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May I ask you who is going to decide which person is following his/her religion to best? For talibans <Edited> islam is the best so are you trying to say that gurbani tell people to follow their version of religion to the best even if it is wrong?If a muslim follow islam what is written according to Guru sahiban then he is not going to be considered best in his religion.Same goes for another Religions too

Not true .There are many many sikh women that raised with utmost respect and total equality.,yet they choose to marry a non sikh men One can easily see the example of Prime minister Manmohan Singh .All her 3 daughters are very well educated and working at high positions yet none of them choose to marry a sikh .All of them are married to non sikhs and all Grand Children of manmohan Singh are non sikhs.Could anyone tell what type of discrimination manmohan singh' daughters have seen so they choose to marry non sikhs.

Well You can easily marry a divorced woman who was also cheated by her husband.They too have diifficulty in finding partners

Sikh pilot of Air India averts disaster, possibly saved India’s President WSN Network MUMBAI: An Air India Sikh pilot became a hero when he slammed brakes of a plane about to take off after spotting an Air Force helicopter landing on the runway. There were 150 people on the plane and the chopper was just 200 metres away. The chopper was part of a fleet carrying President Pratibha Patil. Pilot As Pilot S S Kohli slammed the brakes, a tyre burst. The Mumbai airport’s air traffic control also asked the Air India pilot to apply the emergency brakes. All the passengers and crew on board the helicopter and plane emerged from the incident unscathed. President Pratibha Patil was in one of the helicopters. It is not clear whether the chopper that is in question was carrying her. Had Pilot Kohli made any mistake and not displayed the coolheadedness, the plane would certainly have crashed into the helicopter that was landing. Civil Aviation Minister Praful Patel said the President was in a helicopter that landed on the runway a minute later. It was followed by a third helicopter that landed two minutes after. The near-miss — possibly the result of a disastrous mix-up over landing instructions that will be investigated — occurred shortly after 9 am on Monday. The Airbus A- 321 on Air- India flight No.IC- 866 to Delhi was on the main runway number 27, taxiing for scheduled departure at 9.17 am. As the plane was moving and about to accelerate, its pilot Capt S. S. Kohli saw to his horror that a helicopter was landing on the same runway. This was the first of the three helicopters in the President’s convoy that had flown in from the INS Kunjali in Colaba. The two aircraft were only 100m apart. According to officials, the plane was revving up to a speed of over 130 nautical miles per hour (240 kilometres per hour). With a catastrophic crash staring at him even as his passengers were unaware of the developments, 40- year-old Capt Kohli drew upon his 13,000 hours of flying experience to pull off a miracle. He jammed the brakes and was able to exit through the taxiway, barely avoiding the helicopterup ahead. He had achieved what had seemed doubtful a few seconds ago. All passengers had been saved – a feat made possible in less than a minute of nervewracking tension by one man’s calm control of the situation. Eyewitnesses said the Airbus could not have been more than 30m from the presidential elicopter, and at taxiing speed a fraction of a second away, when he steered it to safety. At 9.18 am, the second helicopter landed on the tarmac, while the third came in at 9.20 am. Had Kohli not been alert, they would all have been consumed by a huge ball of fire. Passengers on IC 866 were later accommodated on other flights. There were conflicting reports about the number of passengers on the flight. While Mumbai airport authorities said there were 150 passengers, an Air-India spokesman in New Delhi put the number at 171. The President’s office put out a terse statement on Monday that called for answers to the shocking, near-fatal incident. “The President was in one of the three choppers. We wouldn’t like to say in which one. She is perfectly fine and her programme went on as scheduled,” said a Rashtrapati Bhavan spokesperson, who was part of Patil’s entourage. “The President’s office has asked the civil aviation ministry and Indian Air Force (IAF) to conduct an inquiry into the incident,” the official said. Kohli told reporters soon after the aborted take-off that the pilot of the Indian Air Force (IAF) helicopter belonging to the presidential convoy did not take landing clearance from air traffic control (ATC). 11 February 2009

What was the population of sikhs In that area? may be 13% What about rest of 87% Hindu/Muslims would they had accepted sikh rule?even khan abdul gaffar khan demanded pakhtoonistan insteat of Pakistan but he was also forced to join Pakistan.So there was no option to sikhs as The sole criteria set by Britishers was majority.

All my cousin sisters which are married are in non sikh families.And the girl that is physically assaulted is married to Hindu .Inderking I don't think you have idea of how many sikh girls marrying to hindu's in cities,Yes it is happening on large scale and there is no conspiracy behind it.They do it with their own will and in many cases even parents don't object

LOL you must be talking about Pinds.I have 6 cousin sisters not even a 1 is married to sikh forget about sardar. and there is hardly any chance that more than 1 will marry a sikh.It is one of the topics now that is discussed when you meet relatives.Recently I was talking with my chachi and she told me how one of her distant relative forced her parents to marry her a non sikh .before marriage one of the boy's relative told them that boy is characterless despite that they continued with marriage.Now the girl is getting beaten everyday they forced her to leave her education and treating her like <banned word filter activated>.The girl did all this to escape a marriage to sardar and marry a clean shaven one

In urban India a lot of sikh families treat their daughters as princess.Yet many of these Girls end up marrying in Non sikh homes.Despite so much love from their brothers and fathers they hate sikh image of turban and beard from their heart.Is their any answer why they do that?

Ideally A student is 17 years old when He is in class 12.It means if you don't fail in any class then you have to be in college at 17+.Some people get their children admitted early so one could be 16+ joining college in rare case End of school in India is at 12 th class not in 10th.in class 10 board exams are conducted either by state boards or CBSE .After 10th your marks decide which stream you could opt.Science ,Arts or commerce.Cut off for science is very high ,After that commerce and then Arts

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Agree 100% Why have they got a university just for Sikhs? Isnt this promoting segregation. The University should focus more on educating folk rather than the eyebrows of women. In India minorities are allowed to have their own insituitions in which they can reserve some seats for their communities Like 50 % or so other 50% seats are available for all the people

What a joke .All the fastest bowlers of world Shoaib,lee,Thompson ,Tait clockked around 100 mph.Its nearly impossible For a Human to ball at that speed unless he is an alien http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?t=71317 Read the interview Of Ian point who measured his speed.Actually he started at 70-75 mph and then he was measured at 90-95 mph .Its plain Exageration By His coach. Btw Some Australian said that Shaun Tait will clock 170 kmph against India and he was unable to pass beyond 148 in that match

My Father is Arora and mother khatri.It happened a lot in both the families.I was raised with beleif that marrying mother's side is totally allowed.All ladies Like bhua ,chachi of my family unanimously agree's with it.

Dear simple singhani ji Wearing a turban and keeping kes even for g/f is very small thing .if the boy can,t do it for her He is not even worth for marrying.You have to make so many sacrifices after marriage can't that boy make such a small one for his beloved g/f Also the girl here is showing submissive nature she is questioning her family that they are not supporting her but she is not asking her b/f to wear turban

Why don't the girl ask the boy to keep hair and wear turban. Its very small thing .can't he do it for her if he really love's her. If she marry's him without turban then situation will becoming very embarassing for her family. The ball is in boy's court not the girl's one If he really love's her then he should start wearing turban

Brentlion just read the article I posted on page 2 It has detailed analsys and clearly says that 7 out of 10 times in favour of tiger.You are just giving statitics of bengal tigers.please remember siberian tigers are much bigger than bengal tigers or lions, <9> “In 1857 a tiger at Bromwich broke into the cage of a lion and a fearful scene ensued: ‘the lions mane saved his head and neck from being much injured, but the tiger at last succeeded in ripping up his belly, and in a few minutes he was dead. -The Descent of Man, and Selection in Relation to Sex. Charles Darwin So winner will be siberian tiger

The bus to amritsar you can take it from Gurgaon bus stand or ISBT bus stand delhi. The best option is if you hire a private car from gurgaon.They are much cheaper than taxis You can keep them as much as you like They charge rs. 5 km and for outside gurgaon trip you have to pay 250 km day it means roughly around rs.1250.The rate i said is of non ac indica

both lions and tigers don't have a lot of stamina... about the same amount... Lions, normally, hunt larger prey - mostly due to their habitat that usually has bigger animals then that of tigers. Lions have a more powerful bite force according to this article.... buh, i dunno how reliable it is.. http://en.allexperts.com/q/Wild-Animals-70...-Bite-Force.htm also, lions normally have a more powerful strike, but tigers have a quicker one... http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1...632&q=tiger thats another one... lioness vs tigress... overall lioness wins.. but the tigress got one nice thappar in at the end... but the tigresses face is bleeding.. she keeps tryin to run away.. buh the lioness keeps pullin her back.. haha.. on a totally diff note... THIS is amazgin... http://www.veoh.com/videos/e129685eAbBy2Pd http://en.allexperts.com/q/Interspecies-Co.../big-cats-2.htm Answer Hi, big cat fan If I said this what I ment is that Siberian Tigers by themselves have the potential to kill the largest four legged animals, except perhaps the African Bush Elephant. We know they have the potential to kill Asiatic elephants because Bengal tigers who are smaller then Amurs have accomplished it. Lions can have claws up too 4 inches long, although, they are normally about 3 inches long. Tigers can have claws up too 5 inches long, they are only about 3 1/2 to 4 inches long normally though. Jaguars normally have claws that are 2 inches long, they can reach 2 1/2 to 3 however. Lions have a bite force of about 940 pounds. Bengal tigers are said to have a bite force of about 1,000 pounds. While Siberian tigers are estimated to have a bite force of 1,200 pounds. There are few reliable studies of a Jaguars bite force, I have heard of 1,800 pound, too 2,200 pounds. I think however, the true bite force is closer to 750 pounds of force, as they have the highest bite force amongst felines in relation to head size. Can a Lion kill a White rhino or Asiatic elephant? A Lion can kill a White rhino, it certainly won't be easy but it is feasible. A Asiatic elephant would be extremley rare, but it is plausible. In staged fights, cats have not been known to do well against Bears. Yes, larger size always contributes to bite force. As it would mean a larger skull and more room for muscle mass. You mean at average weights is a Tiger much stronger then a Lion ? Tigers are normally about 23 to 41 kg heavier then Lions, they are clearly stronger but the difference is not to great. To my knowledge there have not been any strength tests for Lions, however, a friend of mine Malcolm who is quite credible speculates the largest Lions would be about as strong as 13 adult men. Siberian tigers have extra fur to protect themselves from kicks to the belly, as do Bengals and other Tigers. This does not make the Lion stronger at parity or average weights. Some studies suggest a Brown Bears (Grizzlys) bite force is about 745 pounds.

From the above article In 10 fights between the two in any natural setting and in non-extreme climate, I’d bet a Bengal tiger will own an African lion 9 times provided there is no bias in choosing the animals. I’d expect an average Bengal tiger of the Terrai (see above) with 530 lbs and 10′, to make a short work of an average South African lion (~410 lbs and 8.5′). Even pound for pound, a tiger is stronger. If it’s a smaller-than-average Bengal tiger, with size and wight similar to the lion’s, it should be 7-3 in favor of the tiger.

After reading the above I think Tiger has slight advantage over lion

http://indrajit.wordpress.com/2006/03/11/l...-of-the-titans/ . Informed . Opinions . March 11, 2006 LION VS TIGER: Who Will Win In A Fight? Filed under: Animal Fight, Fight, Lion Tiger Comparison, Lion vs Tiger, Tiger vs Lion — Raja @ 3:59 pm ** Thanks to Charles and Max for the wealth of information they have supplied (See comments 450 to 600) ** The tiger is the largest of the cats and is a perfect killing machine with a superior combination of power, stamina, cunning and agility. On the other hand, A lion is a supreme warrior with almost unmatched fighting skills and an appearance to frighten even the mightiest of animals. There have been some real fights between the two kings of the jungle. So, what do the evidences and experts (and common sense) say about who will win a fight between the two, or rather, if there are 100 tiger-lion fights which one will have more victories? ________________________________________________ The image below gives a vivid comparison of apparent and actual size of these felines. I don’t know what’s written there, but the image is self-explanatory. There are some links to video in this post where, when a lion stands near a tiger, you can have a good comparative view that conforms with the image here. The vidoes and this image clearly explain why a lion looks bigger even though an average Bengal tiger is actually bigger than an average African lion. The tiger being shown here is most probably an IndoChinese one (going by the color and stripes). Bengal/Siberian tigers are even bigger. (Photo taken from www.icebin.net) Another size comparison image, taken from National Geographic: This image compares a 6′ man with a lion (without the mane), a Bengal tiger and a Siberian tiger. Even though it is from National Geographic, I’d say it definitely exaggerates the size of the Siberian tiger! Here are more size comparisons from National Geographic (clock-wise from top-left: Polar Bear, Brown Bear, Black Bear and Grizzly). Notice that, the Grizzly and Black Bear images are actually the same! If these size comparisons from National Geographic are to be believed, even a Grizzly doesn’t stand a chance against a Siberian tiger, let alone an African lion! ________________________________________________ FACTS FROM ‘TRUSTED’ SOURCES! CONFLICTING AND BIASED INFORMATION! Different people, as it should be, have different opinion on the possible outcome of such fights. Region plays a major role. While most of the East Asian people would put their bet on a tiger, people from other places (other than Cincinnati Bengals fans) pick a lion to win - largely because of more familiarity with stories of one of them (I found that the tiger enjoys good support from South America!). Where you grow up hearing ”Lion is the king of the jungle/beasts” you form the idea that no animal can beat a lion. Similarly, at places like Bangladesh, tiger inspires awe and fear. People who have grown up listening to stories of the might of a tiger, wouldn’t imagine a tiger getting defeated in a fight with another animal. The partisan approach is evident in supposed analyes by Discovery Channel or Lairweb. They keep in mind that they largely serve the population of British origin and so they must ‘analyze’ the cats in a way to make the lion have an advantage! While they mention that there are more lion victories ‘recorded’, I was sent a tourism booklet by Govt of Nepal that claimed “The Bengal tiger is the mightiest of all land animals. Bengal tigers found in Nepal average 550 lbs …………. The closest rival is the lion. But from the documented accounts, fights always ended in the tigers’ favor.” A PBS web site mentioned later in this post claims the same. Also, the size comparison by National Geographic, if true, means that a lion has no chance whatsoever against a Siberian tiger. So, no proper ‘recorded’ or ‘documented’ evidence really. A lion is frequently picked because of the intimidating appearance and the wrong notion that they are generally bigger than tigers. I had even found a web site of a zoo that says an average lion is 1.5 times as big as an average Bengal tiger! Some European powers have (had) lion as national symbol (Some had tiger, too, like the Nazis). When the British ruled over India, numerous mentions of “victory of British lion over Indian tiger” have been made. So it’s not surprising that most of the Indians ’consider’ a lion to be much bigger and stronger than a tiger. Also, the Indian surname ‘Singh’ means ‘lion’, making a lot of people with that surname ‘believe’ that the lion is the strongest animal on this planet. On the same tone, the Chinese paintings of tiger fighting a dragon, make a lot of them think that the only enemy that a tiger might have, is a ‘dragon’. A tiger is supposed to bear the Chinese royal mark on the forehead. ________________________________________________ THE WARRIORS: ________________________________________________ THE KING OF BEASTS: Lion is known to be the King of Beasts across most cultures of the world. This is mostly because of a lion’s appearance and partly because of the social structure of a pride and the lion’s role in the pride. A lion does possess a royal look and attitude. Add to that a tremendous roar that can be heard over miles on the Savannah. Also, living in a pride, a lion doesn’t need to hide itself or avoid any other animals including human beings. A lions lives in the open and controls its territory like a true king, sporting a ‘kingly’ mane and heading a pride that feeds him. The Bible of the Christians and the Geeta of the Hindus both mention the lion as the king of the beasts. So it has got accepted as a sign of royalty all over the world from as early as the Roman empire. Have a look at this magnificent lion (Shambala zoo). Vital Statistics: [There are a lot of variation in the figures found online. I tried to collect them from reputed instituion and/or govt sources] Largest Lion in captivity: 806 lbs (366 kg) Largest Lion found in the wild: 702 lbs (318 kg) and 11′ (3.35 m) Average size (mode) of African Lion: 410 lbs (186 kg) and 8′10″ (2.7 m) ** Lions stand around 1.15m (including mane) at shoulder as opposed to 1m of a tiger ** The King of The Kings: When you think of a lion, you think of an African lion. The Asiatic ones are somewhat smaller in size and relatively unknown living in the tiger country. There is no significant variation in size among the African lions. In some online forums it is claimed that Ngorongoro Crater lions are the largest sub-specis of lions. But there is no base to that claim.. The Tsavo lions are generally considered more aggressive, but they are naturally maneless. Choice: African lion (with mane). Relative advantages over a tiger: Thick protective mane. It also makes a lion look much bigger, heavier and taller than it really is. This is of immediate psychological disadvantage to any animal fighting a lion. It’s downright scary to see a lion coming towards you roaring. A lioness, even if it were of similar size, wouldn’t inspire as much awe. From the fight videos, it does seem that the mane is of huge advantage to the lion. In the only fight-video of a maneless (shaved) lion, the lion seemed too easy to beat by the tiger. The mane is the biggest weapon for a lion - both for defence and for scaring off the opponent. More massively built shoulders. Both the cats have extremely powerful and muscular ’shoulders’. But a lion has it more developed and stronger than a similar-sized tiger. Again, this is an advantage for the lion. Role played as a fighter. This is the most important point cited by the ones who pick a lion to win. A lion is built to be a fighter - super-strong forequarters, protective mane, shorter ears, large head (compared to its body), a big muzzle and strong jaws. In every respect, it seems to have been built for pit fights. And lions do fight over territory and mating fairly often. Taller structure. This makes the lion more intimidating. Also, this somewhat compensates for the weaker hindquarters. Here’s a very good video showcasing lions. ________________________________________________ THE AMBUSH KILLER: Living largely secretive life and attacking preys using stealth, cunning and agility, a tiger is mostly considered a villain (like Sher Khan in Kipling’s Jungle Book). Moreover, the man-eaters in India have further maligned the image of a tiger. Not much is still known about the lives of the tigers in the wild and hence a lot of the information considered as ‘facts’ about tigers are merely informed guesses. Since the chance of encountering a tiger in the wild is way less than the chance of encountering a wild lion, a lot of data about tigers reflect either only a small population of them, or are based on indirect studies, or both. Also, a tiger’s unwillingness to fight without necessity has often been seen as lack of courage and aggression. Look at these majestic Bengal tigers. Vital Statistics: [There are a lot of variation in the figures found online. I tried to collect them from reputed instituion and/or govt sources] Largest Siberian Tiger found in the wild : 845 lbs/ 384 kg. Longest Siberian Tiger found in the wild: 12′9″/ 3.9 m Largest Bengal Tiger found in the wild: 857 lbs/ 389 kg. 3.22 m 10 ft 7 in between pegs (3.37 m 11ft over the curves) (The largest tiger ever held in captivity, and the heaviest ‘natural big cat’ on record, is a nine-year-old male Siberian named ‘Jaipur’, owned by animal trainer Joan Byron-Marasek of Clarksburg, New Jersey, USA. This tiger measured 3.32 m 10 ft 11in in total length and weiged 423 kg 932 lb in October 1986) Average size (mode) of Siberian Tigers living in the wild: 550 lbs (250 kg) and 11′/ 3.35 m Average size (mode) of Bengal Tigers living in the wild: 500 lbs (227 kg) and 9′6″/ 2.9 m (Bengal tigers have a slightly shorter tail than the Siberians) ** The Bengal Tigers have the longest canines ** The Greatest Cat: Tigers vary in size as well as in aggressiveness (supposedly, at least), not only across different sub-species but also depending on the region they inhabit. Bengal tigers found in Nepal, Bhutan and in Assam, Uttaranchal & West Bengal (Northern part) states in India (collectively, the tigers of the Terrai and Duars) are larger than Bengal tigers found in Sunderbans and Rajasthan. The Sumatran tigers are supposedly the fiercest but they are the smallest sub-species of tigers. The Siberian tigesr are the biggest, but considered to be less agile and less aggressive than a Bengal tiger. The Bengal tigers are most widely touted as the most skillful and overall best breed of tigers - nearly as big (male ~230 Kg, ~3 m) as the Siberian ones but much more fierce, agile and strong. The Bengal tigers of the Terrai are often bigger than average Siberian tigers (Update on Aug 4, 2007: I’ve found this in many a trustworthy source that the Bengals are now considered larger than the Siberians). Choice: Bengal/Siberian Tiger. Relative Advantages Over a Lion: Longer and often larger size. Now this is often posed by the people who pick a tiger to win, as a serious threat to a lion. A larger yet more agile body of a tiger is really a serious threat to a lion. But this alone can not be a decisive factor. More powerful back legs. This helps a tiger to leap more, to spring from a disadvantageous position and to make sudden moves. This is of tremendous advantage to the tiger. This gives the tiger the ability to rest its weight on the hind legs and make swipes with both of the front legs. When you look at the tiger vs lion fight videos, you may notice that this is a huge advantage to the tiger. Plus, the strong hindquarters allow them to attack from the side and spring from unexpected/disadvantageous corners. Moreover, a tiger makes faster swipes than a lion. Tigers are more agile than lions. Skills of ambush attacking, tree-climbing, swimming etc are handy if the going gets tough. Plus, tigers are faster runners. These are all defence mechanisms for a tiger just as the mane is for a lion. More stamina and power, and a more muscular built. More stamina of a tiger may be a debatable thing, though. The ‘power’/strength of a cat is generally proportional to it’s size. Longer canines and larger paws. These are the ultimate weapons of a cat. Tigers have considerable advantage here. And here’s a video showcasing tigers. And I found this video to be very interesting. Here is more of Siberian tigers. ________________________________________________ Myths About (and Against) Lions and Tigers:Myth 1: [The lion has a stronger forequarter] The fact is, the lion has slightly more massively built shoulders and the tiger has more developed legs. Overall a tiger is more massively built than a lion. Even pound for pound, a tiger has anatomy-advantage over a lion in the forequarters. Myth 2: [The tiger hunts larger preys] The fact is, both these cats generally hunt similar sized preys (the size of wildebeast) and both these cats may go for larger preys once in a while. Myth 3: [The lion has more bite force] The fact is, pound for ponud, a tiger and a lion have similar bite forces. Though the studies show varying results, actually the tigers have a slightly higher bite force, but that’s accounted for by the extra weight. Myth 4: [Tigers are more ferocious] The fact is, There has never been such a claim by any scientist or noted animal observer. This is a bizare claim with no base. Both these animals show similar ferocity (of course, ferocity is not quantifiable) when drawn into a fight. Myth 5: [Lions have larger heads] The fact is, an average lion has (surprisingly) the same size of head as an average Bengal/Siberian/Indochinese tiger. The tiger’s head is just a little wider and shorter, allowing it to have more bite force. Myth 6: [Lions just fight and tigers just hunt] The fact is, nomadic male lions hunt regularly and skillfully. Even resident male lions hunt sometimes. On the other hand, tigers fight, often to death, with other tigers. Tigers fight fairly often, so much so that around 30% of tiger deaths (for Bengal tigers) occur due to territorial fights. Also, tigers fight with leopards, bears, wild dogs, elephants etc. Most of the tiger vs tiger and lion vs lion fights end after one combatant escapes while some fights in both the cases may result in severe injury or death. Myth 7: [The lion has better fighting techniques] The fact is, the tiger shows better ’skills’ of fighting. It can swipe much faster than a lion, can use both the front legs at the same time for making swipes, is faster and more agile than the lion, and learns very quickly (In one video linked here, the tiger first attacks the neck. After getting a mouthful of mane, it quickly turns to the hind legs) ________________________________________________ THE LIKELY WINNER Captive animals: Captive animals often behave differently than the wild ones. In a fight between captive animals, a tiger will have the advantage of size and power. A captive lion will lack the fighting experience of a wild one. Let’s now talk about ‘wild’ animals, ie, both the animals are at their prime and have been captured fresh from their natural habitat and are in good natural condition. In small pit/cage: Lion will have a slender advantage if the fight is in a small closed area since it may get the benefit of stronger shoulders & the mane and the tiger may feel the lack of space. Agility may not be a big factor. The lion’s head-on attacking technique and taller structure should prove decisive. But it may really depend on the size of the respective animal. If the tiger is significantly larger than the lion, the lion may not get a chance to do much harm to the tiger. In a large area (forest/grassland or even a large ‘cage’): Tiger may win easily. The stronger hindquarters come into play here. It helps to keep balance and make fast movements. The fight may or may not be a first-round knock-out, but a tiger may escape and strike back if needed since it has more stamina and higher speed. If the two animals are ignorant of each other’s presence at the begining, it will really be a tiger’s game. Siberian tigers are sometimes reported to predate on female/young brown bears. The female bears may be larger than the tigers and as aggressive as the male ones. But the tiger stalks the bears and then and hunts them. In a similar way, if a tiger and a lion are released in a forest/grassland, a tiger’s stealth-attacks may be decisive. Why The Tiger Has a Better Chance of Winning: There is a popular notion that a lion is meant for fighting whereas a tiger is meant for hunting and hence a lion will win in a tiger-lion fight. Some people mention that like a pitbull can own larger dogs, a lion can defeat a tiger since, like the pitbull, the lion is meant to be a fighter. This is a bad comparison. That a lion plays the role of a fighter in a pride doesn’t make the tiger a non-fighter and just a predator. A tiger predates AND fights. And that’s why they are way more active than lions. Over their lifespan, a lion fights other lions less than ten times. This may be well less than the number of tiger-fights a tiger has to face over food/mating/territory. A lion may have to fight off hyenas, too. A tiger, on the other hand, fights with leopards, wolves, dholes and black/brown bears over food/territory. The ’strength’ analysis is of course an ideal one. A lot of them may prove to be invalid in real fights. Most of the ‘documents’, ‘eye-witness accounts’ and vidoes (though most of them are manipulated to suit the story of movies) show that there is more chance of a tiger winning the fight than a lion winning it. It seems that a tiger might be reluctant to fight at first. But if compelled to, it’s a much better and more powerful fighter than a lion. Size does matter. An average Bengal/Siberian tiger measures 10 feet and 500 lbs. Can measure up to 11 feet and ~620 lbs. Lions average 9 feet and 410 lbs. Can grow as large as 10 feet and 530 lbs. (Not considering the more extreme cases for either cat). Clearly, tigers have an advantage. Additionally, the build of a tiger provides much more balance and agility. The weight of a tiger is more evenly distributed over its body-length than that of a lion. A tiger’s tail, being heavier compared to a lion’s, makes it easier for the tiger to turn. And if the animal with larger size also has greater agility, it’s the one that should win more fights. Add to that the advantages of bigger paws, faster swipes and longer canines! An African lion, hailing from a place where it doesn’t get much competition from other animals, attacks from the word ‘go’. On the other hand, a tiger, coming from places where it fights bears, wild dogs etc, assesses the situation first and then goes for the kill. (Ok, lions, too, live alongside wild dogs. But they don’t clash much since lions live in prides. For the same reason, lions rarely fight leopards). For this reason, some animal trainers and experts have mentioned the tiger as an intelligent boxer. Additionally, the Bengal tigers are widely considered as being extremely aggressive when drawn into a fight. In 10 fights between the two in any natural setting and in non-extreme climate, I’d bet a Bengal tiger will own an African lion 9 times provided there is no bias in choosing the animals. I’d expect an average Bengal tiger of the Terrai (see above) with 530 lbs and 10′, to make a short work of an average South African lion (~410 lbs and 8.5′). Even pound for pound, a tiger is stronger. If it’s a smaller-than-average Bengal tiger, with size and wight similar to the lion’s, it should be 7-3 in favor of the tiger. Overall, there may be very few really big and aggressive lions that may defeat a Bengal/Siberian tiger, but on an average a tiger will win against a lion almost everytime. ________________________________________________ REFERENCES AND LINKS TO VIDOES AND INFORMATION: From Wikipedia Discussions: Wikipedia, being a relatively open body of knowledge and fed by contributions of a lot of informed people (and a lot of morons, too), tend to have more-or-less unbiased information. I’ve found some interesting discussion there (Wikipedia Talk) about tigers and lions. These are mainly about size comparison and the following types of animal interactions. While these don’t necessarily say anything about about fighting skills of either lion or tiger, they go on to show how immensely powerful the tiger is. Tiger/Lion and Rhino: There are evidences that tigers in the North and East India kill rhinos, even though rarely. But no lion has been known to have killed a rhino. Not even a lion pride. But this is not a good comparison of strength. It surely goes on to say that the tigers must be super-strong, but it can’t discredit the lion for not attacking a rhino. The African rhinos have longer and sharper horns and may grow bigger than the Indian ones. Here’s a WWF report on two orphan rhino cubs whose mother has been killed by a tiger. Here’s a report saying that three rhinos have been killed by tiger(s). Tiger/Lion and Elephant: The Indian elephants avoid tigers. Elephants are known to be attacked by tigers, even though rarely. One single tiger can kill a bull elephant. While it’s true that one single lion can not kill a bull elephant, we need to see the difference in elephants. The African elephants are much larger than the Indian ones and have longer tasks. A bull African elephant is around 1.5 times in weight compared to an Indian one. Here’s a Yahoo!News article about how a bull elephant died after getting injured by a Bengal tigress. One of the most viewed videos online is a small clip where a tiger attacks the person sitting on an elephant. Notice how the tiger completely ignores the elephant! Tiger/Lion and Buffalo: The tiger wins a point here. It’s extremely rare for a single lion to take down a Cape Buffalo. The tigers frequently prey on Gaur and Asian Water Buffalo, both of which are much bigger than the Cape Buffalo. The Gaur is the largest of the major species of wild oxen and has a superb muscular built. It can stand more than 6′ at shoulder and weigh more than a ton. This journal paper by John Singh indicates that Gaur falls into regular prey category of tigers. A Gaur had reportedly been killed and dragged by a tiger whereas 13 men could not move the carcass! Analyses By Others: The most unbiased answer I’ve found is, “Both these cats have very similar built. The difference being, the lion has a protective mane whereas the tiger enjoys a slight advantage on strngth and agility. The fights really should be evenly matched and end with no great injury to any of the cats. I see the lion escaping after getting a lot of swipes on the face and the tired tiger happily letting it go.” Lairweb has a good comparative study and puts lion ahead. It concludes, “The tiger has a longer body, and is usually more powerful in the back legs, having evolved this way for great speed and unmatched leaping power. The lion evolved primarily for fighting, with a larger head and more power in the forequarters…….. It seems obvious that there are a small number of tigers out there which are superior fighters to the lion, but across the majority of the animals, the lion would probably indeed be the King of the Beasts.” The important point is, tiger may be a better predator, but lion is a better fighter. But it also mentions that “After trying a number of options they (Koreans) settled for a Bengal from the extreme northern range of the subspecies (the Nepal Valley). These tigers almost matched the Amur subspecies in size and were up to 600 lbs in weight. Within this Bengal the Koreans are said to have found an almost disturbing ferocity. It is claimed these tigers attacked violently and relentlessly, most often winning in any fight against the lion.“ This discussion tells us of a fight between an african lion and a sumatran tiger in which the tiger wins. Some decent arguments in favor of the lion (I’ve already mentioned these while talking about a lion’s strengths). Certain things copied from a forum. These are in favor of tiger (the person posting these, picked the tiger to win ANY fight between the two). He may have been biased in collecting information, but it’s a nice collection nonetheless. Tiger seems to be the outright winner: <1> “This observation was confirmed more recently in the 1950 by a keeper in the Bronx Zoo, where a lion cub named Zambezi and a young tiger named Ranee were raised together. There occasional fights always resulted in a victory for the tiger. Alfred Martini, the keeper, described the tiger as being the better fighter, like a clever boxer against a heavy hitter, shrewder and trickier.” (Mel and Fiona Sunquist, 2002 page 287)” . <2> “When the ancient Romans set tiger against lion in the Coliseum, the tiger invariably won” - The Living Edens. <3> “The lion is a less active animal than the tiger, and apparently not so powerful; in every case of a fight between the two in a menagerie the tiger has invariably killed his opponent.” (Referring to the Asiatic lion) (pg. 212) . <4> “In fights between a tiger and a lion in the wild, the tiger is usually the winner. - The Rudiments of Wisdom Encyclopedia by Tim Hunkin “. <5> “They have accidentally gotten into each other’s cages, and the tiger has killed the lion. As regard to their comparative courage in the presence of man, all evidence is in favor of the tiger. Yet the poets nearly always insist on having it the other way.” (pg 497) - A Handy Book of Curious Information ” . <6> “The tiger is a rare jewel in a treasure chest of truly spectacular Indian wildlife. When the ancient Romans set tiger against lion in the coliseum, the tiger invariably won. In some ways, the tiger is the ultimate predator. -PBS.ORG” . <7> “George Stubbs, the most famous and original animal painter of his time who was just reaching his peak in 1759, liked to display combats of lion versus tiger, though he did not commit the egregious mistake made in James Ward’s animal pictures painted later in the century where the lion symbolizes Britain and the tiger India; in reality, as we know very clearly from the obscene animal fights staged by the Ancient Romans in the arena, the tiger would win in such a sight every time.” (pg. 163) - 1759: The Year Britain Became Master of the World. <8> “In the Middle Ages a few lions were kept in European menageries in Germany, England France and Italy. The best known of these early zoological collections was one belonging to Henry I of England that was eventually moved to the Tower of London, where it remained until 1840. Occasionally lions where forced to fight tigers, but apparently the tigers always won.” - Wild Cats of the World by Mel and Fiona Sunquist. <9> “In 1857 a tiger at Bromwich broke into the cage of a lion and a fearful scene ensued: ‘the lions mane saved his head and neck from being much injured, but the tiger at last succeeded in ripping up his belly, and in a few minutes he was dead. -The Descent of Man, and Selection in Relation to Sex. Charles Darwin. <10> Clyde Beatty actually says he knows of cases of tigers fighting off several lions at once and emerging from the fight unharmed. One sumatran tiger named Chester fought off seven lions at once and only incurred slight injuries. The bengal tiger Rex was apparently also more than a match for lions that attacked him even when he was outnumbered [This ‘fighting off seven lions’ part is either an exeggeration or it was not a serious fight at all, just a bit of teasing, or the lions were toothless/broken-nailed/dying-old/blind/… :-D. Forget about seven lions, I’d doubt if a Sumatran tiger can fight even seven medium-sized dogs] Online Videos: A collage of nearly all the fight videos available online for free. A nice video collage showing lion-tiger interaction. It’s a good resource for getting idea of size comparison, fighting technique and attitude. There is no ‘fight’ as such in this video. Just some small conflicts. A ‘funny’ video of lion vs tiger. There are some interesting sequences including a small one where a tiger has been attacked by three lions. Like the last one, this is not a ‘fight’ video. Video showing a one-to-one fight between a lion and an equal-sized tiger . It is taken from a movie, but the fight is real. There seems to be distinct rounds in the fight (:-p). Round 1: Tiger wins. Round 2: Lion wins. Round 3: Tiger wins. Unfinished Round 4: Tiger had clear advantage before water cannon was used to stop the fight. It’s mentioned elsewhere that the tiger had killed the lion. That seems reasonable. Another lion vs tiger video from a movie (Jungle Jim). It has been edited to suit the sequence of the movie where the lion is supposed to kill the tiger. So, a fight has been shown and then, abruptly, a sleeping (’dead’ in the movie) tiger is shown in the next scene. The beasts seemed evenly matched and both had some slender advantage at some point in the fight. The lion is fully grown (see the mane). The tiger is either young, or a female, or Sumatran - going by the size. Some clips from Everland. Korean pit-fight video on a fight between a tiger and a shaved lion. Not a very clear one, but seems like the tiger was dominating throughout the fight. A collection of some of the videos mentioned here, declaring the tiger as the ‘true king’. In one part of the clip, there is a sequence where a tiger kills a lion. A wealth of lion-vs-tiger videos from YouTube. The members of the LeoTigrisElite try to collect and upload relevant videos on YouTube. I shall keep putting those links here as and when I find something new there. Video showing that a tigress killed a leopard Small video clips of Siberian, Bengal and Sumatran tigers A lion vs black bear fight in which there is no clear winner. The lion (a shaved one) dominated the fight and landed some good punches and bites on the bear, but the bear didn’t lose any bit of aggressiveness. Even when the lion wanted to rest a bit, the bear followed him and attacked relentlessly till the point when either of them could not carry it on any longer. One important thing here is that even a lion is much faster than a bear. The bear-swipes seemed as if in slow-motion compared to the lion-swipes. A pit fight between a bull and a lion. The lion got humiliated. A lion vs lion fight video. A video of a fight between a tiger and a fairly large (~11′) croc. Tiger kills the croc A video of a classic hyena vs lion fight. A group of lionesses kill a wildbeast in the night and the hyenas claim it by forcing the lionesses to retreat. ‘The next morning’ a lion comes and kills a hyena (wonder where he was hiding ‘the previous night’!). Baffled lion and mad man. And here’s an experiment with a lion. Lions kill and eat a man (**very disturbing**). A wounded lion tries to fight back against hunters. The African King is dead. Look at the braveheart! A lion got scared by the roar of another animal (probably a jaguar shown in the begining of the video clip). Other Related Stuff: This PBS website says that tigers have won in most of the fights against lions. A photo showing “a lion slaps on the face of a tiger as they fight for the control of a pool at a zoo in Nanjing, east China’s Jiangsu province July 18, 2004. The lion finally occupied the cool water of the pool in the summer heat wave after it defeated its challenger in two minutes.” A fight for a pool is really trivial. Some videos mentioned in the Online Video section show tigers displacing lions for vantage sitting spots. One tiger has been shown to displace five lionesses. These are no evidence of fight. The best fight in the animal kingdom would be a fight between a Barbery lion and a Siberian tiger. A supposed newspaper report suggets that such a fight had happened and the tiger had killed the lion. A supposed news report of lion vs bulldog fights. The first lion gets wounded, the second one settles the score. Debate among some stubborn supporters of either group, and some links to videos Discovery channel even used to sell a video of a tiger-vs-lion comaparison at a high price. (It puts the fight as “close”. “Northern India, where the last population of Asiatic lions lives only 200 miles away from the nearest group of tigers, is the setting for this catfight. Anatomist Dr. Frank Mendel shows that there is almost no anatomical difference between the two rulers of the jungle. The tiger has a slight weight advantage, but the lion, with its imposing mane, could have the psychological edge. And while the simulation team tries to account for differing hunting tactics – tigers hunt alone, while lions usually hunt and fight in groups – even lion expert Sam Stephens and tiger trainer Dave Salmoni agree on one thing: Same jaws, same paws, same claws will make for a close fight.” Not surprisingly, the ones who have seen the video on TV/DVD, have arguments in the website, too and made comments like “Lions are truly King of all beasts. Long live the King!” and “Seriously guys, learn your facts. The Tiger would have totaly tore. the lion appart”) An article claiming that an Indochinese tiger, a male, killed a Bengal tigress “in the blink of an eye” A poll on BigCats.com where Tiger wins handsomely Some good points raised in this forum. And, here is a Liger. Officially the largest cat in the world with 400 Kg and 4 m Discovery Channel Animal Face-Off simulation results (I trust Discovery Channel to support populist views without giving a damn to truth/logic. A lot of these so-called simulations are plain ridiculous. These might have been made for typical low-IQ rumor-fed people): Great White Shark beats Saltwater Crocodile (Video Link) Elephant beats Rhinoceros (Video Link) Lion beats Tiger. Watch it. As funny as it can be! They made the simulation, and they ‘analyzed’ that, too! Like a lot of video clips taken from movies where a tiger or a lion is suddenly shown as dead, this simulation ends abruptly. For most part, it seems a courtship simulation rather than a fight. Also, Discovery Channel is known to keep their viewers’ bias in mind. When they are catering mainly to North American people, they *must* show that a lion wins. Otherwise they will lose ‘credibility’. Hippo beats Bull Shark (Video Link) Cougar beats Wolf (Video Link) Walrus beats Polar Bear (Video Link). Watch this video, too. Grizzly Bear beats Siberian Tiger (video Link) Nile Crocodile beats Lion (Video Link) Anaconda beats Jaguar (Video Link) Gorilla beats Leopard (Video Link) Black Bear beats American Alligator (Video Link) Sperm whale beats colossal squid (Video Link) [ DISCLAIMERS: 1. Some links may not work since I don’t have any control over the linked pages 2. Some images posted here may be copyrighted. The copyright remains with the original publisher. If notified, I shall remove those images. 3. There are people who claim “this is sick mentality to talk ’bout animal fights” are just epitomizing prudery. Stop Bull-fighting, where a bull is slowly killed by by a man. Then criticize the discussion on a nearly even fight like a lion vs tiger one. 4. I have no intention of demeaning the author of the Lairweb by saying s/he’s biased. It’s just that his/her approach seems to be - having a conclusion first (Grizzly > Lion > Tiger), and then trying to show partial evidence to support that! Other than that, s/he has done an AWESOME job! ] ______________________________________

Character wise tiger is much better than lion A tiger hunts his prey alone and himself while It is lioness that hunt and that too in pride.Male Lion is just a bully who eats the prey killed by lionesses.he is just like a person who live's on the income of her wife and do nothing.

Just a correction cheetah is cheetah leopard is tendua

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Here IS some information for you about sarika ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.sikhnet.com/Sikhnet/news.nsf/Ne...33;OpenDocument Her mother, Sanita Watkins-Singh, told the Western Mail, “Sarika made her first visit to India in 2005, looking at her cultural background and her roots. I don’t believe in putting pressure on children to follow a certain religion, but Sarika decided for herself that she wanted to be a practising Sikh. “Her views have crystallised over the last six months, and she started wearing the Kara. At first it didn’t seem to be a problem, but then a PE teacher asked her to remove it. “Later, after she refused to remove it in class, she was isolated from the rest of the girls. Then this week she was sent home.” Sarika herself said, “We went to quite a lot of places during my visit to India, including the Golden Temple in Amritsar, which was just amazing. I became very interested in Sikh history and was inspired to follow the religion. “The Kara is a very important Sikh symbol and a constant reminder to me to do good, and that God is One. I am very disappointed that my school does not recognise my right to wear the Kara. I did not like being put into isolation, which to me was like a prison. I feel my education was suffering.