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WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

I dont have much knowledge about Gurbani so can someone please explain this:

Gurbani tells us idol worshippers will be punished (if i have understood the translation properly)

But what if they dont know anything but idol worship?

Or does this apply to ppl who have read this scripture (SGGS) and continued to worship the idol?

Is there any quote in Siri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, that tells us God will forgive them?

What about thier devotion to what they had thought that they were praying to was God?

Please you quotes from Gurbani if possiable.

salok mehlaa 1.

Shalok, First Mehl:

ghar naaraa-in sabhaa naal.

In your home is the Lord God along with all your other gods

pooj karay rakhai naavaal.

You wash your stone gods and worship them.

kungoo channan ful charhaa-ay.

You offer saffron, sandalwood and flowers.

pairee pai pai bahut manaa-ay.

Falling at their feet, you try so hard to appease them.

maanoo-aa mang mang painHai khaa-ay.

Begging, begging from other people, you get things to wear and eat.

anDhee kammee anDh sajaa-ay.

For your blind deeds, you will be blindly punished.

bhukhi-aa day-ay na mardi-aa rakhai.

Your idol does not feed the hungry, or save the dying.

anDhaa jhagrhaa anDhee sathai. ||1||

The blind assembly argues in blindness. ||1||

Thanks in advance.

WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH.

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yea thats a gud question ...........even the queston about kids who are brought up without knowledge of God or religion e.g when being born into a gora family etc they kids will drink n smoke etc n not know it is so wrong ............... but God will judge them accordingly i suppose.

those who know the truth and still dont mend their ways will probably be punished more.,,.........

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WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

Thanks.

But when hindus praise the Lord through thier sacred texts, that counts as a good deed, and still allows them to reach salvation doesnt it, even if they idol worshipped?

(beause praising the Lord just over throws the fact that they idol worshipped doesnt it?)

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WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

I dont have much knowledge about Gurbani so can someone please explain this:

Gurbani tells us idol worshippers will be punished (if i have understood the translation properly)

But what if they dont know anything but idol worship?

Or does this apply to ppl who have read this scripture (SGGS) and continued to worship the idol?

Is there any quote in Siri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, that tells us God will forgive them?

What about thier devotion to what they had thought that they were praying to was God?

Please you quotes from Gurbani if possiable.

salok mehlaa 1.

Shalok, First Mehl: 

ghar naaraa-in sabhaa naal.

In your home is the Lord God along with all your other gods

pooj karay rakhai naavaal.

You wash your stone gods and worship them. 

kungoo channan ful charhaa-ay.

You offer saffron, sandalwood and flowers. 

pairee pai pai bahut manaa-ay.

Falling at their feet, you try so hard to appease them. 

maanoo-aa mang mang painHai khaa-ay.

Begging, begging from other people, you get things to wear and eat. 

anDhee kammee anDh sajaa-ay.

For your blind deeds, you will be blindly punished. 

bhukhi-aa day-ay na mardi-aa rakhai.

Your idol does not feed the hungry, or save the dying. 

anDhaa jhagrhaa anDhee sathai. ||1||

The blind assembly argues in blindness. ||1|| 

Thanks in advance.

WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH.

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Although I see no merit in worshiping idols, if someone else wishes to do so (not-Sikh) then let them do so.

I think this tukh is trying to get at the ignorance of people.

They lavish expensive things like saffron (more expensive in weight than gold), sandlewood (ver expensive), and flowers (which were expensive in those days), on stone idols. Yet these same people would not rech into their pockets to help the poor and needy. So what is the point of these meaningless acts?

Thats what Guruji is getting at.

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I really don't know too much about these things, but from my perspective that bani (that is the right word, yeah?) explains itself:

anDhee kammee anDh sajaa-ay.

For your blind deeds, you will be blindly punished.

bhukhi-aa day-ay na mardi-aa rakhai.

Your idol does not feed the hungry, or save the dying.

I think that is the punishment referred to. One may beg an idol for food and salvation, but at the end of the day you'll be "blindly" punished by not getting what you're asking for. Why does Akal Purakh personally need to punish someone when they will get their punishment by default?

For example: A man is praying for water at an empty fountain. The fountain next to it is flowing freely but he doesn't see that, and he goes thirsty, and is in pain. Why then does the fountain with flowing water need to get up and smack him on the head?

My personal observation, anyway.

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