rehat as I'm sure you well know- they're living too comfortable thinking they've got it on lockdown just by donning the amritdhari dress, waking up at amritvela and keeping away from meat, alcohol etc(all Easy as pie). With inner rehat comes challenges that the bhagat never saw coming, the tests that lead one into moments of deep depression, into hell realms, at times slandered continuously- the bhagat begins to see, feel, smell and taste the filth all around, until they become psychologically sound by recognising it is only Him everywhere, in the at times bordering on unbearable pain as well as the pleasure. The world as we know it becomes a completely different place, the demons are rife everywhere(human beings with a hellish psychology who cause this age to be Kalyug)- these tests are the most difficult to pass, of loving all equally no matter what, of accepting His hukam no matter how bad it gets.. The Gurus children were killed, two young ones were tortured- yet he accepted this as sweet hukam, as it was all God himself- this is the kind of great great psychology that the bhagat must adopt to destroy the thieves- how can this even be comparable to outer rehat?

"This reversal is as per destiny, and not otherwise. Thus, whatever has been said in your scriptures is correct. Nothing less and nothing more." :waheguru:

Everything is Prewritten- God is the All Knower, hence he knows your past present and future. If you rise in bhagti, it's hukam and if you fall, that's also hukam. Doing ardas for something you Want is not respecting His hukam- the path he mapped out for you.. This is why wants and desires have no place in bhagti. Guru Gobind Singh Ji accepted the hukam for his sons to die, and for many of his devotees to die also- other Gurus accepted the hukam for many worldly harships. True love is about accepting Hukam- loving God regardless of what he does to us- we continue our bhagti full speed ahead regardless of worldly events(whether good or bad happening around us or to us.) The bhagat eventually remains in anand regardless of what happens as pain and pleasure have become one and the same- as Truth(God) is both/ is in every action. In light of the first line about everything being prewritten, if you do ardas, it was hukam for you to do so- your prayer Is Always heard (regardless of any doubts you may have(any doubts indicate you not having given your head fully to the Guru))- but it was always hukam(destiny) for you to do ardas and for that prayer to be heard. What happens to us is Always what we deserve according to our deeds(karam). There is no left or right hand road(duality), theres only one road(story God's written for us- no it's or buts of what can or could have been) which is completely deserved- hukam is always perfect no matter how it appears(through the false images and 6 senses of maya) in the worldly maya khel. Our aim is to detach and see God/Truth in All- to see All as One, to remain in truth(naam- all pervading balanced gyan of Truth) throughout everything.

God always forgives- really there is nothing to forgive as your actions are all pre-written- just confess your misdeeds and continue your bhagti.

Outer rehat is Easy, it is the inner rehat that is what challenges us to truly rise above maya.. To Control the 5 thieves (ie, our Identity/ego/whatever your name is...) is what the Gurus said they would bow at the feet of the spiritual warrior for- and what merges us with Him/Truth and His court.

Great post- the reality is that we are all a bunch of bleeping bleeps that need to get off our lazy bleeps and discover what he wants us to discover instead of talking about it and reading the teachings over and over(gurbani) without applying it... We are the worst of the worst, the <banned word filter activated> of the <banned word filter activated>-only the gurus and brahmgyanis are exempt from this(although even they were humble enough to call themselves the lowest types of creatures and the lowest of the low) if anyone doesn't agree that this is what we are, it's their ego disagreeing...

You're being tested- whether you pass depends on how much you want it... Do naam simran, embark on the path of bhagti as Gurbani asks you to do- this is the Real(and the highest) seva and the Real Paath- Gurbani i.e The Teacher teaches us not to read it over and over- But to actually BECOME it. We begin to do this and eventually become it by doing bhagti,

Brilliant! Of course you can, you can bow to the devil if ever you see him, and to God in him-this is a reflection of Nirvair. Bow in your heart to every being that comes your way, remain on the floor in your heart, and never get up- for Ego is not called for on this path- we are All One- and All is One. There is a sakhi that states that a boy was hit by a man- and when the Guru asked what happened- the boy replied, Guruji, you hit me. Guruji said great is the one that sees the gurus face in everyone. No matter how much you're hit and hugged, its all just Him doing it to us...

Great post. With the knowledge and application of gurbani, not just the ritual reading of it, we become gurbani- and such rituals and superstitions mean nothing for we are beyond them- When we Truly Accept God of No Image or Form as Truth- we are beyond all of the Bullshite. He remains the lowest of the low, hence, accepting Truth 100% and living in his glory means living beyond all of the egotistical rituals and maya principles the world lives by... Only once begins to lower their head completely and live in the most humble Truth of Nothingness(for we are and God is Nothing- no image, no form, no Nothing)- does one begin to live in acceptance of Hukam(True Love).

Before All creation, there was just the darkness from which we and those before us all came eventually... Water is amrit. To one who has vision, it is pure white light, hence this tuk is not so hard to understand.. Three worlds: 1st world= Pure Truth, the Nothingness from which we all came(referred to in your 1st question) and which is all around us, it is parallel to the other 2 worlds. 2nd world= the parallel astral/spiritual(whatever you want to call it) world. 3rd world= this realm, our bodies(false) etc. Everything other than the 1st world is false- the 2nd world is a projection(astral) of the 1st and the 3rd world is a projection(astral) of the 2nd world. Hence, the journey of bhagti is backwards, within- from our 3rd world back into the 1st(from where we all came). We ground ourselves by attuning ourselves to naam/truth i.e the 1st world/energy/God himself. Then we remain grounded(opposite of projection/astral projection) in Truth in His court(1st world) regardless of what the false 2nd and 3rd worlds (energies) throw our way- for the 2nd and 3rd worlds are just false anyway, just an illusionary khel i.e maya. Hence Gurus and bhagats remained grounded in Truth even while being martyred, for all is imageless,formless Truth, and all else is just astral projection/maya/illusion... They could see stars during the Gurus times, so I'm sure they knew that there are whole load of stars.. :lol: Yes

To defend against weapons, weapons would prob be your best bet, with His grace of course.

You said this^^^ perfectly!

The problem with society today is that the focus of worship has deviated from God, to mortal maya dwellers. Shah Rukh promotes drinking, kaam, krodh, ego etc in his films. Yet he is revered simply due to his fame and other maya associated reasons by men and women alike. India may have moved on from 1984 but sikh widows and their families have not recovered from seeing their husbands hacked into pieces and murdered in cruel ways before their eyes. Sweet shera if your mother was raped before your eyes and your father gunned down just because they believe in gurbani, would you forget so quickly? Sikhs are still disrespected in India and bollywood and perpetrators of 1984 are still in office. Don't come on here and show disrespect.

Thankyou Ji, I'm glad to hear that and am very grateful. Thankyou for spreading Truth.

Thankyou Ji I appreciate what you are trying to do, and yes sardar jokes and many bollywood portrayals of sikhs are insulting and truly awful. Considering India massacred our people (in most awful and demonic ways) in a Holocaust not long ago and have violated many of our human rights ever since purely due to our truthful beliefs, the fact that they have tried to humiliate us via media and entertainment is beyond disgusting. So I have the utmost respect for you trying to get up and fight this great injustice and slander. All I ask is that you uphold the humility that sikhs have, for it is only by becoming the lowest of the low on this earth that we are able to excel in bhagti- I assume you have done this in your book. So all I was commenting on was the title of 'Superhero'(not the turban,although I did say that Anhad is a sikh name and you say the aim is to portray Sardars in a Truer light, hence the assumption the protagonist is a sardar) of your book's protagonist which could be seen as a self glorifying title, for we claim ourselves to be Nothing in Sikhi and for Him to be Everything. God bless you.

Sikhs are not superheroes, gurbani narrates that we cannot do anything at all, and that God is the only doer. Guru Nanak Dev Ji calls himself the lowest of the low and refers to himself as lowly animals, as a slave etc. All we can ever be are slaves to Truth, to God. Nothing belongs to us, no power, no nothing- for we are Nothing. I know you wrote that your book is not intended to be a work of religious fiction, however the protagonist is wearing a pagh and is named Anhad... Kudos for trying to kill the sardar jokes though... And sorry for being such a killjoy! lol

Sister, firstly I'd like to offer my condolences for your loss. Your brother sounds like he had alot of dukhi in this janam- dukhi on earth is karam being repaid to Satnam Ji- it cleanses a soul and makes it lighter. So please be comforted by this fact. Secondly, doctors would not have agreed to stop your brothers treatment if they didn't think it was suitable. There are too many lawsuits occurring for this type of thing. So your brother won't go to hell, don't dwell on this- you need to stop worrying about him and let him be free to continue his journey, as difficult as that may be. We come alone and go alone, we have journeyed many lifetimes and paid off so much karam to get here, noone and nothing is as it seems- and your brother will continue his evolution into another identity, whether its in heaven or sachkandh or in another janam on earth. Trust in Gods unconditional love for us all and that he is leading your brother down the right path, trust in Hukam for it is always perfect. Gurbani says that naam heals all pains, why not commence on the path of bhagti, turn your dukhi into the real sukh and discover your true origin-for that is the aim of this life and all human janams before and after this one- to become Brahmgyani, to merge with the Truth. God bless you

Brilliant! Thanks.

^^Great, when defending Gurbani, freedom of faith and fellow devotees, we must adopt the best methods possible against our opponents, although bombs etc would be out of the question. But there is nothing wrong with a good old punch in the face if need be.

Wrong^^^ A True and most effective leader is One who worships the Source with every cell, with every breath. A leader who rules by the mind and not by the heart of God is not a good leader- Gurbani describes one who does not practice naam as a fool- would you be led by an utter fool? The aim of our lives is to become Brahmgyani, it is our birthright and we are all capable. If we choose, we can shed maya and live gurbani, not just read it over and over but actually live it. This is the beauty of the Guru, He has given us the choice of freedom. There have been a few Brahmgyanis after the Gurus times, not a whole lot, but there have been. Who knows, according to hukam, I could be calling you a Brahmgyani in a few years time, His Hukam is so Great.

Well there are no leaders of the world that are presently Brahmgyanis, which shows how misled society is- when logic(mind) overpowers the heart, leadership is bound to be poor.

^^Same here, I would also put seva for the poor and needy as a total priority. I would ensure that funds are raised within the sangat to ensure that many starving people and esp. many with only days to live are fed and lives are saved.