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I was speaking to ma muslim mate yea, we were talkin bout death nd shi, he oes sumut bout Da Angel of Death Izrail, and dat got me think do we believe in Izrail , well not Believe in him , so we know he exist, and do we call him Izrail??

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Guru Nanak Ji spoke the language of the people.

Guru Granth Sahib ji uses the culture, mythology and practices of people (e.g. hindus and muslims) to explain the True Message.

For example Guru Granth Sahib ji refers to Heaven and Hell. However, same time it says Heaven is where the Sangat is and Hell is separation from Waheguru.

THe concept of Hell in India is a place where there is extreme heat and fire.

The concept of Hell in Nepal is a place where there is extreme coldness and person freezes in pain.

Region to region these concepts meanings alter... who is right?

Gurbaani uses these concepts, imagery, metaphors to explain Sach (truth) to us.

Just like we would use examples from British culture, everyday things we do etc.

God gives life... God takes away life...

Dharam Raaj = according to Indian mythology weighs good and bad

.... so that is what our Conscience does!

Chitar and Gupt = record our good and bad actions according to Indian mythology.

... so that is what our sub-conscious does!

hope that helps to put a perspective on things.

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Do you need to 'believe' in something for it to exist?

The word Izrael and Jamraaj have both been used in the Guru Granth Sahib to describe the Angle of Death.

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Really ? Can you give some quotes please :) ... i never came across it ... this is wicked... :)

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Page 315

Pauree, Fifth Mehl:

They take the noose in their hands, and go out at night to strangle others, but God knows everything, O mortal.

They spy on other men`s women, concealed in their hiding places.

They break into well-protected places, and revel in sweet wine.

But they shall come to regret their actions - they create their own karma.

Azraa-eel, the Angel of Death, shall crush them like sesame seeds in the oil-press. ||27||

Page 953

First Mehl:

Says Nanak, listen, O mind, to the True Teachings.

Opening His ledger, God will call you to account.

Those rebels who have unpaid accounts shall be called out.

Azraa-eel, the Angel of Death, shall be appointed to punish them.

They will find no way to escape coming and going in reincarnation; they are trapped in the narrow path.

Falsehood will come to an end, O Nanak, and Truth will prevail in the end. ||2||

btw sher_panjabi good thoughts :TH:

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Guru Nanak Ji spoke the language of the people.

Guru Granth Sahib ji uses the culture, mythology and practices of people (e.g. hindus and muslims) to explain the True Message.

For example Guru Granth Sahib ji refers to Heaven and Hell.  However, same time it says Heaven is where the Sangat is and Hell is separation from Waheguru.

THe concept of Hell in India is a place where there is extreme heat and fire.

The concept of Hell in Nepal is a place where there is extreme coldness and person freezes in pain.

Region to region these concepts meanings alter... who is right?

Gurbaani uses these concepts, imagery, metaphors to explain Sach (truth) to us.

Just like we would use examples from British culture, everyday things we do etc.

God gives life... God takes away life...

Dharam Raaj = according to Indian mythology weighs good and bad

.... so that is what our Conscience does!

Chitar and Gupt = record our good and bad actions according to Indian mythology.

... so that is what our sub-conscious does!

hope that helps to put a perspective on things.

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I got the impression you dont belive these things literally, i asure you there is hell, where heavy punishments are carried out and dharamrai is not your conscience he really exists, when we die we will be judged by him (except the naam devotees), and chitar gupt also exist in reality and they are recording all our actions!

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I got the impression you dont belive these things literally, i asure you there is hell, where heavy punishments are carried out and dharamrai is not your conscience he really exists, when we die we will be judged by him (except the naam devotees), and chitar gupt also exist in reality and they are recording all our actions!

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Have you seen this dharmrai or this chitar gupt? If not how can you assure me that they exist? :)

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Well you're right i may not be able to asure you! but if you believe the the word of guru granth sahib ji then you would also believe this. Not only has guru ji made it clear of the hereafter, with hell, heaven, dharmrai and other abodes (you have to read meanings of guru granth sahib if you dont believe me) there has been personal witnessing of the afterlife by great gursikhs that i would believe.

Here is an example of bhai rama singh's experience when he was younger and still a hindhu:

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