Carpe Diem

i think this is typical : "if she hasnt helped Sikhs, why should we give a damn?" "Probley breeding terrorists"? First of all, learn how to spell properly. Secondly, you dont know that for sure so dont comment on what you dont know about (said in a nice way). She helped Rajiv Gandhi - tell me where shes said that she helped to kill innocent Sikhs? Im sorry, but the world isnt as black and white as some of you like to think. theres a world behind a world and i dont think the kind of person she comes accross to me, that she would purposely kill innocent people. Thats my view anyway. if you disagree... o well.

May Maharaj bless her and her family, particularily her three young children.

Some of the kirtan on there is really uplifting! thanks S!ngh

Seems to be working now. Amazing amount of images...!!

That is truly amazing. Beautiful...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/7149322.stm Fresh probe into India politician A court in the Indian capital Delhi has ordered a fresh investigation into the alleged role of a former central minister in anti-Sikh riots of 1984. The court directed the Central Bureau of Investigation to probe the alleged role of Jagdish Tytler, a month after a case against him was closed. However, a witness said recently he saw Mr Tytler lead a mob against Sikhs. The riots, sparked by the assassination of PM Indira Gandhi by Sikh bodyguards, left more than 3,000 Sikhs dead. Mr Tytler is a MP with the ruling Congress party, and has consistently denied any role in the rioting. 'No evidence' In November, the Central Bureau of Investigation (CBI), India's top central detective agency, closed a case against Mr Tytler saying there was "no evidence" or "witness" to establish that he had a role in the rioting. However, Jasbir Singh, who lives in California, recently claimed that he saw Mr Tytler lead a mob on a Sikh temple in Delhi during the riots. Three Sikhs were burnt to death in the attack on the temple. Mr Singh, who lost 26 family members in the rioting, left the country after the incident. Now the court has asked the CBI to carry out a fresh investigation into Mr Tytler's alleged role and submit a report by 16 January. Mr Tytler was earlier implicated by a judicial commission set up to investigate the 1984 killings. The report, by retired Supreme Court judge GT Nanavati, was the ninth inquiry commission into the riots, and was set up in 2000 by the then governing Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) which is now in opposition. The inquiry found "credible evidence" against Mr Tytler and recommended further investigation into his role. Mr Tytler submitted his resignation as a minister for expatriate Indians after being implicated in the riots. He said he had resigned to have his "name cleared".

lol thats a cute cake, have to admit!

Have to admit i am very upset about this. Does anyone have this "Doctors" number? He cant be representing Sikhs and make stupid statements like that. I think we need more of a reaction from Gursikhs about this because this is really not on. I noticed a rep from Sikh Federation has commented in this thread. Will Sikh Federation take this up as a case and force resignation of this guy as a Sikh rep?

Why segregate yourself from the rest of the communities?

LOL i read this as well and i put it down to faith. Could be takin the mick too i guess, but seems more like faith. Hey, it'll be interesting if they do appear though. That'll shut everyone up eh?! I reckon we should get two Sikhsangat members to dress up as Gods and pay 'em a visit. Whos gonna volunteer?!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7132218.stm UK Prime Minister Gordon Brown is boycotting an EU-Africa summit in Lisbon because it is being attended by Zimbabwe's president Robert Mugabe. Mr Brown has said he will not sit at the same table as Mr Mugabe, because of his human rights record. But European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso attacked the move saying leaders should be prepared to meet people of whom they do not approve. The UK has accused Mr Mugabe of human rights abuses and rigging elections. Mr Mugabe faces a travel ban in Europe but he was allowed to attend the summit after African leaders threatened to stay away if he was not invited. Africa relations Mr Barroso criticised Mr Brown's decision to stay away from the summit, saying: "If you are an international leader then you are going to have to be prepared, on occasion, to meet some people your mother would not like you to meet. "That is what we have to do from time to time." There's no doubt that this summit would become a media circus if the prime minister of Britain were there with Robert Mugabe Baroness Amos And European Parliament president, Hans-Gert Poettering, said relations between Africa and the EU were more important than Mr Mugabe's presence at the meeting. But former international development secretary Baroness Amos, who will be attending the summit in Mr Brown's place, told BBC Radio 4's Today programme it was right that the prime minister stood up for his principles. Highest inflation "Every leader makes his or her own decision about who they will meet and the circumstances in which they meet them. "There's no doubt that this summit would become a media circus if the prime minister of Britain were there with Robert Mugabe," said the Labour peer. Zimbabwe's official inflation is given at around 8,000% - the highest in the world and Mr Brown has said President Mugabe had to take full responsibility for the collapse of the country's economy. The two-day Lisbon summit will include the launch of a new partnership between the EU and Africa to tackle issues such as development, good governance, peace, security, migration, energy and climate change. The EU will also be attempting to draw up a number of new trade agreements with individual African countries and regional blocs.

Its like... there are jobs such as law - ure representing a client who is paying you to get them off the hook, even though they may have admitted to you or you know that they are guilty. You could be an accountant whos asked to take on a client who runs casinos, gentlemens clubs etc. You could be a truck driver who has to transport cigarettes, alcohol or meat. You could be a designer whos asked to design a cover for an indecent magazine. I think each situation you have to look at individually than totally rule it out...

I think if times are hard and you have to do it for your families survival, then maybe its ok. I know first hand how it can be. But i think if you are healthy with enough to get by in your life, then dont buy one. You will have to touch n sell meat, cigs and booze on a daily basis... not to mention stuff like lottery and scratch cards which is a form of gambling. Best to steer clear from it and not put yourself in that kind of position anyway.

I believe that life and creation is the result of Ardaas as well. I believe that our every limb in is thanks to Guru Jee and all praise to Him. So therefore, i think if we have been given it by Guru Jee, then it is well within our right to use it as well as doing Ardaas. Guru Nanak Dev Jee travelled thousands of miles on foot - if he wanted to educate the masses from His own abode, He could have done - because he was "aap Narayan kala taar jag meh parvariyo" - He was Vaheguroo Himself and had the power to do anything. But He set the example of what we (mortals) can and should do... so lets follow His example and use what gifts we have been given to spread the Word of Gurbani. Forgive my mistakes

I agree with Kaal Tuhi with this point. I think too many people "talk" than walk the walk. In this case, people rabbit on about things on the internet etc but dont actively take part themselves in the REAL WORLD. Its like organising a mass protest and not turning up because you dont wanna miss the latest episode of The Simpsons. HOWEVER, i do believe raising issues on the net can have some use - which is dependent on the situation in hand. You need to analyse every situation and scenario on its own basis and merit.

More double trouble <_< Congratulations! Wkd interview

I am shocked by some responses here. Cant we at least try and do something as a nation?

http://www.sikhroots.com/index.php?option=...3&Itemid=68

Jesus brought people closer to God. You may not agree with everything he done or said, but devoted Christians are good, honest, kind, loyal people. So, I for one, commemorate the birth of a "saint" who created such a breed of man.

Just wanted to raise awareness to todays celebrations marking 311 years since the birth of Sahibzada Zorawar Singh. Here is a post from Sikhiwiki : ZORAWAR SINGH (1696-1705), the third son of Guru Gobind Singh, was born to Mata Jito ji (also known as Mata Sundari ji) at Anandpur on 28 November 1696 and was barely nine years old at the time of the evacuation of Anandpur on the night of 5-6 December 1705. Since the death, on 5 December 1700, of Mata Jito ji, Mata Gujari, his grandmother had been especially attached to young Zorawar Singh and his infant brother, Fateh Singh. She took charge of both as the column moved out of Anandpur. While crossing on horseback the rivulet Sirsa, then in spate, the three were separated from Guru Gobind Singh. Their cook, Gangu, who had also succeeded in crossing the stream, escorted them to his own house in the village of Kheri, now known as Saheri, near Morinda in presentday Ropar district. While unsaddling the horse he saw that there was some valuables in the saddlebag. This tempted him to treachery. He not only stole the saddlebag during the night, but also planned to betray the fugitives to the government in hope of a reward. On the morning of 7 December 1705, the day of the fateful battle of Chamkaur, Baba Zorawar Singh ji, along with Baba Fateh Singh ji and their grandmother, was taken into custody by Jani Khan and Mani Khan Ranghar, the officials at Morinda. They were despatched on the following day to Sirhind where they were consigned to the Cold Tower (Thanda Burj) of the Fort. On 9 December 1705, Baba Zorawar Singh ji and Baba Fateh Singh ji were produced before the faujdaar, Nawab Wazir Khan, who had just returned from Chamkaur with his feudal ally, Nawab Sher Muhammad Khan of Malerkotla. Wazir Khan tried to lure the Sahibzadas to embrace Islam with promises of riches and honours, but they spurned the suggestion. He then threatened them with death, but they remained undaunted. Death sentence was finally pronounced. Upon Sher Muhammad Khan's intercession for the innocent children to be spared their lives, they were given some more time to ponder over the suggestion to convert. Sahibzada Zorawar Singh ji and his brother spent another two days of severe winter in their old grandmother's lap in the Cold Tower. Still adamant, they were, on 11 December 1705, ordered to be sealed alive in a wall. According to tradition, as the masonry around their tender bodies reached chest high, it crumbled. The Sahibzadas were sent to the Cold Tower again for the night. The next day, 12 December 1705, the alternative of conversion being again turned down, Baba Zorawar Singh ji and Baba Fateh Singh ji were martyrd by sealing alive in a wall. The aged Mata Gujari Kaur ji, who had all along been kept in the Cold Tower, only a little distance away, breathed her last as the news reached her ears. Mata Gujari Kaur ji through upbringing of her grandsons played such an important role in Sikhism that as Sikhs, we can owe our existence to her. It was due to her teachings that 6 year old and 9 year old did not bulge from their Dharma and attained martyrdom., thus continuing and emphasizing the institute of martyrdom in Sikhism. Seth Todar Mall, a wealthy merchant of Sirhind, performed the cremation of the three dead bodies the following day. The site of the fateful happenings, since christened Fatehgarh Sahib, close to the old town of Sirhind, is now marked by four Sikh shrines. A religious fair is held here from 25 to 28 December every year to honour the memory of the martyrs.

Lets be fair and honest here - he did help in bringing keertanis over. Back in the day when the jathas came over he also backed visas etc too as he was in a position to do so. So credit to him for that. And i hope he does come back up on top of things. Also, condolences to him and his family if they are in mourning over a loved one.

The key word is "sangat". "Sangats" money. The Saadh Sangat (The True Sangat) would never ever allow this to happen. But i think you have used the term quite loosely. Sangat isnt just any monah-konah (sorry if i offend neone) off the street who calls themselves sangat because they go there to "pray". Sangat, IMHO, consist of Gursikhs and those that live according to Gurmat. If you had a panel full of amrit-dhari Singhs and Singhnia voting for this motion, it most likely wouldnt go ahead. But i reckon theres a lot of "sehaj-dhaari" people influencing the decisions that are made. I may be totally wrong, so forgive me if i am.

I was surprised to hear that Reuben Singh has gone bankrupt. For those of you havent heard of him he's been quite good for Sikhi in the past, especially in the UK, where he would bring over the top name keertanis from India. It seems he was a bit of a fantasist though when it came to his wealth. He was indeed a millionaire, but self-proclaimed billionaire, who was hoping to beat Bill Gates. The actual move for bankruptcy could be strategic to his businesses etc but it seems he has HUGE debts. Heres what wikipedia says about him... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reuben_Singh "Reuben Singh, (born 20 September 1976, Manchester, England), is a British entrepreneur, who became famous for his Miss Attitude and alldaypa companies, but more recently for controversy surrounding his wealth and dealings. In October 2007 he filed for bankruptcy. He calls himself Dr. Reuben Singh although it is not known in which field he has a doctorate."

Damn. What is that all about?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/7093338.stm Girlfriend 'killed pregnant wife' Sana Ali was 11 weeks pregnant A pregnant teenager was stabbed to death in her bedroom in a ferocious and sustained attack by her husband's secret lover, a court heard. Harmohinder Kaur Sanghera, of Solihull, West Midlands, stabbed her boyfriend's wife in "jealousy and desperation", Manchester Crown Court heard. Sana Ali, 17, of Bury, Greater Manchester, received 42 wounds. The court heard Ms Sanghera, who denies murder, had been having an affair with Mrs Ali's husband Sair since July 2005. Mr Peter Wright QC, prosecuting, told the court that the relationship continued despite the Alis' arranged marriage in December last year. Stabbed in stomach Mr Wright said Mrs Ali's murderer had deliberately lifted her top and stabbed her in her abdomen at her Throstle Grove home. She was 11 weeks pregnant. "The deeply personal element points unhappily, and unequivocally, to the identity of the killer being the defendant," he said. He said the relationship between Mr Ali and Ms Sanghera, a 23-year-old dentistry student in Birmingham, ended after the attack in May this year. Mrs Ali was born in Pakistan and had been considered to marry her cousin who was also a Shia Muslim, the court heard. This was borne of jealousy and desperation Peter Wright QC Prosecuting Mr Ali and Ms Sanghera, a Sikh known as Mindy, started a relationship in 2005, but hid it from his parents. Mr Wright said: "He did not tell the defendant he was engaged to be married. "As the relationship became more serious Sair used religion as a pretence for a reason why it could not last." In December 2006 when Mr Ali got married Ms Sanghera became suspicious and Mr Ali told her he was engaged. In March Mr Ali told her his wife was pregnant, but Ms Sanghera said she would become his second wife. The pair had a muta marriage ceremony - a temporary arrangement which means they could live as husband and wife for a specified time. 'Alive and well' The time limit ran out on 16 May - five days after Mrs Ali was killed. On 10 May Ms Sanghera told a friend she was going to end the relationship and tell Mrs Ali about their affair. When arrested, Ms Sanghera told police Mrs Ali let her in after telling her she was an ex-girlfriend of her husband and had sent a teddy bear to him. Ms Sanghera said Mrs Ali was "alive and well, if not a little upset" when she left the house. Mr Wright said: "It is the Crown's case that this was no murder by a random psychopath who happened to pass after Sanghera left. The case continues.