Bibia And Singhs-relationships

[Tarrandeep Kaur]

Sangat Jee

There has been quite a few posts regarding this issue, i do not want to make this into a long thread, so it would be better if no-one replies, as we are wasting time if we are to keep debating about this issue, when we could be using our time more wisely. However, i would like to bring to your attention, this article which was written by a gursikh. Please take time to read it and taken on aboard the advice that has been given.

Thank You

Vahiguru ji ka khalsa

Vahiguru ji ki fateh

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Waheguroo ji ka khalsa, waheguroo ji ki fathe

Piyari sangat jio, daas has a little request to my maan (mind) and to your feet. Recently daas sent a message around saying that singhs and singhnia can talk but only about Sikhi and it does not matter if it’s for hours. Sadly I was very wrong; I ask forgiveness from the sangat.

Singhs and Singhnia should have no contact with each other, but putting this in mind one should see each other as brother and sisters. We should only say the Gurus Fathe to each other and that is about it, there should not be any other questions. Asking questions after the Fathe i.e. how are you doing? What you been up to? Then it will only lead to a conversation, which we should not get in to.

If the Singhni or Singh has a problem then it will be best to go to the same gender as them. If we need to tell the other person about a program, then ask their sister to tell them or send a quick email across to the sangat.

Daas doesn’t want to use examples but I think we won’t learn until we realise what our mistake is. Daas had a situation where some bibia got together and there was a Singh coming from a far distance to chill out with the bibia, sorry to say but this is totally MANMAT. If we do that then we are just falling in to the trap of kaam, it does not mater how old that Singh is or who he is. We also go on msn talking to the opposite gender as if it was ok. It is not ok! we need change this; it will only cause our Kaam to strike us.

If moni bibi wants to learn about sikhi then give them websites to look at, get them to come forums give them your sister’s number. There is no need for a Singh to talk to a bibia even if it is on sikhi, because Gursikhs souls are very attractive. Even if we don’t have any feelings or intentions for the other gender, there soul will get attracted to yours; they then have a feeling but don’t know what it is so they will just assume it’s the kaami feeling. The same as we are attracted to the elder gurikhs when we see them at rensbhais.

Bhai Anokh Singh Babbar NEVER looked at a bibi in to her eyes when talking to one; he would answer the question then walk away. These days we eye each other up at keertan programs in front of our Guru Granth Sahib ji. Singhs at those times would walk in the streets and when a bibi comes to sight they would put there heads down, these days we see a bibi from a distance we start to run towards her.

A bibi who is still around and in Birmingham was adopted by Bhai Randheer Singh, she told the gursikhs that her brother had to ask permission from Bhai Randheer Singh if she could come along with her brother to the markets. Waheguroo

These days we phone other Gurikhs daughters and ask then direct if they want to go to the Birmingham town centre with them.

It has gone really bad and this the time of Kaljug, people have started to look for there wife and husband to be. Kaljug is standing on one leg and things will get worse and only the true Naam Abhiyaasis will be able to rise the rest will only fall in to the trap.

Look we find it ok to go out with the opposite gender so when we have kids we will think its ok for our kids to go out with a male or female, later on when our kids have there own family it will be ok for there children to go out with there boyfriends and girlfriends. That’s how bad it will get and to some extent it has already reached that stage. Oh Waheguroo protect us, we are only kids we will fall in to the 5 chors traps, and we need your arm to get out of these traps that we fall in to.

Daas begs the sangat and his mind to stop this manmat thinking, so that we can become more like the chardikala puraatan Gursikhs.

Daas knows he has made mistakes, please daas asks forgiveness from the sangat Daas will carry on to make mistakes so please tell me if I ever go wrong. As Sikhs we have a lot to learn we can get there together.

Waheguroo ji ka khalsa, waheguroo ji ki fathe!

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[Fauja]

Vaheguru Vaheguru Vaheguru Vaheguru Vaheguru Vaheguru Vaheguru

I STRONNNGGLLY DISAGREE WITH YOU!

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sorry to say but i do too.. i completely disagreee..

[Guest s133k_s1kh]

FATEH!!

I already read this post on discoversikhi.com..its by Pwalla.

maha_moorakh why are you so hell bent to prove your point ??? You think people will change just because you are asking them to change ?? If you are not strong enough to control your urges then it is you who should be looking for means to curb those thoughts.

I ask everyone here a simple question

Do you talk to your sisters ??? the same applies when you talk to other Bibian..you have to give them the same respect as your sisters..SIMPLE !!

If you can't do that, its you who's mind is corrupted. whats the diffrence b/w you and the extremist muslim countries then ??

I would also like to say, amritdhari people who get these thoughts "talkin to opposite sex arouses kaam" are worse then non-amritdharis. People say amrit is the first step to find god...I would say its the first and the final step to submit oneself to god..and from that very point there is no looking back.

If these filthy thoughts come to your mind, then i don't think you have given your head to the guru. you are still lost in karamkand...shame on you .

a very simple explanation to these thoughts of yours is -- YOU DO WHAT YOU SEE. If you see guru around you all the time, how can this garbage fill you mind ??

I know the very reason why Pwalla wrote all that...In the 'Boys talking to Girls' thread (Gupt section) someone had posted something about a singh kissing a singhni in gurudwara premises.

Do you think this incident happened because they talked ??? NO

It happened because they don't know the true meaning of being a KHALSA...

The very thought of the above incident makes me SICK..and these people call themselves AMRITDHARI GURSIKHS...They are DISGRACE to the KHALSA PANTH :D .

I totally agree with your stand on people gossiping instead of listening to kirtan during reansabahis. THAT IS WRONG.

But saying that talkin would arouse KAAM is downright absurd.

If the poster thinks talking to opposite sex arouses KAAM, then he/she shouldn't talk.

and trying to prove your point without any basis is EGO, you need to work on that too. How would you do that ??

You have said this is a post by a GURSIKH ...Do you even know what being a GURSIKH means ???

anyways, your post disgusts me. you had written that it would be better if no one replies to this post. But that post needed a befitting reply. I dont mean to offend no one.

Bhul Chuk Maaf Karni

GURU SAHAII !!!

[Pamma Khalsa]

nice article..

[Guest s133k_s1kh]

and I Strongly agree with you

nice article..

Very nice indeed ..Do they have Nobel prize for Spiritual Enlightenment?..The author deserves that :D

ps: Pamma Khalsa bai..why did you edit your post ??? what happened to you being in strong agreement with the article ???

[Pamma Khalsa]

haha nothing happened to it bro..

it's just better to stay out :D

[Guest s133k_s1kh]

haha nothing happened to it bro..

it's just better to stay out :D

Bai ji, A SIKH would fight for the TRUTH rather then stay out. I would love to get your views too :TH:

[gurupanth]

Maha moorakh, I like how you try to keep your posts as a reflection of your name - keep up the good work! :TH:

[kaur_khalistani_lioness]

well said s133k_s1kh

people Guru sahib lifted us from those thoughts and made us stronger than that. we have the freedom to talk to anyone. if you dont see other person as KHALSA=saint and soldier and divide ourselves between male and female and see each other differenly wont get us anywhre. ryse above that and learn from everyone you meet.

this is a sakhi which some of us forget about and go back to our MINDS DIRTY thoughts. stop judging each other (i am doing the same here aren;t i )

sakhi...the wordings could've been better but itz got it off of sikhiwiki:

"When the Raja of Haripur came to see the Guru. Guru Amar Das insisted that he first partake a common meal from the community kitchen, called langar, irrespective of his caste. The Raja obliged and had an audience with the Guru. But one of his queens refused to lift the veil from her face, so Guru Amar Das refused to meet her.Guru Amar Das not only preached the equality of people irrespective of their caste but he also tried to foster the idea of women's equality. He tried to liberate women from the practices of purdah (wearing a veil) as well as preaching strongly against the practice of sati (Hindu wife burning on her husband's funeral pyre). Guru Amar Das also disapproved of a widow remaining unmarried for the rest of her life."

if i go about your way of not talkin to sangat be it singh or Kaur...i would not be able to learn and be the person i am today. we need to get ride of the Muaglz wayof thought and adopt sikhi. be a good example, know who you are, and if someone tryz to mess with u, or u know is going off track while u chatin with um...jus be aware of it and help the other soul realize it too. we dont have to be offesive or anything, because we all are learning no ones perfect. chatin is a way for me to communicate my thoughtsand to have sangat of people who live far away from me (we dont hve the ridhi sidhiz rightnow that the people in past, spritual beings of past, had..u know where they would talk to each other with their thoughts only(not verble talk)...Telepathy is the term. lol

i see internet or other things as...devices God gave us in Kaljug cuz he knw that people of this age would be WEAK to use their mindz power =Telepathy!(this is a joke ok..lol) but i love thinking about it this way.

bhul chuk muaf karni...