Kidha - question on lalchand yamlajat

[Guest Bass Singh]

VJKK VJKF

I DIDNT MEAN TO OFFEND NO1!But I put my point across, i did not once cuss a tumbi, I used 2 play with a tumbi when I used to produce music for albums, ANy musical instrument is wicked!!! DNt get me wrong I love music aswell as the next person, but 2days panjabi culture listen 2 bhangra all day long, forget about naam and bani and the importance of it!!!

Bhangra tunes are all about women, drinking, fighting?? This is not what our Gurus Taught us! Dnt get me wrong, there are a few Bhangra tunes with good meanings about Panjab itself.

But now since I have got into sikhi I realise that Panjabi Culture does not benefit your sikhi side. TRUST ME!!

VJKK VJKF!

[Guest Dancing Warrior]

the panjabi culture today is about girls, drinking, geting high on drugs isnt it? ..... it never used 2 be like that tho the culture used 2 be about loving one another respecting each other staying away from social evils etc...

dancing warrior maybe u shuld read bani and jaaap naaam and get rid of that ignorance????

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Haych,

Your right the culture has changed but then so has the religion and that’s also changed for the worse.

Thank you for your antidote to my illness, however you seem in more need of it then me.

My ignorance only believes in “me” I don’t cream of the backs of my forefathers, claiming and distorting as I go along. I don’t need to spend time trying to reach heaven.

thank you anyway

[Guest PRITAM SINGH KHALSA]

Maybe not with the tumbi though just dont bring them to the Gurdwara :

1)We will makesure we don't bring them to your gurdwara :e:

2) BTW, wikipedia is not always the most reliable source for info... :umm:

1) I dont have a Gurdwara. I visit 4-5 Gurdwaras on a regular basis. Buy one and take it to the Gurdwara to play then lionchild : You sound defiant in anyway possible about Sikhi.

2) Duh, I said I already researched and made kinda like a presentation at the Gurudwara last year, So I said I was over the research because I already came up with the most educated conclusion that my mind has the ability for. I said wiki was just one in thousands place to find info about the tumbi. I didnt say wiki said this and its 100% fact

I bet you get any info about Sikhi either from the forums or wiki, cause most the things you say are either an echo of a forum or complete manmat.

[S.S.F]

waheguroo jee ka khalsa waheguroo jee kee fateh

sangat jee from what the little i know chamkeela was killed by Kharkoo Singhs and becaus ehe sang very very dirty song and then said that the Sikh Student Federation pay me to sing these filthy songs

bhul chuk maaf

[_K_]

A Brief BiographyChamkila was born "Dunni Ram" on July 21st 1961 in

Dugri, Ludhiana. Chamkila was from a poor family and lived in great

poverty. He had one brother and two sisters whom were older than him.

His mother, Kartar Kaur, passed away when Chamkila was a young

child, and his older sisters and father used to take care of him.

Chamkila had always wanted to become an electrician but due to family

difficulties he had to leave his education and work in Ludhiana in a

cloth mill. Chamkila had one of his first songs sang by "Narinder

Biba and Surinder Sharma" by the age of 10.

The majority of Chamkila's earlier songs had lyrics to do with

electricity such as shock and connection etc, due to the fact he

wanted to become an electrician.Chamkila was a talented musician from

a young age and used to play the dholki and vaja for pocket money

whilst still at school.

He later played the dholki for singers such as Surinder Shinda,

K.deep, Jagmohan Kaur and M.Siddque.By the age of 15 he had a number

of songs sung by famous Punjabi folk singers, such as Surinder

Shinda, Narinder Biba, Kulie Ram, Bibi Tara and Sohan Lal etc.

The name Chamkila comes from the name Rangila, who used to be a folk

singer that Chamkila admired greatly. Chamkila comes from the

word "Chamak" (shine) as he wanted to shine forever in the world of

music. Chamkila began to play the dholki and vaja for Surinder Shinda

regularly.

It was here that Chamkila began to make his stage career as he would

perform on Shinda's stage during intervals.Chamkila soon went solo

leaving Shinda. When Chamkila left, he took Surinder Sonia, and much

of Shinda's band and stage comedian.

Chamkila and Surinder Sonia released their first record in 1979.

Punjabi Folk fans grew fond of Chamkila's style quickly as he had a

very charismatic personality. In addition to singing his own songs he

continued to write and sell his songs to other artists.

Chamkila left Sonia in 1980 and began singing with Miss Dat Khol

MitraLallu Kare KawallianDhoka Nahin KamaidaLeyja Kitte DoorGabroo

Holan DePehle Lalkare Naal Main Dar GaiHik Uteh Soja VeRab Tanu Munda

DeveJija Lak MinleSas Godeh Thale Lai LayiKal Bhanven Jind Kad

LayeenSharbat Vaangu Ghut BharlaKee Jor Garibaan DaVadhaiyaan Jetha

Usha, which was only a stage arrangement. By late 1980 he heard of a

famous female singer called Amarjyot who sang with Kuldip Manak.. She

soon became his permanent singing partner.At the time of joining with

Amarjyot, Chamkila was married. This partnership with Amarjyot lead

to a break up of his marriage in December of 1982.

Their first LP record together was "Lack Mera Kach Varga" which

included a song written by Pali Dethawalia entitled "Chack Lo

Drivero". People began to become offended by the fact Chamkila was of

the "Chamaar" caste and Amarjyot a "Tharkani".

Due to this Chamkila began to use Singh in his name and became Amar

Singh. Chamkila rarely used his first name after that. It also became

a rarity for him to mention the name of his pind when writing songs.

By 1984 Chamkila and Amarjyot were in high demand and were producing

hit LP after LP with new songs all written by Chamkila. The songs

that Chamkila sang were mainly about relationships which some people

found offensive.

Chamkila began to get hate mail and threats to his life.In the early

80's, Chamkila such countries as, USA, Canada, Dubai and Bahrain.

Accompanying Chamkila on stage would be comedians (Tukuan or Mano)

who would do impressions of Mehal Mittal. His shows lasted about 2-3

hours and every show began with a few religious songs.

Chamkila continued to get more and more hate mail but Chamkila

always said "this is my music this is what I sing if you don't like

it, then don't buy my records and don't call me to your functions".

In HMV's recording history, 3 of Chamkila's LP records are still the

highest selling records that were ever produced by a Punjabi singer.

After receiving more letters from angry fans saying Chamkila you have

many songs containing vulgar and offensive lyrics. Do something good.

Chamkila produced 3 LP records of dharmik geet (religious songs). His

religious songs became number 1 hits. Chamkila however, only wrote a

few religious songs himself.

Most of them he bought from other writers. All profits that came from

the religious songs went direct to the charities and local

gurudwara's. This was done as Chamkila said it was God who gave him

the gift of music and what better way to say thank you to God. By

late 1985 Chamkila stopped singing his more offensive songs. The

public was still unhappy and wanted Chamkila to stop singing

altogether.

Chamkila started to write and sing songs which were of a very serious

nature. Chamkila was killed in a show in "Mesumpur" as he stepped out

of his car. Amarjyot was pregnant at the time and was shot in the

chest and Chamkila was killed with 4 bullets in the chest alongside

Gill Surjit and the dholki player Raja.

The other members such as Tukham escaped. The blame was put on

terrorists. A Curfew order took place when Chamkila was killed and

riots between gangs broke out. Chamkila died on the 8th March 1988.

The reasoning behind his death is not fully known. Many people have

speculated that Chamkila was killed because of jealousy of other

singers. It is said that the others singers grouped together and got

him killed. But then again their were many other popular singers, Why

Chamkila?

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[Lionchild]

Some of u didnt get my sarcasm when spoke of defining sikh extremism. If someone is a sikh extremist that means that they're extreme in their love for waheguru, if someone's a sikh extremist that means they go to extreme measures to protect all of wahegurus children, if one's a sikh extremist he or she will give the ultimate sacrafice for the truth.

Thats a Sikh extremist, i wish i was one.

No, you would be just really devout. The problem comes when people force their beliefs and opinions on somone else. True sikhs never do that anyways, as we don't force people to convert or enter sikhi.

you would not be extremist... just really into sikhi :T:

[Guest PRITAM SINGH KHALSA]

I take Sikhi to the ek-stream and love it :umm:

[Guest Narinder Singh]

Some of u didnt get my sarcasm when spoke of defining sikh extremism. If someone is a sikh extremist that means that they're extreme in their love for waheguru, if someone's a sikh extremist that means they go to extreme measures to protect all of wahegurus children, if one's a sikh extremist he or she will give the ultimate sacrafice for the truth.

Thats a Sikh extremist, i wish i was one.

No, you would be just really devout. The problem comes when people force their beliefs and opinions on somone else. True sikhs never do that anyways, as we don't force people to convert or enter sikhi.

you would not be extremist... just really into sikhi :T:

Where in Sikhi or Sahib Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji does it say to force ur beliefs on others? It does so in the Koran in the Bible, so yes if i was a Muslim or Christian extremist, u would have to worry about me forcing my beliefs on others, not if im a sikh extremist.

When has any Sikh through out history told someone to convert by putting a gun to their face??

We need more Sikh extremists today who are ready to give the ultimate sacrafice for the truth.

You make no sense sometimes Lionchild, and this was one those times.

[Guest PRITAM SINGH KHALSA]

GurSikh = Sikh extremist

Nowdays if you follow the rules you are an extremist, and GurSikhs follow the rules. We "encourage" people to follow the rules, doesnt mean we are "forcing" anything.

lionchild= { hehehehehe :umm: }

[Sohan_Su]

fanx 4 da reply but yooooo kinda gon off track inni looool nah nva heard of chamkila ill ask ma baba if he remembas da guy but he more in2 da yamlajat stuff nah i heard dat guy got shot by singhs cuz he sang sum dutty songs n i was like wha? i thought dat guy was all gud n dat but ey a big up2 sangat 4 answerin ma q real appreciate peace