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Badal is back to playing his old games. Badal knows that he needs a corrupt officer in charge so that when the time comes he will not refuse Badal's orders to take action against the protesters. If he placed a respectable and honest officer the chances are that he will refuse Badal's oppressive orders. He removal of Badal needs to be part of the program of the the present movement.

Never underestimate the power of the pendu mentality. It is the pendu mentality that has brought the Punjab to a standstill for over a week and shown Badal and the RSS that the Sikhs won't take his BS lying down any more. To be honest I would much rather have one of the these pendus as back up than a thousand members of City Sikhs. Any Sikh who took the time to turn up at the protest deserves our thanks, the ones who were arrested doubly so as we all know how the current Sikh mentality is to avoid a criminal record at any costs even down to taking as much sh1t as possible to avoid one. It doesn't matter to me which Jathebandiyan these Sikhs belonged to, what matters is that they showed the Indian and British governments that Sikhs care about what is happening to their fellow Sikhs in Punjab. Get off your high horse. No amount of petitions, candle lit vigils and inviting govt ministers to the Gurdwaras so that they can get some cheap votes for doing very little is going to make the cause so forward. Look at the way the Palestinians have made their cause attain worldwide attention and support and yet they even take part in Suicide bombings! What the world admires are people who have faith in their cause and who are committed 100% to attaining their object.

Let's be honest here. The British government is vying with other countries to get contracts from India and they will never support the Sikhs. Look at how they dealt with a survivor from Tianneman square who protested against the visit of the Chines premier. The police arrested him and RAIDED his house afterwards when all he did was to peacefully protest. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhAuzNwQ79E To those who are making a big deal about Sikhs being seen a troublemakers now, you can't make an omelette without breaking an egg. If you want to have the media cover your protests then the only way they will cover it will be if there is violence. That's the sad fact. Even if we had 10 Singhs turn up at the Indian embassy and one fat overweight pig got a slap then we that would make headlines. If 100,000 Sikhs turned up then the news about a cat being rescued by fire fighters would make the news before the protest does. With the violence a few racist goray may have their racist views about Sikhs confirmed but for the mass of non-Sikhs out there they will not just read the story about the pig getting a slap they will research further and our cause has a better chance of creating awareness than a hundred petitions to the BBC.

You beat me to it. This will let non-Sikhs who did not watch the show hopefully want to know what is happening in Punjab.

Anyway one positive from that show was that the daft cow who was marrying that atheist gora got a big fat NO when she tried to book her 'fairytale' Anand Karaj! You can bet the cow who has probably been spoilt rotten by her parents suddenly got a NO for an answer for the first time in her life. She probably went off crying to dad and he probably tried to change the committee's mind by name dropping that he is so and so's sa.la /chacha/taiya etc. I wish I knew which Gurdwara it was and I would email them and let them know how I appreciate them adhering to the Rehat Maryada. I would guess that without the protests the Gurdwara would quite easily have said yes and made a farce of the Anand Karaj.

The problem is that these types of shows are just there to allow the guests to voice their opinion in a few sentences. The Anand Karaj issue cannot be discussed fully in the ten minutes they allowed especially as they had to get that idiotic Hindu, the sell out Jew (two interfath marriages and an affair with John Major the dullest PM the UK ever had) and the taqiya playing Muslim their views. In the end it doesn't matter what the media think because the aim is to prevent the interfaith Anand Karajs and these can only be prevented if the Sikhs who have love of Sikhi in their hearts are the ones who run the Gurdwaras and not the old budday who run the Gurdwara as a business. The Singh who was on the show did a good job and for those who want to criticise him then maybe they should be the ones on the show next time. I know some people will think he went overboard with the protest at the end but then at least it would have got some of the viewers to think about what is happening in Punjab. Anyway kudos to that Singh. Let's not play the media game and always attempt to show how good we are as a community. Instead we should be focussing on making the Gurdwaras adhere to the Rehat Maryada. Let the BBC idiots shout as much as they can that we don't allow interfaith Anand Karajs. Their views don't matter. BTW the researchers on that BBC show are so thick that they called that Kapoor cow - Sikh counsellor.. lol she was actually a councillor at Ealing council until 2014 when they voted the daft cow out. She is not a Sikh as far as I know but one of the Punjabi Hindus who think just because their ancestors used to go to the Gurdwara it gives them a right to voice their BS.

This is the mentality of some people and this is the reason why the same old corrupt criminals keep being elected again and again. People see some bypass being built and they automatically think that there is development. Do you know that next to these same skyscrapers will be tens of thousands of people living in a slum subsisting on a few rupees a day.

Your dad is wrong. Badal is the most evil and most corrupt person to even have the appearance of a Sikh. Even a Sikh who has committed a murder has some good in him but Badal is without any good in him. He came to power in 1997 with a manifesto promise to punish those police officers who had killed Sikh youth in fake encounters. He forgot this when he came to power. In fact rather than punish these murderers he has actively promoted them as seen in his making Sumedh Saini as the Punjab police chief as well as making Izhar Alam an Akali candidate and then replacing him with his wife when the Sikhs protested. Badal has sold out his people, he only cares about money and power. I don't know what fake babas your dad thinks that Badal is protecting Punjab from because he has given fake babas free rein to create their deras and take the people from the Guru to themselves.

You are wrong on Simranjeet Singh Mann. A lot of people make a big deal about him not going into the Indian parliament and giving the Sikhs a voice there. Simranjeet Singh Mann did not enter parliament in 1990 as he took a stand on the full length Kirpan not being allowed into the building. Whether this was good or bad is open to debate but the fact is that he stood by his principles. The others from his party who did enter the parliament did give the Sikhs a voice but what voice can the Sikhs have when there were only 4 Sikhs surrounded by 600 odd criminals in the Indian parliament? You appear to be confusing his stand on not entering the parliament without his full length kirpan with the boycott of the Punjab elections which took place in 1992. FYI Simranjeet Singh had his candidates stand in the May 1991 Punjab elections which were cancelled by the Congress when they came to power in delhi. In these elections, candidates were killed by either the Kharkoos or Police Cats and I think even at least one of Mann's candidates was killed. The May 1991 elections were cancelled and then re-run in Feb 1992 and by that time the Kharkoos had achieved a total boycott and bought Mann around to their views.

I do get the feeling that there is a subtle attempt at play here to start to create an imaginary phantom of 'Sikh extremism' in order to then create some kind of prevent program to gain access to government funding in the same way that the Muslim community has. This will allow Sunny and his cronies to have well paid jobs with all expenses paid jaunts and other perks.

So some people don't know how to debate and then that is your yardstick for deciding what the future rulers of Khalistan will be. Let me guess this is you attempt to criticise the need for Khalistan? Here are your ACTUAL rulers and how they behave. Will you be flying over there are telling them that their country should not exist because of their behaviour. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtgDDcXEy88

It depends whether you support the use of the term which combines the Khalsa with a Islamic terrorist organisation whose aims and methods are totally opposite to those of the Khalsa. The term is so outrageous, a bit like combining Budhism with Al Qaeda.. how about Budhqaeda? The fact that you support him does not surprise me.

You obviously have an axe to grind against the Singh Sabha. There is nothing wrong in the SGPC system, it has only been since Badal took over that the system has degenerated. The system is only as good as the people who have the final say in deciding on who in put in positions of responsibility. If people are ok with voting for those who ply them with alcohol and drugs in order to cast these people votes then the people themselves are at fault. At least the Mahants had the excuse that they had been in change since the days of Maharaja Ranjit Singh. The criminals that hold office in the SGPC only got there through money and drugs. Hopefully when Badal goes in 2017 and with Panthic parties united then the people will vote in better representatives the ones we have now. We in the west also have to get rid of the committees in the west which are cronies of Badal.

You don't have the justify yourself. You are entitled to have the last say on what kind of paper the book is to have and should not have to put up with ignorant comments by people like Jigsaw Singh. Unfortunately in our community people will spend hundreds of pounds on useless items and yet complain about the fact that a book like yours costs $80.

So what exactly are you saying? They set it up by making it easy for a musla to get on the air. How do you know that what he said on air was totally different to what he told the operator. The only problem is that they allowed him to speak for the time that he did without cutting him off. But then the aim of the programme was to show the mentality of these paedostanis and then one of them phones in to prove how low these people are. What I think is most telling here is how you are muddying the water by coming up with a conspiracy theory because you cannot play your usual game of defending musay unconditionally. It must be getting tough to defend muslay for people like you as muslay themselves are quite open about what their intentions are and more and more people are learning the truth about their manmat religion.

Another OSI - one sentence id1ot .

One can only try ones best to bring some sense into those like jigsaw and singh123.. who are wilfully blind. I have tried my best but then where I failed reality will take over and it will smash some sense into their ignorant heads.

The March 1947 violence which was prelude to the partition violence initially started in the urban areas such as Lahore, Amritsar, Multan and Rawalpindi. In Rawalpindi the Sikhs were about 18% of the city population compared to 33% Hindu and 44% Muslim. So here they were able to defend themselves. The Sikhs of Rawalpindi consisted of both small traders as well as big industrialists. Some were military contractors and hence had access to arms and along with the Hindus kept the Muslim mobs that attacked the city at bay and by all accounts the Muslims got the worst of it. These Muslims mobs then moved on to find easier targets and that was when they attacked the small Sikh villages in the rural areas which had no way to defend themselves.

What's there to be scared off? The children of those who avenged the killings of the Sikhs of Pothohar are also here in the UK.

Only someone who has had his head buried in the sand for the last decade or so or who has no understanding of the dynamics of Islam and what Islam has done to the Sikhs throughout their history would write such drivel. I must say you are an ideal dhimmi, a willing slave.

There is a difference between Khatri Sikhs in Punjab and those of Delhi. The Dal Khalsa in it's early days was dominated by Khatri Sikhs. Gajinder Singh was a famous leader of theirs who hijacked a plane to Pakistan and was jailed there for many years. A large majority of Khatris of Delhi are the likes of Khushwant Singh (both daughters married to Hindus), Manmohan Singh (2 out of 3 daughters married to Hindus) On the subject of the Delhi 1984 genocide, some of the accused of the transistor bomb blasts of May 1985 which were placed on DTC Buses (which were used to ferry mobs to Sikh colonies during the violence) and slums (from where mobs were collected) as well trains were Khatri Sikhs of Delhi.

This is mainly because of people like Khushwant Singh who wrote his 'History of the Sikhs' in the late 1950s. It was he who through his articles presented the culture of his area of Pothohar as being the norm for all of the Punjab which it clearly wasn't. This is why in the 1980s you had all those Hindu journalists in Delhi writing about how the two communities of Sikhs and Hindus were interlinked with the eldest son of a Hindu family becoming a Sikh and intermarriage between these two communities being common. In the rural areas of Majha and Malwa this would have been laughable as most of the Hindus that Sikhs came across were Bahmans and Banias. The intermarriage was common in Pothohar and mainly because most of the Sikhs of that area had gone from being Sehajdharis to Keshadharis through the parchar of Baba Khem Singh Bedi and Sant Attar Singh as well as the Singh Sabha in Rawalpindi. The Hindus in the area were also mostly Sehajdharis and it was only after the Arya samaj came to the area that the Hindus became more committed Hindus. The eldest son as a Sikh tradition is probably based around the 'sukhna' tradition when many Hindu/Sehajdhari women who had not given birth to sons would go to a local Sikh Baba and then wish for a son and make a vow to raise that son as a Sikh. If a son was born then he would be raised a Sikh but if after that other sons came along then as the vow was only for the first son then these sons would remain plain Hindu/Sehajdharis. This is not to say that Sikh women from Keshadhari families did not do 'sukhna' but as they were already in Keshadari families there was no need for them to make a 'sukhna' for the eldest son to be a Sikh. So when these families for Pothohar migrated to Delhi the local Hindu assumed that there must be a tradition in Hindu families to raise their eldest son as a Sikh. Added to this tradition was also the fact that one of the Hindu leaders in the 1920s had asked each Punjab Hindu family to make one of their sons a Sikh as the Hindus had been particularly worsted by the Muslims in a communal riot in Multan. This may have als given rise or at least added weight to the claim that the Sikhs or Khalsa was founded to protect the Hindus.

A large part (60%) of the Kasur tehsil of Lahore district was included in East Punjab in 1947 and this probably did some justice to the owners of the land in that tehsil as 63% of the land belonged to the Sikhs compared to only 30% belonging to Muslims.

There a Punjabi joke from the 80s about the differences between Punjabi words in some of the areas of Punjab. I'll translate it into English but keep the key phrases in Punjabi. Once a new teacher was appointed from a far away area to a village school. He was teaching Punjabi to the children and asking each child to repeat after him as he pointed to a picture for each Punjabi letter of the Punjabi alphabet. He started off .. OORHA -- OOTH pointing to a picture of a Camel. The first child looked at the picture and shouted.. OORHA -- BOTA The teacher was taken aback but then repeated again OORHA -- OOTH pointing to a picture of a Camel again The child again shouted OORHA -- BOTA The teacher was really disappointed at this and asked the child to bring his father with him the next day. The child brought his father with him the next morning and the teacher told the father that he was really disappointed with the child and wanted the father to observe the lesson. Again as before the teacher shouted OORHA -- OOTH pointing to a picture of a Camel. The child looked at the picture and shouted.. OORHA -- BOTA The teacher then went up to the child's father and said "see how much of a mistake he is making" The father looked at the child and shouted " Oi Moorkha tainu ni disda eh BOTI hai"!

Good advice. But I think your mother tongue is the language you THINK in. So my suggestion is the OP is that he should try and think in Punjabi as well. As we think more than we ever speak then he will basically be conversing to himself in Punjabi all the time and and not only will it improve his language skills but also he will, when conversing with another Punjabi dispense with thinking about his reply in English and then converting it into Punjabi. Also youtube videos are a great help especially with increasing your vocabulary especially current affairs channels such as Surinder Singh's Talking Punjab, Jus Punjabi, Global Punjab TV. Also watching the Sikh channels helps a lot as well.