Sants

[sall]

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ke Fateh

I have question from the leanred individuals on the forum.

Why is it that some sants don't have "singh" as the last name?

Why is it that they also don't wear sri sahib as a kakkar?

And lastly when you say fateh the don't return the fateh back to you.

However when they do ardaas and so forth these sants mention fateh to SGGS as normal.

This is not about dissing sants and not meant to cause debate , simple answers would be much appreciated.

[Pakandi baba]

Can you give examples veera? I only know of Sant Niranjhan Singh and Sant Anoop Singh and they are humble Khalsas!

[singh_sandhu]

sall Ji, when you say "Sant" which "Sant" are you actually saying? Our Ithihaasik Sants or nowadays?

[N30S1NGH]

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ke Fateh

I have question from the leanred individuals on the forum.

Why is it that some sants don't have "singh" as the last name?

Why is it that they also don't wear sri sahib as a kakkar?

And lastly when you say fateh the don't return the fateh back to you.

However when they do ardaas and so forth these sants mention fateh to SGGS as normal.

This is not about dissing sants and not meant to cause debate , simple answers would be much appreciated.

I am going to give you reasons. But i m NOT going to debate if their ways are right or wrong. who are we decide or judge sants? It's between them and Akaal Purkh.

1. Because many sants do not take amrit in form of sanskar. They do take naam amrit from their gurdev. Like for example many udasi sants do not have singh in their name because they havent taken khanda da amrit in sanskar form. Amrit is Amrit if you study the core of it which is Naam, just because they might take intitation(sanskar) which is different than khanda da amrit does not mean they are invalid or they are less mukht(liberated) or they have less grace etc.

2. Because they have already used 5 kakari rehit to get to akaal purkh, they don't need it anymore.. remember rehat maryada is there to help you to get to akaal purkh but not god itself, they don't make idols of rehat like us, once they are merged with akaal purkh. if they wish they can go mastani avastha

There are three types of natures of sant mahapursh :

source: The Radiance of complete journey to Akaal Purkh by Sant baba Jagjit Singh Ji Harkhowaley.

Three kinds of BhramGyani(Sants,Mahatama, Mahapursh)...

a Mastane: Intoxicated ones through remembrance get themselves merged with Almighty(Vahiguroo). More carefree un-attached will boldly function. Do not reveal their secret. Talk in Mysterious tone. Very few rarely come to understand. Have no time to teach common people. Always remain lost in spiritual contemplation. Some rare persons can take benefit from them.

b. Divane- Madhin lover remain intoxicated in God's love but give out sometime such inner secret that proves a source of life for the seekers, who after having themselves proven worth in their sight are also able to colour others in God's Love.

c. Daane- The wise ones who live according to what they preach and talk in understandable tone which benefits all and hearing which people renounce evil deeds. They always treat the path of truth and are eager for welfare of one and all.

classic picture of Sant Maharaj Raj Yogi 20th century Avtar Sachkhand Vasi 111 Baba Attar Singh Ji Maharaj Mustaneywale without kakar:

Many mahapursh after getting bhramgyan wore kakars just to be cautious that by looking at them(mastani avastha), their sevadars or others may go astray.

3. Reason they might not say fateh back to you is because they may feel you might have not done anything in the life or for the panth which qualifies - sri akaal purkh victory (VahiguroojikakhalsaVahiguroojikifateh ).

[singh_1983]

iv realised one thing in my life as a sikh......and that is that we will never fully understand sants unless we are sants ourselves.....due to the main fact that they are on another level to the rest of us........thers so many things we just assume about sants......most of the time "bad assumptions" ...... and iv realised this happens because we can never comprehend the power and kamaee these souls have!

how can we understand those who have done countless years of naam simran.....without doing it ourselves.

[king singh]

Gyani sant singh ji maskeen :D

[singh_sandhu]

sant jarnail singh khalsa, bhindranwale

[SATORi]

i disagree with the post that stated that you have to become a sant to understand them and know them, wrong, the only way you can know the truth is by opening the connection which will connect you directly with Akal purakh and once you are in the place, you will think again about what you had said :D meditation is your key to the door which holds you steps away into total knowledge.

[Dhan Maharaj Baba Isher Singh Ji]

sant mahapursh are enlightened souls that have become 1 with the supreme lord(waheguru).it is satgur hukham that for 1 to obtain brahemgian one has to do seva of one who is lightened. "bin sadhu jo jeevana thaetho birthari" only a enlightened soul like satpursh sant maharaj baba isher singh sahib jee can teach us and guide us on satgurus path and explain wat satguru granth sahib jee is telling us to do.

one of the living enlightened souls who can guide us is sant baba bhagwan singh jee who along with baba sher singh jee were given 12 years of a special 2 hour time where only sant baba isher singh ji (rara sahib) and these other 2 enlightened souls were allowed to go into sant isher singh jees bhora sahib at rara sahib and ask any question about god.8-10pm was the daily time.no other singh was then allowed into the bhora sahib.baba sher singh was told that he had done sant isher singh jees seva for three lifetimes and sant baba bhagwan singh jee were told that they had done sant maharaj jis seva for 6 lifetimes.

baba sher singh could not live without sant isher singh jee so he sat in a chonkara one year after sant isher singh jee left for his heavenlly abode and baba sher singh also left this world.

sant baba bhagwan singh jee is still with us today so we should take this precious liftime to become 1 like godlike they are.

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[The Khalsa Fauj]

No wonder patitpuna is spreading. No wonder, there is no Gurmat gyan.

No wonder people are going after dehdharis instead of Guru.

Why would a Gurmatgyani do seva of an uneducated dude who doesn't have a clue about Gurmat?

When was the last time a sadh sant 108 brahmgyani did something positive for the Panth??