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  1. When the ‘Wild’ proved more educated By Hema on February 19, 2010 When the British conquered Lahore in 1849, Lord Dalhousie, the Governor General, declared that he would educate the “wild illiterate Punjabis” in a new system of Anglo-Vernacular education. When they started the East India Company Board was shocked by what already existed. The board was amazed to find that the literacy rate in Lahore and its suburbs was over 80 per cent, and this was qualified by the description that this 80 per cent comprised of people who could write a letter. Today, in 2010, less than nine per cent can do this, while 38 per cent can sign their name, and, thus, are officially ‘literate’. If you happen to read Arnold Woolner’s book ‘History of Indigenous Education in the Punjab’ you will come across some amazing facts we today just do not know. To understand the situation it would interest scholars to go through the ‘A.C. Woolner Collection in the Punjab University Library. My review is a scant one. But studying other similar pieces provides a picture of the educational system as it existed in Lahore in 1849 when the British took over. The publication ‘The Marquis of Dalhousie’s Administration of British India’ provides an amazing quote (page 345): “The board discovered to its surprise that the incidence of literacy in Punjab was higher than any other place in India. In Lahore city alone there were 16 elementary schools for girls alone, and to our amazement we discovered that co-educational schools were aplenty”. Mind you we are fact is also mentioned by the great Sir Aurel Stein, a former principal of the Oriental College, Lahore, in his research on the ‘great game’ where he described the teaching excellence of the Vedas and Dharma Sutras in the Hindu educational institutions of Lahore. The Sikh schools, the Muslim ‘madrassahs’ and the Hindu schools catered to the latest developments in mathematics and astronomy, all of which assisted the Sikh rulers maintain an edge over the British in the rest of India. We also know from the book ‘Punjabi Grammar’ compiled by Dr. Carry of Fort Williams College, Calcutta, in 1812, that it based its grammar from the farmed ‘Punjabi Qaida’, which was made compulsory for all Punjabi women to read during the reign of Maharajah Ranjit Singh. Every village ‘lambardar’ made sure that every female in every village had a copy of the ‘qaida’, which made sure that literacy was in-built into the Punjabi State at the family level. After taking over, the EIC Board allowed the ‘madrasahs’ at even the village level to continue to operate. However, to enforce the English language as the base for all State functions, which seemed the sensible thing for the English to do in order to rule effectively, central schools for higher education were set up. The model for this came, initially, in the shape of the Rang Mahal School by Ewing, and then by the Central Model School at Lower Mall. But the most detailed study of the educational system in place in Lahore before the British took over came in the shape of the research undertaken by Dr. Leitner, the first principal and founder of Government College, Lahore and the Punjabi University. The eminent linguist described in some detail how the ‘Punjabi Qaida’ was removed from the scene, at even the village level, after the events of 1857, when it was felt that unless Punjabi was removed as the language of first choice, the ‘wild Punjabis’ would soon overcome the British. Both Leitner and John Lawrence disagreed with this strategy, while Henry Lawrence, Dalhousie and Montogomery wanted a military solution to “end Punjabi educational dominance once English was introduced”. In the de-militarisation of the Punjab, “over 120,000 cartloads of arms and swords were confiscated”, and in the process, says Edwardes and Merville in their publication of 1867 (page 433-34) it was thought important “to make sure militant Punjabis – Sikhs, Muslim and Hindus – and their language, were crushed by removing not only all arms and swords, but more importantly their books, which were all burnt”. Sir Aurel Stein described how a wealth of books on mathematics and astronomy were lost in this ‘action’. For those still interested, samples of those books can be found in the Punjab Public Library. But which sort of schools and ‘madrassahs’ and ‘shawalas’ existed in Lahore before the British came in 1849 to ‘civilise’ the people of this ancient city? The Muslim ‘madrassahs’ were located at every ‘guzzar’ and the madrassahs opened by the family of fakir azizuddin were considered among the most modern in the entire subcontinent. They not only taught Punjabi, Arabic, Persian and Urdu languages, they also, at the elementary level, excelled at mathematics. Thus the basics of the logical transfer of knowledge had already been laid at the basic level. It now seems that the British, against the popular belief, actually destroyed this structure, to forever dent the ‘formal learning institutions’ available to the Punjabi people. Higher mathematics and astronomy, as well as chemistry and physics, not to mention history and geography, were taught in these’ madrassahs’. The Punjab Public Library has a few beautiful leather-bound books of that time period in the reference section. Just for the record, these were bound in the square opposite the mosque of Wazir Khan, now consumed by illegal structures. For those interested in the classics, you will know that the British Museum Library has ample examples of ‘Lahore Classics’, all hand-written and those edges are painted in floral designs. The research carried out by Lord Osbourne (1804-1888) in his description of the “Court and Camp of Ranjeet Singh’ describes how well-educated his camp-followers were. The same can be seen in the article on the subject by Sir Henry Griffin. The Dogra brothers who ruled the Punjab in important positions were leaders in setting up Hindus schools, just as among the Sikhs the Majhathia Malwai and Dhanna Singh families led in the setting up of schools for Sikhs, which also admitted Muslim and Hindu students. A few of them were co-educational, which was revolutionary for their concept at that time. It seems the French influence was also a reason for this. In the years 2010 when the teaching of history is no longer allowed, where the exact sciences are deliberately avoided in the official syllabus, and where the system of examinations have created two distinct social and economic classes – Urdu and English medium – a study of our past in terms of its educational achievements needs to be undertaken by every child, so that we can pick up where we left off almost 160 years ago. By Majid Sheikh Dawn, Sunday, 24 January 2010, Lahore Metropolitan Page # 16 http://news.ukpha.org/2010/02/when-the-wild-proved-more-educated/
  2. Does anyone know any former students who went to the Akal Academy at Baru Sahib located in Himachal Pradesh? I keep on reading online reviews about the place which are full of positive feedback left by people who claims it is a top notch boarding school.
  3. I think we should send our children for year to be educated in Punjab, so they understand Sikhi culture, grow a bond with their homeland, learn to read/write Gurmukhi. I have noticed a few of these parchar on YouTube spent a lot of years back home. Jagraj Singh from basics of Sikhi and Satpal Singh both are two that come to mind. I know Muslims used to do this back in the day, dont know about now. Seen a few posts about the youth of today, and this popped in my head.
  4. We need to come up with an idea of building more religious sikh schools in Punjab as a way to teach our children about their history just like how we have these catholic school system in Canada. I did go to a catholic school and although they barely taught anything useful or convincing about Christianity(I mean anyone would be put off the religion by the rudeness of half of the people there) but we can follow a similar model in punjab where sikh parents can send their children to such schools so that they dont get brainwashed by these secular schools which tell them they shouldn't care about their religion and fellow Sikhs. What do you all think.? That is why muslims are more successful because they put it into the minds of their children from a very young age to give importance to their religion.
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    Back into education

    Sangat ji, I was just wondering if anybody has experience going back into education in their 20's/30's? I'm currently employed, but finding the working hours difficult and in these uncertain times, I'm grateful to even have a job. However, I can't see myself doing this these shifts for the long term. Realistically, It would take me around 4 years to retrain. With all things considered, I wondering if it is worth it?
  6. An exploration of the Sikh teachings and how to live them in the 21st century. Practical steps to live a fuller life according to the Guru’s Teachings. The podcast is aiming at stripping away the complications that have come to be. https://m.facebook.com/thesikhcoach/about/?ref=page_internal&mt_nav=0
  7. SSA Ji, My name is Kuljit Singh Grewal. I am the founder and CEO of Sikh Profit Academy. Our mission is to positively impact the lives of 1 MILLION Sikhs world round. We want to help our sangat live better, be better and do better in life. For us, profit is defined as a good result or advantage that can be achieved by a particular action or activity. We have put together the following 3 TOTALLY FREE TRAINING PROGRAMS as a thank you to EVERYONE WHO LIKES AND SUPPORTS sikhsangat.com. 5 WAYS TO SKYROCKET YOUR CHILD’S GRADES 2 TIPS TO DOUBLE YOUR READING SPEED IN 1 HOUR FIND A WINNING AMAZON PRODUCT TO SELL IN 15 MINUTES We all know someone who could benefit from any of these training sessions. Please check them out and let us know what you think by CHECKING OUT OUR HOMEPAGE. Thank you Kuljit Grewal
  8. Can a Non-Sikh student enroll in the educational programs described in this article? https://www.hindustantimes.com/punjab/ht-spotlight-damdami-taksal-32-years-after-operation-bluestar/story-RSvqUm5UX7gtvzblrtKk4M.html
  9. The RSS saffronisation of Punjab institutes continues unhindered :
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    Kids I Hide I Kaam

    WJKK WJKF Sadh sangat ji. My quaestion is how you deal kaam or sex thoughts with your children. today scenario is completely change. Today kids and children talk about sex with each other. like for example : - talk about sex etc etc because now days its very difficult to control over there because of facebook, whatsapp and youtube. but my quastion is how you people or parent teach your child according to gursikh amritdhari and khalsa need your help. regards, Gur sangat kini khalsa
  11. I started this thread because I think we need to invest into Punjab and fix it, Punjab needs Literate youths, more education, more industries, destroyal of the caste system, we need to fix the Drug and Water Crisis, A excellent link to some videos have been sent to me in my messages. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZKK3T484Kg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwWHyVy2eJY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZhFTMeS22g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29XNCfwidMI And the same user made a great post about this problem in the Khalistan thread. What are some ways we can Fix Punjab, name some problems and solutions, some organizations that is fixing punjab, and we need to actually invest money and donate and help the cause instead of just talking about it on the forums, We together as a community can not only fix punjab and help the youth but we can make India and the Future a better place together!
  12. Logic and reason form the basis gyan. Do we need to study more?
  13. WJKK WJKF, Ever since I've gotten into sikhi I have started thinking their isn't much use in education. Im not saying education is useless and everyone should not go to school. Im trying to say people put too much stress on education than sikhi. The things we learn in school arnt going to be of any use after we die, but the naam we japed and the things we learned from bani will. For example ever since I was young my parents said their is only use in education and nothing else, but if they had put that much emphasize on sikhi than education who knows where i would be. What are your thoughts on this? Do you think I am wrong? Do you think I am right? Honestly I dont know if I am right or wrong. Sometimes I think I am right; sometimes wrong.
  14. Pretty self explanatory. I was reading something on societies where there's a discernible class divide between northern and southern territories, and in most cases where the levels of education were low (what people are quick to label as 'backwards') the religious fervour and adherence was at its peak, whereas in areas where there are greater numbers of educated professionals there is a noticeable relaxation in religious adherence. Opinions on why that might be the case? Anyone else disturbed by the suggestion that religious adherence suggests a lack of intelligence (if measured by one's location, employment, environment, etc?) Why does a life lived religiously presuppose a distinct disadvantage in getting ahead in life (if "getting ahead" is measured by a high level of education, a professional job, and the resultant social and financial benefits). There are exceptions in many cases. This is just a broad, generalised look at issues. All types of replies welcome; spiritual, empirical, whatever.
  15. I was thinking that what is a difference between guru and prophit. I was told by many that there are many diffrences between guru and prophit can someone tell me what are those.
  16. one of the reasons I believe most youth don't attend gurdwaras and most people only attend gurdwaras for functions is cause lack of good teachers a good teacher makes a subject exciting to learn for everyone and takes complex matters and simplifies them one of the problems with western education in the school system is lack of good teachers I remember khalsa camps being boring and sneaking away with friends I hated it and a lot of these khalsa camps havn't changed accept for a few what can be done to produce more inspirational teachers ive heard the excuse that a lot of Sikhs today are agnostic or atheist and don't really believe or know if their is a god that doesn't matter cause Sikh philosophy if understood inspires everyone from believers to non believers
  17. By no means is this post intended to hurt the patriotism of these respective nations, but I just cannot help myself and criticize their education system. In India, under 'the great reformer', BJP, a new educational booklet has been published. The Tejomay Bharat aims to teach: STEM CELL RESEARCH In case you didn’t know this, Stem Cell Research, for example, dates back to the Mahabharat and the Vedic times. The text book explains, by citing the text of the mythological epic-poem which Hindus consider gospel: “… Kunti had a bright son like the sun itself. When Gandhari, who had not been able to conceive for two years, learnt of this, she underwent an abortion. From her womb a huge mass of flesh came out. (Rishi - sage) Dwaipayan Vyas was called. He observed this hard mass of flesh and then he preserved it in a cold tank with specific medicines. He then divided the mass of flesh into 100 parts and kept them separately in 100 tanks full of ghee for two years. After two years, 100 Kauravas were born of it ... This was found in India thousands of years ago.” [Page 92-93, Tejomay Bharat] TELEVISION Of course … it was invented by - er - Hindus - during the Mahabharat times. “Indian rishis using their yog vidya would attain divya drishti. There is no doubt that the invention of television goes back to this… In Mahabharata, Sanjaya sitting inside a palace in Hastinapur and using his divya shakti would give a live telecast of the battle of Mahabharata… to the blind Dhritarashtra”. [Page 64] THE AUTOMOBILE “What we know today as the motorcar existed during the Vedic period. It was called anashva rath. Usually a rath (chariot) is pulled by horses but an anashva rath means the one that runs without horses or yantra-rath, what is today a motorcar. The Rig Veda refers to this…” [Page 60] The 125-page book, Tejomay Bharat, that these passages are excerpted from was recently mandated as supplementary reading by the Gujarat government for all government primary and secondary schools. Published by the Gujarat State School Textbook Board(GSSTB), the book seeks to teach children “facts” about history, science, geography, religion and other “basics”. Tejomay Bharat (literally, Shining India) is to be distributed along with eight books written by Dina Nath Batra, a member of the national executive of Vidya Bharati (Indian Education), the educational wing of the RSS, which is the ideological base of the current government and ruling party. Batra’s books, translated into Gujarati and published by the GSSTB, have also been mandated as supplementary reading by the state government. Each of these books carries a customised message from Prime Minister Narendra Modi (then chief minister), while Batra’s books praise him and the GSSTB. Tejomay Bharat carries a message from Modi praising the GSSTB for republishing the book. The book has chapters such as Adhyatmik Bharat (spiritual India), Akhand Bharat (undivided India), Vigyanmay Bharat (scientific India), and Samarth Bharat (competent India). The book’s content advisor is Harshad Shah, vice-chancellor ofChildrens’ University in Gandhinagar who was Gujarat chairman of Vidya Bharti till 2006. The review committee includes Ruta Parmar and Rekha Chudasama, both associated with Vidya Bharati. Vice-chancellor Shah explains: “Tejomay Bharat gives an insight to students about our rich culture, heritage, spiritualism and patriotism. The language has been kept simple, which is apt for students. These are to be given free of cost to all schools, while 5,000 copies priced at Rs 73 ($1.40) have been prepared for those other than students.” Asked how schools would reconcile the “facts” of Tejomay Bharat with the NCERT syllabus, the Deputy Commissioner, Kendriya Vidyalaya Sangathan, Ahmedabad region, P Dev Kumar, said, “Being a government servant, I am here to follow and implement government policies. Though we have not been told of any change in the NCERT curriculum for this academic session, if there is any for the next year, we have to wait and watch.” Tejomay Bharat also objects to the country being called India. “We should not demean ourselves by calling our beloved Bharatbhoomi by the shudra (low-caste) name ‘India’. What right had the British to change the name of this country?… We should not fall for this conspiracy and forget the soul of our country [Page 53].” There’s more. ON BIRTHDAYS “Birthdays should be celebrated by shunning the western culture of blowing candles. Instead, we should follow a purely Indian culture by wearing swadeshi clothes, doing a havan and praying to ishtadev (preferred deity), reciting mantras such as Gayatri mantra, distributing new clothes to the needy, feeding cows, distributing prasad and winding up the day by playing songs produced by Vidya Bharati.” [Page 59] LANGUAGE POLICY “The current language policy allows for the domination of English language which results in Sanskrit being sidelined. By not learning Sanskrit, students will be deprived of the vast knowledge that our epics have on our culture.” “The mother tongue should be the first language with 20 per cent aside for Sanskrit, Hindi should be the second language … and Sanskrit or any other foreign language should be the third language.” [shikshan nu Bhartiyakaran (Indianisation of Education), Chapter on “National Unity and Education“] NATIONAL HOLIDAYS These should include August 14, Pakistan’s Independence Day, which should be celebrated as “Akhand Bharat Smriti Divas”. Because “Undivided India is the truth, divided India is a lie. Division of India is unnatural and it can be united again… MAP OF INDIA Drawing a map of India? Make sure you include Pakistan, Afghanistan, Nepal, Bhutan, Tibet, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and Myanmar. These are part of undivided India or “Akhand Bharat”. [Page 49] * * * * * If the name Dina Nath Batra, the author of these brilliant text books, rings a bell, there’s a reason why. Batra’s civil suit earlier this year had led to the pulping of American scholar Wendy Doniger’s book on Hinduism. Batra asked India’s Supreme Court to ban the book. Penguin, the publisher, caved in and withdrew the book, promising to destroy all of the copies left in stock. (Courtesy of the Times of India). Then we have the Pasthuns in Pakistan attempting to reintegrate themselves in the Afghani psyche and claiming they have been the perpetual victors in any conflict which they have engaged in. http://historyofpashtuns.blogspot.com/2014/07/afghan-sikh-wars.html?m=1 (the bright spark beyond this posted this on a thread in this forum). Myths and facts with the facts hidden. http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?/topic/75089-battle-of-saragarhi-myths-and-facts/ Indian battles with Pakistan: Who won Kargill? In Pakistan you will most likely be told Pakistan. It may surprise you that under Maharajah Ranjit Singh 68-72 Bungas (Twarikh-E-Amritsar) ringed Darbar Sahib teaching an unbiased curriculum in philosophy, Gurmat, Vedanta, Islamic philosophy etc. Islamic schools in Batala and Sialkot, under the patronage of Ranjit Singh, ran famed courses which were attended by students from Arabia, Persia etc. Ironically that, and the colonial period, is probably the last time in sub-continental history that education remained free of religious bigotry, and political radicalism.
  18. Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh Just two days after the India was shocked over the video of a principal at a Hyderabad-based school mercilessly caning three visually challenged children, a private tutor at Lake Town in the northern fringes of Kolkata was caught torturing a three-and-half-year-old on CCTV. This is disturbing... https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=541868952609495
  19. BOSS SIKHI CAMP FRIDAY 22nd - WEDNESDAY 27th AUGUST 2014 Are you constantly checking your whatsapp to see if anyone’s updated their profile? Does the dust settling on your desk interest you more than the work sitting on top of it? Have you watched so many youtube videos you’re convinced you’ve actually burnt a bit of your retina?! What you need my friend, is a summer break! The onset of spring brings with it another joy – planning out the glorious summer ahead. And what better way to end it than with BOSS SIKHI CAMP 2014! Since the first Sikhi Camp in 1996, thousands of students and adults have enjoyed the experience of this unique Sikh retreat. Not convinced? Well, have you ever? • Wanted to learn more about your heritage but perhaps don’t know where to start… • Wanted a week away from the chahas, puas, maser’s and random pindus… • Wanted to understand what is said at your local Gurdwara but don’t understand Panjabi… • Wanted to connect with other likeminded people of your age but don’t know where to find them… • Wanted to volunteer but felt too intimidated by the Gurdwara aunties and uncles… • Wanted to learn more about Sikhi but felt judged going to a Gurdwara… If you’ve answered yes to any of these then SIKHI CAMP is definitely for you! Think: • 6 impressive days of Sun Sea and Sand! • 6 days of soul searching, side splitting laughter and exhilarating activities. • 6 days of connecting with like-minded people, understanding your roots and taking a break from it. • 6 days to fill your mind with knowledge, hearts with love and bellies with fabulous food! • 6 days to discover who you are and understand how we are all connected. If you want to find out what all the fuss is about then head over to www.sikhicamp.org. You’ll find videos and photos from camps over the years, you can find out more details and most importantly you can apply online! (That’s right - no Desi call centre, no fiddly forms to post in; just pure online magic!) But be quick – places are limited and always sell out quick. The 6 day retreat costs just £109. (Includes accommodation at a picturesque location by the sea, all activities, all meals AND free transport from locations across the UK.) This is the cheapest Sikh retreat per night in the UK! So; what’s stopping you? Apply right now! You won’t regret it!* (*99% of all Sikhi Campers in 2013 said they would definitely recommend BOSS Sikhi Camp to their friends!) www.sikhicamp.org Sikh Spirit: Catch it! info@sikhicamp.org / 07935 900546
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    Survey For Masters Course

    WJKK WJKF I understand this is potentially not the correct forum section to be posting this in (if so mods please advise/move to correct section), but I was wondering if there are any parents out there who could please take 2-3 mins of their time to fill in my questionnaire for my Masters: http://mbs.qualtrics.com/SE/?SID=SV_ageJYazwiHOVXQF Sincere Thanks WJKK WJKF
  21. I came across this today looks good: http://clubpunjabi.com/Default.aspx http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaVBiDiVqVs
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