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read sukhmani sahib as slow as possible by trying to contemplate every line so you can try to implement it into your life. without understanding the words and living the shabad, your just going to be left with a lot of reading and anxiety. 40X, 100X doesn't make a difference until you do vichaar on it. remember, gurbaani isn't a mantar, where you read it and bam your worries are gone, vichaar and implementation is the way to feel the power of gurbaani. go for it. peace.

you don't have to go anywhere to have darshan of guru sahib, if you do, sikhi is a big lie and gurbani is a big joke . peace.

the funny thing is that the guru sahibs never cared to mention their ancestory but we seem to be stressed over the issue. the gurus could be linked to Luv and Kush, but at the end of the day, does it really matter? peace.

the bottom pic says that those two young singhs are nephews of shaheed bhai satwant singh ji.

well put.

Bob i always talk the truth you just like to see your version of events when they suit you, i like to think of myself as independent from all free from bias!! GOI. peace.

now its rambo rambo not soorma. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAaR9ozFF8E peace.

you know for a poor country back then, they sure had a lot of money to buy people out. hmmm...too much shadiness.. peace.

i'm gonna make a pic of "guru nanak" playing xbox, or better yet, one was made of "guru arjun" playing golf on the cover of a magazine, are we to believe that all sikhs should play xbox or golf? baani is guru. and baani tells us about threads and what not.... just because someone makes a pic of a guy with a halo around his head getting ar akhri tied on him, doesn't mean its a sikh tradition. guru sahib travelled all over, to mecca, baghdad, tibet, some even say as far as turkey, so did bibi nanki send guru sahib's rakhri via courier while he was on his udassis, journeys? "First Udasi: (1500-1506 AD) Lasted about 7 years and covered the following towns and regions: Sultanpur, Tulamba (modern Makhdumpur, zila Multan), Panipat, Delhi, Banaras (Varanasi), Nanakmata (zila Nainital, U.P.), Tanda Vanjara (zila Rampur), Kamrup (Assam), Asa Desh (Assam), Saidpur (modern Eminabad, Pakistan), Pasrur (Pakistan), Sialkot (Pakistan). Second Udasi: (1506-1513 AD) Lasted about 7 years and covered the following towns and regions: Dhanasri Valley, Sangladip (Ceylon). Third Udasi: (1514-1518 AD) Lasted about 5 years and covered the following towns and regions: Kashmir, Sumer Parbat, Nepal, Tashkand. Fourth Udasi: (1519-1521 AD) Lasted about 3 years and covered the following towns and regions: Mecca and the Arab countries. Fifth Udasi: (1523-1524 AD) Lasted about 2 years and covered the following towns and regions: Places within the Punjab. " http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php?title=Guru_Nanak_Udasis the bond between a sister and a brother is stronger than a string. and if you look at the state of some of our youth on drugs and what not, it should be the girls getting rakhris tied on themselves as they are more fit to offer protection than the guys. it's a cultural thing. i mean you have 900 million hindus celebrating raakhi, as they like to call it, then of course sardars get an itch to join in on the fun. its the same thing in the west. we adapt cultural traditions. we assimilate to a degree, some fully. for example, my family used to put up a chritsmas tree during christmas, why? because everyone else was doing it and my sister and i wanted to get presents. jesus, never even thought twice about the saviour. peace.

I was a young kid and my dad got the indo-canadian newspaper, hayer's paper, in america, and it was very pro-khalistan, what happened? why did hayer make a U-turn? thanks.

JITHE KHOON SINGHAAN DA DULOO, UTHE NISHAAN KESRI JHULOO

that wasn't my intention. i was actually impressed by his previous post and commented on how it was very good. my intention was to encourage him to continue posting in that way. some people have been on sarpanch's case and i was just trying to let him know that his intentions are passionate but people miss his point because he may come off a bit aggressive. if that seems condescending, then i don't think you actually read the post. chalo. peace.

veer sarpanch, i think you did a nice job of expressing your thoughts. you illustrated a nice grasp on the progression of events throughout the sikh experience. I would have liked to say this to you in a private message, but I think it may serve a better purpose if I state it for everyone to read. I personally think you have a lot of passion and have the gist of what the issue is. I think you have a lot to offer this forum in terms of passion. I think the reason you rub some people on thsi forum in a wrong way is that sometimes you are a bit aggressive in driving home your point, which you were not in the previous post, i would say. In all honesty, before I even made the effort with waheguru's kirpa to read gurbaani, i had immense hatred for Hindus, the people. It was there, no lying about it. When I started reading gurbaani, and did veechar, because just reading gurbaani as some mantar, or ritual is worthless without vichaar and implementation, I learned something. To fight people is worthless. To fight ideas is worthwhile. To protest a person's actions is meaningful. I learned what sikhs' actually fight against. we fight against ideas, and actions which subjugate humans under inhumane laws and treatment. we fight against ideas which are established to undermine a human beings capacity to be free, mentally and physically. Sikhs fight for ideas which liberate people from mental tyranny and physical imprisonment. how can i justify these views? OUr gurus lived this concept. They freed Sikhs and fellow countrymen from the clutches of Brahmin ritualism which made some higher than others, which made some the dirt on which the high ones walked upon. Guru Hargobind singh ji's, bandi chor diwas, freed men from phisical imprisonment. guru granth sahib ji continues to free people from spiritual bondage to superstition and scare tactics to subdue the human spirituality which is in true essence born free, because it is is the jot of akaal, or God. So my point is, as long as you direct your passion against the ideas which try to subdue the sikhs and others, people will understand you or at least give you the benefit of the doubt. you have pain in your heart. its a start. dukh hunda, ta fer hi banda doctor kol jaanda. doctor sahib, guru granth sahib ji hazar nazar ah. if you tone down the rhetoric as you have done in this previous post, and express your thoughts in such a way that projects sikhi, then i'll bet people will give you the time and day. i'm not saying i do this, but i always try. because at teh end of the day, if we don't try to represnt guru sahib's teachings, we're representing nothing but our false ego, which leads to nothing. so, stay passionate brother, i feel ya, just remember that out of all the hindus, Muslims, christians, etc etc, may be future khalsas one day. keep on figting the good fight. take care. peace.

being an NRI groom, I can tell you all are not the same. :D the parents should be ashamed of marrying their daughters off to anyone who asks for money before the marriage (dowry) as a condition for marriage. the problem is with greedy NRIs, but it is also a problem of punjabi people willing to do anything to go abroad, even marrying their daughters off to shady characters in the hope of getting them abroad. peace.

wow, that's the first time i actually heard a rabab, sounds so different compared to the usual harmonium sound... thanks.

NRI's shouldn't all move back as the influx of foreign money would keep the economy going. Visit a dhaba around winter time in punjab and you can see all the "valaiti" folks, showing off their gold chains, jazzy B hair styles, spending thousands of rupees on a meal. they do some serious shopping, with the women from engand, canada, america, etc buying suits for like 50,000 rupees each. you see NRI's opening up hospitals for the poor. adopting villages and updating cremations grounds by donating freezers to preserve the bodies until they are cremated. the existance of a khalistan, which currently has a population of over 24 million people(assuming just the present state of punjab), doesn't require all 2 million odd NRI's all moving back. also, if you think only NRI's support khalistan, then your mistaken. over 200,000 sikhs, from india have been eliminated for being "terrorists", now if i'm not mistaken, that's a whole lot of darn terrorists. how may sikhs died for independence from Britain? it was not even close to the figure who died in the name of khalistan or were killed in its name. so india gets independence, why didn't everybody stay in india? why are so many indians living abroad? they all yelled for india to be free, why aren't they willing to live there? why the hyposcrisy in thinking when it comes to a sikh homeland? also, the people being caught for being khalistanis these days, none of them are from abroad. peace.

these are the perks of having your own country...... you can get away with even murder, as is evident in india's history and present. peace.

that was amazing! thanks for posting that. peace.

actually the video is very interesting..watch it very carefully, ignore the fact that badal is a sellout, listen to what he says. Gupta tries to get Badal to say that jarnail singh bhindrawaala was a terrorist, but Badal dodges the point and talks about the congress party and their behavior with the sikhs. Gupta wants Badal to talk about how terrorists made punjab a horrible place to live, but Badal dodges it again and blames the congress. badal talks about how so may of his akali comrades were killed by the congress, yet gupta interrupts and says terrorists, basically putting words in his mouth. the whole time gupta was trying to get badal to denounce jarnail singh ji and sikh militants, but badal was quite clever as he knows the place sikh kahrkoos have in the sikh panth. he's a clever politician. the interview is a great exaple of the hindu sikh relationship. the hindu interviewer is hearing what he wants to hear from badal even though badal is saying something else. he talks about jarnail singh bhindrawaala but badal doesn't dare to go there, yet gupta misses it, that jarnail singh is not seen as a terrorist to badal. just not on the same page. badal actually mentions some very important things, such as the emergency, the fact that chandigarh wasn't given to punjab, the creation of punjab state, pitting sikhs against hindus for political gains, etc etc. the funny thing is taht none of these issues are resolved, and Gupta acts as if though all is well in Punjab. he fails to realize that ll the greivances taht badal mentioned are still unresolved. peace.

parnaam shaheedan nu. peace.

this is why the indian gov't freaked out. average people, including people in their very own police force were supporting the sikh movement, which was not a terrorsist movement backed by pakistan, but was a people's movement against state sponsored terrorism and injustice. parnaam shaeedan nu. peace.

"Except that was a instance of hindus killing hindus (something you say never happens in Hindu India)." i haven't said that. in fact, what i have said is that a sikh is guilty until proven innocent, and a hindu is innocent until proven guilty. Hindus killing hindus is qute common, have you seen all the dalits killed by upper caste hindus? you keep harping on the conspiracy theory of the west, yet the indian constitution says sikhs are hindus, is that a western conspiracy as well? chatanga makes very good points. also, we can go back all the way to guru nanak ji. he single handedly shook the brahmin machinery. They tried to kill him back then. The sikh ethos and psyche has always been a thorn in teh side of brahminism, because it shakes the core of their imaginary hold over indian society. indians like to put forward this imaginary love affair between guru sahib and brahmins, when the fact is that it was a major issue. since the inception of sikhi, brahmin thought has felt threatened. this manifested itself in physical attacks on guru sahib as well as trying to falsify sikh belief through propaganda and what not(writing fake granths etc). and you want a conspiracy theory. a minority brahman group is controlling basically every facet of indian life. how? you need to read sikh history from the begining to realize what is going on and where sikh opinions are coming from. it wasn't all sikhs vs. mughals. it was many many times sikhs vs brahmin thought and armies. out of all the battles guru sahib fought, majority were against the hindu hill rajas. not trying to downplay the treachery of the mughals, but just want to remind indian patriots that their forefathers weren't guru lovers either. peace.

what you refer to as "poor decisions" and "poor judgement" is referred to as galughara 1984 or the holocaust of 1984 in the sikh community. again, i can totally see where you are coming from, because when Gujjars were fighting for scheduled tribe status in Rjasthan, and members were beaten and some killed by police firing, my reaction was not the same as police action against sikh protestors against sacha sauda chief.... i think it is really hard for non-sikhs to grasp the events in terms of the sikh pysche. its a perspective based on sikh ethos, traditions, and values. peace.

"And you are comparing the likes of Abdali and Ghauri who have invaded 'from the front' countless times to a woman. " you say that as if a woman is too inferior to be compared to men of power. Ahmad shah abdali is known to sikhs for killing innocents and desecrating golden temple. Indira Gandhi has earned the same honor in sikh history. look, just as we have a hard time seeing afghans glorifying Abdali, non-sikhs will never have the same understanding when it comes to indira gandhi in sikh ithihaas. i don't think non-sikhs realize the enormity of having darbar sahib attacked. for you it seems a foolish comparison, but what i say isn't even a fanatic or militant viewpoint, "moderate" sikhs, who currently run sikh affairs in punjab and india, hold the same view. it may hurt the indian pysche to see one of theirs put alongside abdali, but that is where the sikhs have placed her. she is among those whom sikhs remember as a tyrant. peace.